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| TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 5/8/2004 1:09:41 AM | Okay this has to be done. I'm sure there are many of you out there who listen to one of the greatest radio hosts of our time. For those of you who don't know, Tom Leykis is a very experienced man in the ways of women and how to get what you want for as little effort/money as possible. Every thursday he has what is called "Leykis 101" where he preaches his gospel unto those of us who are/were unfortunate enough to be raised without spines. I will throw out a few of his lessons here but I know I won't cover them all. I highly recommend you adhere to these rules when seeking tail.
SOME OF YOU MAY HATE ME AFTER READING THIS BUT HEY, I STILL LIKE YOU ALL :)
Being honest comes with a price.
- Never spend more than $40 on dinner for a chick. If after you sit down and get ready to order and notice that she goes right to the most expensive item on them menu, excuse yourself to "go to the restroom", politely get up and leave the restaurant. This is innexcusable behavior on her part.
- ALWAYS WEAR A CONDOM. Too many people have kids at a young age and as a result regret it later. Tom goes into this in detail. Wait untill your married and can afford to have kids.
- If, while eating dinner with a chick she gets a call on her cell phone and answers it - LEAVE. 9 times out of 10 this is the guy that she is going to bang after you get done paying for her dinner. Again, this is very rude and disrespectful. She should have her cell phone off.
- If you are under the age of 25 you should not be married because you should have enough experience in the dating world to know what you want before you make the big decision. This leads to fewer divorces and less stress.
- On the topic of divorces, always get a prenuptual agreement. In the event of a divorce, there are many times when the providing man will get screwed out of a large chunk of his income so the woman can "make him hurt". Prenuptual agreements should be done if not for the simple fact that it shows neither party has anything to financially gain or lose by marraige.
There are many more general rules to list, but I'm getting tired and don't want to start making them up accidently. If I have misprepresented any of the rules above, please post an ammendment pointing it out. I hope that this thread will thrive someday and every male on this site eventually learns something from it or adds something too it.
Oh yea..... If anybody has the time/words/balls to describe the Hail Mary..... Go for it... I'm not quite sure I'll post that one yet. | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 5/8/2004 4:15:09 PM | | THE ONLY HAIL MARY I KNOW ABOUT IS A FOOTBALL TERM. OTHER THAN THAT I HAVE NO IDEA. | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 5/10/2004 12:20:05 AM | | Untill I know that there are other Lykis listeners on this site I'm not going to bother describing the Hail Mary...... At least not in the forums. | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 5/10/2004 12:55:40 PM | Ghengis Cohen? Is that a Kosher Chinese place or something?
- Jordan | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 5/10/2004 10:41:51 PM | | I didn't start this thread to prove whether or not Tom Leykis does or does not live what he preaches. Regardless of this fact, his techniques do work. So what if he does get hot chicks with money? I've gotten results simply by employing a few of his tricks. For the rest of this thread, let's please leave out any written attacks against any person. | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 9/28/2005 1:46:19 AM | Uncle Tom is the man. I have learned quite a deal from listening to him over the past 6 years on 100.7 FM The Buzz in Seattle. I have him on every weekday as soon as he comes on at 3:00PM until the show is over at 7:00PM.
Anybody who doesn't listen to him SHOULD. Hell, even check out his website at http://www.blowmeuptom.com/ and see some of what he has to offer. | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/17/2006 3:23:22 PM | | While some of it, such as wearing a condom is just common sense, much of that suggests an attitude that will guarantee you a very long and lonely life. | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/17/2006 6:27:38 PM | | about answering the cell phone....So if you have an elderly parent who calls you during a date because they can't breathe and have to go the hospital you ASSUME it is a another man....sounds like any man who would listen to this fellow has low self esteen./ | |
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| TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/17/2006 6:57:12 PM | I know what the Hail Mary is and NO, I don't think it's a good idea to recite it on here. Any potential Leikys listeners wil tune him out and your thread will probably get deleted.  Keep in mind the Professor's rules are not just for men. | |
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| TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/17/2006 7:27:19 PM | Hail Mary for the win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love leykis, he rocks, I listen every day. | |
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| TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/17/2006 7:30:13 PM | | Used too listen while at work but they stopped his broadcast here, funny man he is made some sense but I listened mostly cause of the humour | |
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Joined: 4/10/2006
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/17/2006 7:59:40 PM | | Class act: Regarding the cellphone - It should at least be on silent in a restaurant. If someone calls, drop it. If they call back immediately, drop it again. It's only cool on the third time (if it's the same caller and they call back within 60 seconds) because obviously something's wrong. But beyond that, not cool to answer the phone on a date. | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/18/2006 9:40:33 AM | I agree with OntarioWoman.
This shows such immaturity.
