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 Eihwaz

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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:54:40 PM

The Province, Page A30, 22-Feb-2007

Surplus of $51b sitting in EI fund

OTTAWA -- The employment-insurance surplus has hit a whopping $51 billion, according to briefing notes released under Access to Information.

Opposition critics and the Canadian Taxpayers Federation say workers have for too long overpaid into what the Conservatives once called a "partisan piggy bank."

"The EI rate-setting process and the continued growth of the surplus in the EI account are areas of current controversy," say the notes.

But the Conservatives have offered no hint of plans to revamp a program they once derided as a raid on workers' wallets.

The cumulative $51-billion surplus, up from $44 billion in 2004, represents how premiums paid by workers and employers have outstripped benefits paid out over more than 12 years, says the federation.

Excess cash has flowed into Ottawa's general coffers to be used as the federal government sees fit -- on new spending or tax cuts, for example.

It's a bit like robbing Peter to pay Paul, says federation president John Williamson.

"The EI system is being used as a tax grab by the federal government to spend money elsewhere. It should operate more as an insurance program, and not be used as a revenue generator by the government."

Human Resources spokesman Dan Charrette confirmed that the EI surplus grew by another $2.2 billion in 2005-06. Of that, $800 million was the extent to which premiums paid by workers and employers exceeded what was needed to pay a range of benefits. Another $1.4 billion was interest earned on the previous surplus.

Critics have long demanded that Ottawa slash EI premiums to better reflect the cost of benefits. They also point out that almost 17 per cent of workers who pay into the program never qualify for support.

It's especially hard for part-time employees, many of them women, to collect on their EI contributions because requirements were toughened in 1996. Those who have re-entered or are new to the labour force must have worked 910 hours to qualify.

For the most part, requirements range from 420 to 700 hours depending on unemployment rates.

Auditor-General Sheila Fraser has repeatedly called on Ottawa to account separately for the EI surplus instead of plowing it into general coffers.


Is it right to give tax cuts to corporations, income trusts and the wealthy while hording so much cash from working people?

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EIhwaz
 Eihwaz

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Posted: 3/9/2007 10:00:29 AM
update...



Times Colonist (Victoria), Page A05, 09-Mar-2007
Union lays complaint against Harper and cabinet

REGINA - A criminal complaint against Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his cabinet questioning how his government is spending employment insurance funds is now in the hands of the RCMP in Regina.

Larry Kowalchuk, lawyer for the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union Saskatchewan joint board, said the complaint was filed in response to long-standing concerns by union members that the surplus funds in the Employment Insurance fund may be converted and used for purposes other than providing unemployment insurance.

"The recent flurry of media coverage combined with the auditor general's report and the fact the surplus in the EI fund has jumped by $7 billion in one year was the impetus to act. It was time," Kowalchuk said.
 DJ Smak

Joined: 1/16/2005
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Posted: 3/10/2007 3:18:48 PM
wow, no ones posted in this? Guess we don't care that we pay so much money into it, but when it comes time to use it, they deny your claim. Typical of Canadians. I don't foresee much coming from this investigation, I mean if the liberals can avoid jail time and put it on their fall guy, I'm sure the conservatives can beat it.
 Nightcowboy

Joined: 10/8/2006
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Posted: 3/10/2007 3:41:01 PM
What else is new... the surplus happened because the majority of people can never qualify to get it.That money should ONLY go for the purpose it was created.The system should go back to pre 1995 or scrap the whole thing.Since I can never qualify to get UI, I don't see why I should pay into it.The gov't thinks this BS program works while the surplus to me proves its a disgrace.I say we should look after ourselves when it comes to UI and CPP the gov't proves time and time again it can't do the job it was elected for.
 That Guy Him

Joined: 12/8/2005
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Posted: 3/10/2007 9:07:54 PM

the surplus happened because the majority of people can never qualify to get it.

And when you do qualify, you don't get f*ck all. You're also expected to wait 6 weeks before benefits kick in because they figure you should have saved at least that much... at least that's the excuse behind it. It's more because they know people can't go 6 weeks without income and they're hoping you'll find a job before they have to start paying.

