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Posted: 2/14/2007 1:53:22 PM | Could you live with an enviornmentalist or would you find it a total nightmare having to -
Recycle all waste
Switch off anything not being used
Cook real food (no processed foods)
Buy organic foods, cosmetics etc....
Go vegan or veggie
Walk or cycle rather than take the car on short trips
Avoid flying
Go on campaign marches/offer support to campaigns
Bycott products
What do you think? would you find this difficult? Can a greeny live with a non greeny? Whats your views? | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 1:58:42 PM | I wouldn't "have" to do most of the things on that list
I think you can live with a "greeny" if you try to make it work
COULD not WOULD not stop eating meat....no way no how
and I am not gonna buy organic make-up either :P | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 2:02:57 PM | | I could live with a couple of those, Recycle all waste?... do alot of it now. Walk or cycle rather than take the car on short trips? .. If its not pouring down rain! Bycott products?... depends on the product and why. As for living with someone who wanted all to be adhered to... no I dont think I could, but respect they have a chioce too. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 2:04:33 PM | Yes a greeny can live with a non greeny however there would have to be mutual respect on each ones part.
After all I am quite sure that there would be some very strong feelings on each part that would take educating the other on.
For example hunting.
And inconsistencies as well as hypocritical behavior would most likely be pointed out post haste by each party.
As far as not eating red meat. Then I suggest then you not look while I am eating. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 2:07:15 PM | ^^^^ thats right
don't look while I'm eating my steak
hehe
I like chicken too...... thats ok right? | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 2:46:51 PM | i could probably do the following without much trouble..
Recycle all waste (actually, reduce, compost, and reuse most of it.. recycle what's left)
Switch off anything not being used (already do)
Cook real food (no processed foods) - i'd love to if i had the time
Buy organic foods, cosmetics etc.... (i'd love to if i had the money)
Go vegan or veggie (no, but i could drastically reduce meat consumption)
Walk or cycle rather than take the car on short trips (already do)
Avoid flying (i don't usually travel)
Bycott products (already do, but might have trouble with some products)
i don't think i could go on demonstrations, and i definitely could not be a vegan. flying i don't have that much of a problem with, it's occasionally the most practical way for me to get from point A to B. considering i fly less than once a year, i don't consider myself to be a major contributor of flying-related pollution. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 2:53:46 PM | Environmentalism is more than a series of actions of greater and lesser degrees of inconvenience. The -ism at the end is a clue. It falls in line with Communism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Capitalism and other major ideologies, many of which are mutually exclusive after a certain level of adherence.
An environmentalist will always have challenges with an apocalyptic Christian, for example, as the environmentalist will believe in saving the earth, and the apocalyptic will be looking forward to its near term destruction. These diametrically opposed values are difficult to overcome.
Further, a list of actions such as the one above is only an indicator of the degree of extremism the environmentalist has. Some Earth Firsters will disdain those rules as being utterly cosmetic beside direct action against polluters.
A better phrasing of the question might be, "What value systems are sufficiently complementary that an environmentalist might reasonably expect to be able to live with the holder of them?" And another angle would be, "How will the extremity or mildness of their views affect this?"
It would be pretty easy, for example, for an environmentalist of the extremity indicated by the actions above to live with many Buddhists. An Earth Firster would have problems maintaining a relationship with anyone except another Earth Firster.
Cheers,
Mike (I've been many shades of green, and not always while sea sick) | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 3:11:24 PM | Could you live with an enviornmentalist or would you find it a total nightmare having to -
Recycle all waste I could try - after all, I remember to recycle my pop cans
Switch off anything not being used If I was reminded. Sometimes I forget
Cook real food (no processed foods) No fast food.. that could work
Buy organic foods, cosmetics etc....Um.. no
Go vegan or veggie No freaken way am I giving up my meat!!!
Walk or cycle rather than take the car on short trips thats do-able
Avoid flying Not bloody likely!! I like my vacations!!
Go on campaign marches/offer support to campaigns Thats not really my style
Bycott products I think boycotts are silly
What do you think? would you find this difficult? Can a greeny live with a non greeny? Whats your views? .
Im not sure! There would be alot of things for both of us to overcome. But if both people really wanted to make things work, then Im sure that it wouldnt be a problem. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 3:14:41 PM | | as long as they dont try to change me i wont try to change them...so as long as the basic rules of respect are honoured, i can get along with anybody. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 3:19:38 PM | | Some cities separate & recycle their trash after pick up. Here in CA, anyway. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 3:28:17 PM | Oh, if I have to give up flying, then I'm in sorry shape. I'm a travel buff and I enjoy seeing the world. I think each and every one of us can do our share, perhaps we don't have to do everything on this list. You can start in your own home. Do you have "stuff" that's in the closets, toys, and other items that haven't been worn, used, or played with in the last 6 months? If you haven't used those items, GET RID OF THEM. Donate them to the charities. I think we need to be aware of what resources we do use and also we need to simplify our lives.