It is so sad that you have to resort to listening to a "mini celebrity"
to learn how to live your life in relation to dating........... so stupid! | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/18/2006 10:18:04 AM | I'd never heard of the guy before this thread. I checked it out and he's kinda funny. The really offensive part are the pigs that post on his site. My God, what a bunch of neanderthals.
That being said, ladies, don't rip these guys because they like Tom. There must be dozens of magazines, TV shows, etc........all devoted to helping women find a good man and spot the bad ones. Don't begrudge the guys their few outlets for that type of advice. Outside of a few men's mags(which are really just glorified skin mags w/out the total nudity), men don't have a whole lot of options for getting advice on this subject. Few men would have any interest in resources created by women on the subject, or even worse, some emasculated, sensitive girlie man who tells them to do and say exactly what women want. So naturally, when somebody provides them with a site created by a man who thinks like they do, they'll listen.
It's not for everybody. If you don't like it ladies, don't listen. But don't be hypocrites......if you've ever taken advice from a Cosmo article or watched Oprah and Dr. Phil or even gotten advice from a girlfriend...you're guilty of the same thing huggablehottie accused the guys of....taking dating advice from someone else.
And before you all jump on me and call me immature and predict i'll be alone.....i've been married 12 years(happily so) and i showed my wife Tom's site and she thought it was hilarious. Her comment was........"some wicked **** must've really done a number on this guy for him to start a show like that". | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/18/2006 10:35:01 AM | Taking advice from someone who is educated in a certain field
is far different from listening to random advice from a guy who
sounds like he dislikes women in general, and is just doing it for
ratings.
Anyone with a big mouth, can do that, come on! 
Why not just ask women what we like or don't like in a man?
Yes, it really takes a big person to make up a lie that they need to use
the restroom, so they can bail out on someone, really cool, eh? (sarcastic) | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/18/2006 1:21:29 PM | "Why not just ask women what we like or don't like in a man?"
Now that's funny.....if these guys believed what women said to them they wouldn't be looking for other advice or listening to Tom.
And the advice isn't random......it's pretty specific to certain situations.
Found an article by Marc Rudov, author of The Man's No-nonsense Guide to Women. He wrote an article about Tom.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/09/11/why-women-hate-tom-leykis/
Read it if you wish......but a couple of quotes I want to note here:
"women, who comprise 35% of Tom’s audience, repeatedly subject themselves to the tenets of “Leykis 101,” such as avoid marriage, never cohabit, spend no more than $40 on a date ($0 is optimal), dump any woman who won’t “put out” by the third encounter, and, in general, treat women like crap—because, allegedly, that’s what they want.
Last week, a 23-year-old woman called the show, screaming at Tom, accusing him of ruining her boyfriend. “What do you mean?” Tom asked. “Ever since he started listening to your show, he’s stopped being sweet and romantic, and it’s all your fault,” was her riposte. “Really? How’s the sex?” Tom queried. Said she: “Oh, the sex is still good.” Incredulous, Tom wondered, as we all did, how on earth sex could be good with a rogue. Not only was her answer illogical, because she wanted to keep Mr. Rogue, she ranted on and on for 15 minutes! Tom gleefully exclaimed that this young babe had proven his point."
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"Leykis articulates frequently that his demographic is the first generation of males predominantly raised by women, either because their divorced fathers were not around enough, or because their mothers never married. The result: wimpy boys who became subservient men. Leykis bills himself as “the dad you never had,” and there is a lot of merit to this. These young men are literally clueless about being men. Many of them are in their early 20s, already fathers, and paying child support and alimony,"
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"Tom’s “sons” have come out of school, and out of their homes, hearing nonstop messages that girls are great and boys are shit. They see girls all around them manipulating double standards. They see their bank accounts depleted from useless expenditures on wining & dining and jewelry. They see how men are ridiculed and marginalized on TV. They see their divorced fathers living in squalor. They feel totally emasculated, letting their girlfriends call the shots.
So, Leykis teaches these guys to take back their lives, to reverse the situation, by showing women just as much disrespect as women exhibit to men. And, women hate seeing their own hostility coming back to haunt them. They have never been sensitized to how much society beats men down. Now, they know how it feels. This is the power Tom Leykis has given to young men. This is The Tom Leykis Show."
I don't necessarliy agree with alot of what he says but there are some valid points about the emasculization of the American male. | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/18/2006 2:46:11 PM | | YA i have listen to his show, my opinion he is a total a## , i would never disrespect women or men like the way he saids you should do , ya i will never have as much money as him ,will never be known all over the country ,and if its takes putting others down as he does to get rich and famous than i dont want it ,i will just stay my old fashion self who believes two wrongs dont make a right ,(as he does) and i will always have respect for the people i know and dont know (which he does not ) jmho | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/18/2006 3:49:59 PM | It's nice to know that there are still plenty of people who understand the importance of mutual respect and doing what is right ^^^^^ | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/19/2006 12:36:54 AM |
sounds like any man who would listen to this fellow has low self esteen
Exactly!!!!!!! That's _exactly_ who he's trying to reach. EXACTLY!!!