I say we should look after ourselves when it comes to UI and CPP

I could probably save more money and at least I know I'll get the money back some day. The government will still get a portion of it, but a portion is better than the whole damn thing. I'm never going to get my EI contributions back.
 Bigger Guy

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Posted: 3/10/2007 9:56:41 PM
The system was put in place by a Liberal Majority Government and would take an act of Parliament to change it. So lets say that Prime Minister harper was to go back to the old and much fairer system, and proposed the change to the house. It would then require a majority of the opposition members to change it. Now we know the Liberals would not go for it. The PQ want the surplus for other things, and the NDP had ideas for a national childcare program to be funded out of it. So to impliment change, the citizens would have to harass and badger their MP's into voting for them, instead of the party line.
Under the present system, which was intended to stop EI abuse and "encourage" workers to get active in seeking new employment, the employee doesn't ever get the year of EI. Its more like 9 months. They don't necessarily get training in a field of their choice or interest and ability, but rather what is available and already funded and subsidized; even then, half the re-training money (that is if you qualify) is paid by your province or territory (another saving by the federal system).
It would be difficult to have any changes made under the present system of a minority Government. I believe they would like to see it changed, they had talked about it in the electioneering time, but they have to negotiate their way through everything they do right now. That is not necessarily a bad thing in most cases, but on certain issues it can be bad. This is one of them. If the Conservatives could get enough imput and momentum on the issue, and get the NDP on side, it could be done. But that would be difficult and there will probably be another election before that. Lobby for the change and it could become an issue. The conservatives will most likely back you whole heartedly, its the others you would have to badger.
 Eihwaz

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Posted: 3/11/2007 10:38:02 AM
Bigger Guy,

To suggest that the current Conservatives are supportive of altering a system that results in the poor subsidizing the rich is absurd.

To use this as an opportunity for the ideologically opposed New Democrats to further bolster the good electoral-fortunes of the hypocritical Cosnservatives is nothing short of a neo-con conspiracy.

The New Democrats have already been bailing Harpers sorry ass out of the fire and in fact were integral to getting him into a minority Government to begin with. Now that Canadians see what the result of this ridiculous political partnering the Democrats lag at 13% in the polls.

I agree that Politics make strange bedfellows but this love affair you promote will simply further promote the exploitation of the have-nots by the haves not the other way around as you suggest.

Check out New Labour and their results overseas, then tell me how labour in conservative clothing is gonna make things better for people....




New Labour: the tax dodgers' friend

from Tribune magazine.
"'New' Labour: the tax dodgers' friend
Under the present Government, Britain has become the world's first onshore tax haven, writes Prem Sikka

AS A result of organised tax avoidance, Britain is losing between £97 billion and £150 billion of tax revenues every year - sums large enough to make a huge difference to spending on education, healthcare, pensions, public transport and a significant reduction in poverty. The poorest fifth of British households pay nearly 10 per cent of their income in direct taxes and another 28 per cent in indirect taxes. But elsewhere the story is very different.

Companies have developed strategies that result in higher accounting profits, but lower taxable profits. Reneging on pension commitments and tax avoidance are all part of the same strategy. Between 2003 and 2006, the FTSE100 companies doubled their profits. Their senior executives enjoy bumper profit-related remuneration. Yet there is little inquiry about the quality of such profits.

FTSE100 companies have more than 15,000 subsidiaries, many of which rarely trade but enable companies to book profits in tax havens and avoid taxes in this country. Many companies employ ingenious intrafirm pricing schemes to shift profits out of Britain and reduce tax bills. Rupert Murdoch's NewsCorp generates vast revenues through Sky television and its newspapers, but most of the profits are booked in tax havens. Since the late 1980s, it has paid little or no corporation tax in Britain. Richard Branson's Virgin empire is controlled from tax havens and pays little in British corporate taxes.

An Early Day Motion in the House of Commons pointed the tax avoidance finger at Alliance and Leicester, Allied Domecq, Amersham, Arcadia, Barclays, BAT, BOC Group, Compass Group, Dixons, GlaxoSmithKline, Honda, Kelda Group, Lloyds TSB, Merrill Lynch, NewsCorp, Nissan, Northern and Shell, Portland Enterprises, Prudential, Rolls Royce, Sage Group, Severn Trent, Shell, Tesco, Toyota, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Trains, Vodafone and WPP. However, the Government has shown little interest in plugging the leakage of tax revenues to tax havens.