If the toilet is running, a faucet is leaking, fix it. I use organic fertilizer for my lawn, shrubs, and gardens. It's made a huge difference, I have tons of earth worms which help bring air into these compacted Texas soils. Also, the organic fertilizers are safe, just in case my kitties nibble at the grass. I love veggies, but I do enjoy a good steak or a chicken fajita salad. Organic foods, much more costly and I'm not so sure much beneficial. IMO, just darn near every food in the USA is processed to meet the different government standards. I enjoy Costa Rican coffee from Cafe Britt which is far different than the Costa Rican coffee you buy in USA. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 3:29:09 PM | Like any relationship, it would depend if the extremist environmentalist could compromise somewhat with a moderate environmentalist.
I can handle most of the things on that list but cycling and walking in snow isn't much fun and no flying would make you very insular....there's a big world out there and I don't want to miss a thing. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 3:36:53 PM | Most of those things on the lists are just a bunch of feel good fluff.
Why don't the people that want to do that silly stuff, just do it, and leave the people that don't want to do it alone?
Just how much of the money that Gore is makeing from his book and his speaking engagements are going towards "global warming." Some more silly crap... as the people in NY are finding out.
When I first moved here, if you wanted to recycle, you just put anything you didn't want on the curb, and people with trucks, would drive by and pick up the recycle stuff that they could make a profit on... Then the government decided that "we all" should recycle and that "only" the trash company could pick it up... Supposedly to reduce the refuse cost. Fat chance of that!!
Trash bills went up, because the refuse company couldn't make a profit on it. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 3:40:15 PM | I do everything on that list already, with the exception of being vegan/vegetarian.
I live with a vegan though (no, not my significant other)....it IS difficult to live with, although we get along perfectly fine in EVERY other aspect. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 4:08:05 PM | Sure it can be done, as long as the greeny doesn't impress his/her way of life on the other, and vice versa. Otherwise, nope. Personally, never. I'm more of a 16-oz steak, aerosol spray using, drive to the end of the driveway to get the mail, f*ck-the-spotted-owl, burn the rainforest kind of guy. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 4:20:16 PM | I have a good idea....How about we all just do Fvck all and destroy our planet?....
I mean really.....it all sounds like way to much work.....
Shit then my children, as well as yours....can live a frikken polluted wasteland created by our ignorance......but hey, who cares?, someone else will fix it.....
Right?....
It's like they say...Ignorance is bliss....the only problem with this is, we do not get a second chance to get it right.......
Wake the fvck up people.......
It starts with you. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 4:34:06 PM |
How about we all just do Fvck all and destroy our planet?....
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Shit then my children, as well as yours....can live a frikken polluted wasteland created by our ignorance......but hey, who cares?, someone else will fix it.....
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Wake the fvck up people.......
Truthisee's eloquent prose nicely makes my point about the vehemence of the held belief being a factor. Any women that drive a non-electric car or have recently eaten a piece of red meat interested in a relationship with Truthisee?
Cheers,
Mike (and if you are that vehement about the environment, why are you having kids?) | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 4:38:25 PM | | The most extreme type of evironmentalist is described and then it is asked if you could live with that person. Most people who are concerned about the environment are shades of the fanatic and do what they can do. The thing is that before you would "live" with a dedicated environmentalist you would certainly know that they are one. If that is a problem for a person, then why would they even consider living with an environmentalist? Pretty simple stuff here. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 4:40:27 PM | | Holy mackeral. I admire the incentive, I guess sure to some degree, but a relationship is not a dictatorship. Doh. If you want a frozen pizza now and then maybe buy a seperat erm, efficient, hehe, freezer for your goodies so the other one stays anally correct. LOL. Sounds like a fullfilling life to me. Just don't be so open minded yer brains fall out. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 4:47:19 PM | The only one left that actually gives a chit about me (one of my step daughters) is a tree hugging / animal rescue activist. She is ALWAYS bringing home stray dogs/cats. She has no doubt saved hundreds of animals in her life (so far she is only 25). She don’t eat meat and I doubt she would eat a tree if she was starving lol.
I love the snot out of her. She don’t really CRAM here ideas down other’s throats but boy howdy .... it could be tuff with a hard core greeny as an SO. | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 4:53:30 PM | tell me where does a hard core environmentalist that lives in the city.
Get their groceries-They also have to be trucked in
Clothes- again they have to be trucked in
Furniture etc,
For that matter you don't have to live in the city to have these inconsistencies
One who is respectful of the environment and are good stewards to the planet and its animals is one thing. The fanatics often refuse to admit inconsistencies and hypocritical behavior.
So what level of a Green are we talking about here? | |
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Posted: 2/14/2007 5:18:04 PM | I think it is our responsibility as residents on the planet to act responsibly to the best we can. Doing the things on your list seem pretty reasoable to me within reason. There are extremes of course, but if environmental issues are your passion, go for it! It's a great cause. My 9 year old is interested in PETA and is learning what they are all about so she can decide for herself. If it's something she wants to support, I will support her. Informed decisions are key, and protecting our environment benefits everyone on the planet. Teaching this to our children is important because they are likely the ones to live with the boomer's excess and find renewable energy sources to get the plant back to a healthy status. It only changes when the person with the passion tries to force thier passion onb others. Expressing one's views and promoting their cause is one thing, but to the extent it harms relationships or other people is not good.
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