Low self esteem is a vicious cycle for a male. A guy gets the idea that he's a loser, and sure enough, people start to pile on. I remember when I was younger and desperately wanted female attention. The more I wanted it the less I got. It made me crazy!
Time passed. Things happened. I finally realized that I was worth something to myself whether I ever got laid or not. I stopped caring about whether or not women liked me or loved me or found me attractive, and realized that I really could live without sex. In fact, during the time I was abstinent I realized that in many ways my life was _better._ For one thing, I realized I didn't have to beg, lie, manipulate, or pay. I didn't have to _do_ anything!
That was the key realization and Leykis 101 boiled down into a single sentence:
Guys, you don't have to _do_ anything. Not a thing.
In fact, the less you do, the easier it gets. It's not about being a jerk, or being mean, or putting on an act. It's about walking around with the knowledge that you're worth something to yourself, even if you don't yet know exactly what. It's about knowing you're worth something to yourself whether any female happens to agree with you at the moment or not.
If Leykis can get the point across, that the quickest way to get quality female attention is to act like you deserve it--whether you believe you do or not--that's all to the good. Now, it's too bad that the good part of the messages is so contaminated with misogynist nonsense. However, the essence of it still comes through--though you have to listen _very_ carefully to hear it. The low-self-esteem boys who really need help _do_ listen carefully. Why? Because they're desperate and the females in their lives are either unwilling or unable to help them see their worth.
What's useful in Leykis 101 is when he tells guys is how to act as if they were worth something. Now that I know I am, I won't spend too much on a date. In fact, I can't remember the last time I didn't split the bill with a date. (Older women are good that way--in fact, they tend to get insulted if you try to pay for it all.) I also won't go past 3 or 4 dates w/out some indication of affection or attraction. Of course, I don't mind having women as friends, so if the friendship thing is working well we might keep going out when it's clear there won't be any sex. Sometimes women get mad at me when I put them in the friend category! However, friendship with women is a beautiful thing. It's a whole other wavelength than a sexual relationship, but I find it to be every bit as satisfying in its way.
So, I might well go out with a female friend for a meal or a movie or whatever. But if I do, I know what the deal is. And, I can afford to spend my time that way because I don't care all that much if I "get laid" or not. But then, I'm not 20 any more. Also, I don't need to "score" to feel like I'm worth something to myself! But I remember when I did feel that need and how hard it was to live like that. How I wished back then that _somebody_ would explain the rules to me. At least Leykis provides clueless guys with _some_ guidance.
Tom's rules aren't perfect. He's a bitter man. But they beat getting taken by females who don't know any better, either for drinks or a lifetime of child support. And horny boys who are feeling starved are both incredibly naive and crazy stupid. Don't ask me how I know that! LOL
The way things are right now I can go into any room and strike up a conversation with any woman there. If a woman isn't single and doesn't already have her eye on someone specific, I have a good shot at getting a number, taking her for a walk, getting some cuddling and kissing in that same night, and otherwise really enjoying her company. I don't go for sex on the first date. Women my age who do frankly scare me. But you can have an awful lot of fun without shedding any clothes and there is an awful lot to appreciate in any woman who knows she's worth something to herself. That's very different than a female who thinks she's hot and therefore entitled to whatever she can get. _very_ different.
Why can I pull that off? Because I'm not desperate. I don't need anything from her. I'm free to really appreciate her as she is, and women just love that! You wouldn't believe how rare it is. Guys who aren't feeling as grateful as they can for the beauty and excitement and incredible intimacy that women offer are really missing the boat if you ask me--especially guys my age.
If you want quality attention from good-hearted women, show good-hearted women some quality attention with no strings attached! The trick is, you can't lie about that. If you're doing it to increase your chances of getting a date or getting laid or getting _anything,_ it won't work. It has to be a gift. You have to do it because you just feel like doing it. Don't spend money. Don't try to make an impression. Don't do _anything._ Just give your gift and move on. When you do that, a woman who's got any sense at all will go out of her way to thank you. And when she does, that's the start of a very nice conversation. And if she doesn't get it, move on. Actually, don't even bother waiting to see if she gets it. Just move on. It was a gift, remember?
Compliments are not only free, they relieve _you_ of the frustration of wanting to say something and not doing so. When I compliment a woman, I do it so that I'll feel like I've said my piece and can move on. Otherwise, thoughts of her will continue to prey on my mind and who needs that kind of fruitless distraction? No. Say it and move on. It works.
If you look at what the bad boys do, that's exactly what they do. They let a female know they like what they see. Then they move on. If the female shows some interest, they do it again. Pretty soon a female will be following them around from sheer momentum. So be a leader. Stick, move, and check to see who's following you!