Under the private finance initiative (PFI), taxpayers are already committed to paying at least £150 billion to companies. The same corporations are shrinking the tax base by not paying taxes. For instance, Innisfree is one of the largest providers of funds for hospitals and schools. Its directors have been enjoying bumper rewards of £10 million. However, the company's audited accounts for the financial years 2004 and 2005 show that it did not pay any corporation tax in this country. Nearly one-third of the company's shares are held in Jersey by Coutts Bank for some faceless beneficiary. This party receives dividends, effectively paid by British taxpayers, but pays no taxes.

In 2005, retail entrepreneur Philip Green's Arcadia Group, which owns Burtons, Topshop and Dorothy Perkins, declared a dividend of several billion. A staggering £1.2 billion went to Mrs Green, but she did not have to pay income tax of nearly £300 million because she is resident in Monaco. Philip Green was knighted in 2006.

Britain is now the world's first onshore tax haven. Millionaires can live here in style, enjoy all the benefits of our social infrastructure, but pay little or no personal tax. Last year, Britain's 54 billionaires had an estimated income of £126 billion. At the normal rates of income tax, they should have paid nearly £50 billion in tax, but are estimated to have paid only £14.7 million - an effective tax rate of only 0.14 per cent.

The Government's insistence on light-touch regulation has created opportunities for private equity firms. These firms enjoy capital gains tax concessions and also siphon-off profits through interest payments, often to tax havens. The siphoned-off profits return to Britain as borrowings and the interest paid then qualifies for even more tax relief with the inevitable outcomes. Despite combined sales of more than £12 billion and operating profits of more than £400 million, five of the largest 10 private equity firms paid no corporation tax during 2005/2006. Most reduced their tax bills and four of the top 10 firms received tax credits.

The Finance Act 2006 has created new tax avoidance opportunities. In January 2007, the British Government launched real-estate investment trusts (REITs). In essence, an REIT is a company that owns and manages income-generating property. However, it comes with a huge tax perk. If most of its income is paid out as dividends to shareholders, then the company is exempt from corporation tax. Yet little attention has been paid to the use of REITs for tax avoidance.

In the United States, following advice from Ernst & Young, Wal-Mart has used REITs to avoid paying taxes. Brief details of the schemes are that one or more Wal-Mart subsidiaries pay rent for occupying properties to an REIT. This REIT is either wholly or substantially owned by another Wal-Mart subsidiary and it can pay out its dividends without paying any corporation tax. Wal-Mart is effectively paying rent to itself and all payments stay within the same group of companies. The scheme enables Wal-Mart to claim tax relief on its rental cost and avoid corporate taxes on the income. In one four-year period, the REITs strategy enabled Wal-Mart to avoid paying $350 million in taxes.

In the British setting, investors receiving the dividends are also exempt from higher rate income tax (40 per cent) on their dividend income. Even worse, these investors could be located in tax havens and would pay no income tax on their dividends.

In the US, Senate committees led by Senator Carl Levin have targeted the tax evasion industry. Its hearings looked at major accountancy firms and led to KPMG being charged with the largest-ever criminal tax case. The firm was fined $456 million and a number of its partners are facing prosecutions. One of its partners subsequently told a US court: "I wilfully aided and abetted the evasion of taxes." Here, KPMG's global chairman Michael Rake received a knighthood and his firm has close links with the Treasury. The Treasury Select Committee has shown no interest in investigating the tax avoidance industry.

Under "new" Labour, the poor are subsidising the rich. The tax system discriminates against British citizens by giving privileges to non-citizens. The tax base in this country is being eroded and will not enable any government to make the required investment in social infrastructure or redistribute wealth. The present Government has shown little imagination or determination in checking the tax avoidance industry.
Prem Sikka is professor of accounting at the University of Essex"


Cheers
Eihwaz
 anApplepear

Joined: 12/9/2005
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Posted: 3/11/2007 12:25:36 PM
A friend of mine really object the EI system. He thinks it should be optional, not mandatory. If one doesn't contribute one doesn't get the benefit, it is just so fair. This friend has been contributed to the EI system for the past 20 years, he figured he could have saved all that money and live quite comfortably for 9 months without work. He got laid off last summer and got so pissed off by the department in filing and waiting.

In Alberta, especially in the last 3 years, lots workers are worked as "contractors" from their own incorporated company; most are required by the employers to do so to avoid paying their share of CPP, EI and WCB - and some of those employers are even large Corporations in Canada.

I think EI premium should be optional.
 wpg_chick_84

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Posted: 3/30/2007 8:38:24 PM
To the comment above: do you think that if paying into EI were optional anyone would pay into it? And if someone opts out of paying into EI will they have to forfit their right to collect EI?

I think it's awful that the government has all this money sitting around doing practically nothing when there are so many people the money could help.
 slysterling

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Posted: 3/30/2007 11:10:13 PM
it's been a long long time since i collected EI...and i only collected it for about 5 weeks some 30 years ago...being self-employed the last 20 years i havent paid into it, and really haven't paid much attention to it's efficiency...


...but, if I'm not mistaken, and hopefully we can find one canuck on this pof site that knows this, if I'm not mistaken, when EI was first invented or introduced, i believe thru hard fought battles by people like Tommy Douglas, or Joey Douglas, and I believe Preston Mannings, father i can't recall off some 50 years ago ( but i'll look it up later...my canadian history is failing me tonite),

EI, long ago originally introduced as Unemployment Insurance was mandated into perpetuity (that means forever) that it would always be held separate for the Canadian people, from the general affairs of the government, and this is what's concerned the Auditor General and myself for a number of years, since it was I believe, the Chretien government that started getting their grubby little meathooks into it maybe as many as 7 or 8 years ago...

...this is not a party bashing post, just a commentary that is pretty apparent as to why the Liberals were recently turfed...the people had had enough of dirty politicians lining their pockets with ill-gotten booty and scimming from things like imaginary advertising programs, and fancy resort hotels...and some of that dirty money was now not only just our usual tax dollars being scammed from us, but also now your EI benefits...and Canadians should be concerned about this

...the money was mandated to be kept separate for this very reason...the surplus thats there today, may well not be there 20 years from now when half of Canada is too old to work...so i for one, hope something does come from this lawsuit
 lolalakes

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Posted: 3/30/2007 11:53:52 PM
Well, that certainly is alot of money.

51 billion and only 2.2 billion since the Conservatives have been in power

Looking at the cup half full....I would say wow! Alot of people in this country have jobs! Thats a good thing.

I fully agree that people who put into this fund ...should be able to draw from it. If it is shifted anywhere it should only be to create work or to retrain someone.

I know some people who know how to work this system....So....a few can collect.

Personally, I would rather work...except of course its to take care of a child, or loved one.
 all about laughs

Joined: 4/18/2005
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Posted: 3/31/2007 9:13:16 AM
Perhaps we should transfer some of this surplus to the Canadian Pension Plan since people keep screaming it will not be there in 20 or 30 years...

The article says that the surplus jumped $7 Billion in 3 years, from 2004 to 2007... and we are jumping on the Conservatives?

Looks to me like the Liberals, while in power for the previous 12 years would have hauled in close to $36 Billion if we did the same ratio, and did nothing about it or with it...

Hardly fair to point fingers at the conservatives over this, especially after being in power for only a year... most likely not a priority on their list right now, with all the bleeding hearts screaming about the environment and social assistances for families...

I am sure in time this matter would be dealt with...

But I guess most can sleep at night that they would be getting something if they lost their job, not much but something...
 mnabtwn

Joined: 6/11/2007
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Posted: 6/19/2007 6:23:31 AM
As some one who ownes a small business this has frustrated me, I have written to my mp about this. Workers of mine have to pay a share as well as me. This is taking money out of my pocket. The other part of it that ads to people like me is Ontario wants to raise the minimum wage to $10. I understand why but man thats going to hurt my business and my family life. It just keeps going and going and going. And if you reduce taxes the NDP scream murder. Try spending the money you have now correctly
 IndKyPerson