The route I took to get to a place of self worth was hard and painful and I'm not sure I'd recommend it. For most guys, getting their sexual ya-yas out brings them to a point where they can begin to appreciate women as people--provided that they don't get trapped in the various ways that boys can get trapped. However, females who think they're going to be able to be intimate with desperate boys are kidding themselves. Boys who are crazy-horny aren't in a place to be able to do that yet. That's why young men should not consider marriage before they're 25.
So, short-term Leykis stinks. However, when the crazy-horny-miserable boys act as if they're worth something for long enough for it to become a habit, and women respond to that act, eventually they'll figure out that they really are worth something and they'll approach the thing with some real dignity. That will be a very good day for them and for the women they encounter from then on.
Well, I've sure gone on about this!
All the best,
Robert | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/19/2006 12:41:17 AM |
If a woman isn't single and doesn't already have her eye on someone specific, I have a good shot at getting a number
That should read, "if a woman _is_ single ..."
Sorry about that!
Robert | |
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| Re: TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 10/19/2006 9:32:05 AM | I sorta laugh at the responses here. This board above almost any others I've read is filled with pointless pandering to women, as if saying what they want to hear on a message board will get a guy laid. Seriously, all you guys that do this; I could point it out in EVERY thread here. Look down, and see those two little balls you got down there, you know, below your little pedro. Those are your testicles, use them.
I also think the women are making too big a point of Leykis. His basic philosophy applies to women just as much as men, especially on marriage. If you wonder why the divorce rate is so high in this country, go ask the two 17 year old newlyweds that have no idea what the world is like. The reality is, you don't have to take all of what Tom says and follow it to the letter, that would be like being a far left or far right in political terms. Instead, apply the things that make the most sense to you.
Example - You're 20 years old, should you really spend over $40 on a date with a woman? HELL NO. Take them to the beach, park, or somewhere you don't gotta spend a dime and maybe you'll get to know them better. Actually, a bonus is you'll probably find out just what kind of woman they are by doing this.
Example - You're 21, been with the same woman for 3 years, of course she's expecting marriage, DONT DO IT, as hard as it is, break up with this girl and spare her and yourself from the lifetime of misery that will ensue.
Some of his advice is good advice. Some of it is pretty ethically and morally reprehensible. Pick and choose what you like and go from there. | |
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Rhett1
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Joined: 10/16/2005
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| TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 5/17/2007 12:37:38 AM | Now, I realize that what the OP posted is a small part of what Leykis puts out there, but I can't say as I really disagree totally with these rules.
Never spend more than $40 on dinner for a chick. If after you sit down and get ready to order and notice that she goes right to the most expensive item on them menu, excuse yourself to "go to the restroom", politely get up and leave the restaurant. This is innexcusable behavior on her part. I would never go to dinner where someone else was paying and even consider ordering an expensive item, it's rude.
ALWAYS WEAR A CONDOM. Too many people have kids at a young age and as a result regret it later. Tom goes into this in detail. Wait untill your married and can afford to have kids. This is bad advice? If more people did this, there would be less angry, bitter, single parents and less kids bearing the stress of mom and dad fighting.
If, while eating dinner with a chick she gets a call on her cell phone and answers it - LEAVE. 9 times out of 10 this is the guy that she is going to bang after you get done paying for her dinner. Again, this is very rude and disrespectful. She should have her cell phone off. Cut people a little slack here...I would say if she carries on a long conversation, yes, but it could be work (I carry a pager for work sometimes), or an emergency. This one is a little too controlling.
If you are under the age of 25 you should not be married because you should have enough experience in the dating world to know what you want before you make the big decision. This leads to fewer divorces and less stress. Not horrible advice.
On the topic of divorces, always get a prenuptual agreement. In the event of a divorce, there are many times when the providing man will get screwed out of a large chunk of his income so the woman can "make him hurt". Prenuptual agreements should be done if not for the simple fact that it shows neither party has anything to financially gain or lose by marraige. I totally agree with this. By the way, women can lose out on this one, too. It's not just men who can be screwed over. I think that even if you just live together, you should have something set in stone about money and belongings.
I know that Leykis does NOT come across as being women's best friend, but some of his points are valid. I'm going to look up the Hail Mary now...should I be scared? | |
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Rhett1
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Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 25 | |
| TOM LEYKIS 101
Posted: 5/17/2007 12:45:19 AM | Okay, I read it. The only thing about it that I found offensive was the whole "dump her" part. It takes two to make a baby.
I also read more of his tenets...some, very wise advice, others? Obnoxious crap.
If a woman says "no", pick up your clothes and walk out?
Nice. Hardly a "manly" thing to do.
I can't help but think that he is simply going for shock value with some of his tenets and padding them with some actual good advice. | |
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