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Posted: 6/19/2007 7:42:41 AM
The theme here seems to be government forcing individuals to save as a group for a rainy day. Then restricting the rainy day fund for individuals and dispersing it to the folks who can hold out or fill out forms well.
If Canada has an abundant surplus on this fund, why are they still collecting the tax to fund it? Could it be as simple as putting a hold on the collection until the fund dips below a certain benchmark, then reinstate until it reaches benchmark again?
Is there a problem (other than current law) that prevents governments from funding a general welfare program or any anticipated government project prior to, or in small excess to provide sustainability?
US has these issues too in areas. The governments shouldn't even be involved. We have SSI, FSA, IRA, 401, ect. ect. The government claims rights to either the whole or portions of those raining day funds if pulled upon early or not at all by the individual contributing into their personal account.
Why?
I agree with government collecting funds for general welfare (unemployment, SSI, ect.) and dispersing to folks who either couldn't save, didn't save, or lost enough to need it. Why is it looked at as an individual entitlement to how much you get or whether you put in or not in relationship to receiving the funds? It doesn't seem right to me.
Government has no business or real right to interfere with its penalties including initial taxes on my "rainy day" savings in regards to health care, retirement, unemployment, college savings, home purchase, but they do. Even in the aspects of inheritance penalties of the personal wealth saved and who I would pass it on to. Does that respect personal private property in regards to the govt making laws to seize and control it?
I see the need to monitor personal levels and types of personal dispursements for tax abuse potential.But blocking access to my own funds or just out right seizes them through bureaucratic regulations and regular old laws. I don't know, but I'm guessing Canada has an income based tax. I'm guessing incomes across the board are over taxed given to the opinion of the individual who's income is being taxed. Do Canadians have tax free incentives on personal "rainy day" savings?
 twoshadows

Joined: 4/4/2006
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Posted: 8/11/2007 6:27:07 PM
I'm a seasonal worker in heavy construction in Manitoba. I work roughly from May to October or late November,and due to a lot of overtime I pay some pretty high EI premiums. Then when I file I'm generally told I'm eligible for about 17 to 20 weeks of benefits. This is not enough to see me over to when work starts again in the spring,and there is not enough work for all the laid-off construction workers in the winter. In the past few years I've been leaving the province in the winter to find work to keep me going. With this big surplus it would be nice to have enough weeks of benefits to tide me over.
 Always Smiling36

Joined: 1/3/2007
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Posted: 8/12/2007 1:33:28 PM

The system was put in place by a Liberal Majority Government and would take an act of Parliament to change it. So lets say that Prime Minister harper was to go back to the old and much fairer system, and proposed the change to the house. It would then require a majority of the opposition members to change it. Now we know the Liberals would not go for it. The PQ want the surplus for other things, and the NDP had ideas for a national childcare program to be funded out of it. So to impliment change, the citizens would have to harass and badger their MP's into voting for them, instead of the party line.


At least some one understands how our government works in a minority situation.
Good post.

O/P; To suggest this is some sort of "neo con conspiracy" is irrational to say the least.
Don't you understand how our system functions in a minority situation?


I'm a seasonal worker in heavy construction in Manitoba. I work roughly from May to October or late November,and due to a lot of overtime I pay some pretty high EI premiums. Then when I file I'm generally told I'm eligible for about 17 to 20 weeks of benefits. This is not enough to see me over to when work starts again in the spring,and there is not enough work for all the laid-off construction workers in the winter. In the past few years I've been leaving the province in the winter to find work to keep me going. With this big surplus it would be nice to have enough weeks of benefits to tide me over.


Or you could find employment in an industry that works all year instead of 6-7 months of it.
 twoshadows

Joined: 4/4/2006
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Posted: 8/12/2007 5:50:48 PM
Sure,there is that option.But then who is going to do the work that can only be done seasonally? As it is here there is a shortage of heavy equipment operators for road construction,drainage work,etc.

Twice just before elections Jean Cretin(not a misspelling) said his government was going to revamp the system to take care of seasonal workers since they serve an important purpose. then he called an election and nothing was done after he got back in power. Twice.
 MarkoBF

Joined: 2/25/2007
Msg: 18
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Posted: 8/14/2007 1:41:37 PM
That's why successful Canadians flee to the USA, or at least their money does!
 CharlesEdm

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Posted: 8/15/2007 8:10:23 AM

That's why successful Canadians flee to the USA, or at least their money does!


I thought was because your dollar was tanking.
 trubblemakr

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Posted: 9/27/2007 6:07:24 PM
um who on earth would want to go to the united states of 14 trillion dollar debt i have no clue
sorry but that isnt even a realiity
the unemployment money should be kept and distributed to the workers not the governments spending, they shuld be forced to remove the restrictions set forth that disable the workers from collecting what they habve worked towards
since they refuse the worker uic when they are quit/fired from a job it is nothing less than a joke
the only way u can collect uic is if you are laid off from a job or if u get some good excuse for quitting
why should we be forced into labouring ?
why cant we as canadians work according to our own desires and collect according to the amount of hrs we put into the system?
if we dont put in the minimum amount of hrs then we shouldnt b allowed to collect. however if we have the hrs we need to qualify. what gives these parasites the right to deny us our "earned unemployment insurance???
it is nothing more than government organized legal extortion of the canadian people
i have no doubts the americans are behind the system as they seem to have their greedy blood stained hands behind most corrupt things that go on in this world
 trubblemakr

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Posted: 9/30/2007 8:28:59 AM
um i dont think it matters exactly which parasite u vote into power. they are all puppets for the capitalist system which is really in control.
if anything. people should refuse to vote until a suitable government appears that is trustworthy and not just a bunch of manipulative arseholes
at the first example of misrepresentation , governments should b held solely responsible for every single thing they do while in power.
money lost should b recovered thru the elected governments assets
there are so many ways for them to escape repayment or responsibility for their actions , it is no wonder they could care less about the taxpayers money and lives.
they sit above us all like little pretend gods , they influence our daily lives and cover their own asses and futures at the expence of millions of tax paying people.
they make sneeky under the table deals an commit fraud and major theft crimes and yet they are above the law and cannot b charged or jailed for thier underhandedness
we are now paying approx 60% taxation.
the roads are a joke , the infrastructure benefits only the rich
deregulation is rampant and widespread, forced upon the people with the promise of lower prices and more competition.which will never happen as big corporations make deals between themselves to rob from the poor and give to the rich
they cut welfare for the poor and raped the worker by disentitling hi from recieving unemployment benefits. workers compensation protects the employer not the employee, with their return to work rules, the worker has no longer got the right to get better before returning to work, instead they must show up every day while injured , in order to get paid .
they try to say democracy is the best system in the world. they try to force feed it to the world on a platter made of lies and misdirection.in reality democracy is an illusion created by the rich . for the rich, it creates a super slave for them to manipulate and string along with the concept of one day maybe you can escape your destiny as a slave
they pretend u have an active role in choosing your fate by voting
"in reality no matter which cat u elect , you will still be just a mouse"
as tommy douglas said
 valleyjavastop

Joined: 6/4/2007
Msg: 22
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Posted: 10/1/2007 4:48:52 PM
the system is out of date ,,along with the amount one can make before repaying it all back ,,,they should not be keeping the money ,,its called overpayment or over charged..they stold it ..remember how they treated anyone who had to pay it back...pay back double..
 slysterling

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Posted: 10/1/2007 7:03:00 PM
Canadians should be demanding that money not be spent on removing surplus bills that the feds have kicking around. The feds haven't contributed a dime to that fund since the early 70's. The EI fund is not supposed to be counted in with the federal money. it's the canadian workers money that comes off their weekly paycheques. They get enough taxes.

In the 70's and 80's when ALberta oil was really taking off, the premiere of Albeta created the heritage Fund for Albertans.
Some type of Candian watchdog should be doing this with the canadian workers money. Same with the CPP. Martin restructured the CPP and uases it as an investment vehicle to make money for the federal coffers. Martin as Finance Minister in the 90's was also the guy that started counting the EI in the governmnet numbers to look like he knew what he was doing when it came to government budgets.. He had no business doing this. It's like me stealing money from my neighbour and putting it in my bank account.

The EI and the CPP is a different kettle of fish from us paying our taxes. I havene't paid into EI for 30 years and most folks I know are self employed. They haven't paid into it either. We could have but we didn't. Therefore we should not reap any benefits from this money coming back thru the federal system. It's not a 'right' allocation of hardworking Canadians moneys. Folks like me shouldn't be enttitled to better roads and stuff from it. That's what my tax dollars are supposed to be going on.
 h0ldfast

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Posted: 10/10/2007 1:49:33 PM
Taxing employment is a great way to stifle job creation. EI should only take in what it needs, like any other insurance program. Unfortunately, it is being used as an equalization program and as a quick tax grab.

The Conservatives inherited the EI mess from the Liberals. They will probably restore some kind of balance to the EI program as soon as they get a majority government.
 DJ Smak

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Posted: 10/10/2007 7:11:29 PM
so why doesn't everyone get a lawsuit goin huh? We all complain but thats all we do.
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