| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 2:56:01 PM | A former president of the ACLU has been charged with possession of hardcore child pornography.While that in itself is very disturbing this is a organization that is currently defending NABLA a group of perverts who believe sex between young boys and adult men is ok and constitutional.
This is the same organization that wants to make it illegal for school libraries to filter adult content in the computers of young students and the list goes on.
Open borders and where illegals and drug traffickers can operate freely is also on there agenda.Let us not forget there war on christianity.They ACLU with its SP agenda has no room for christians in there world,after all they're doing there best to rid all references to religion,Some in The ACLU even want to desecrate the graves of our war hero's by taking down the crosses the adorn there resting places.
The bottom line here is that this is a dangerous group of people who want to destroy the values important to our society. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 3:22:30 PM | | The ACLU may have been started years ago with the best of intentions, but I find that now days, they certainly don't speak for the masses as they should. Remember when they started the ruckus about the crosses on the city buildings and city seals for places such as Los Angeles, and Los Cruces? Now, I don't follow a brand of religion, but - I have to say, that those symbols absolutely do not and did not affect me or insult me in the least. For the past couple of years, they've really started to try and align themselves with the far liberal left. I think that's a grave insult to liberals everywhere. I can do without the ACLU - I can speak for myself - with friends like that, who needs enemies? | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 3:33:00 PM | A former president of the ACLU has been charged with possession of hardcore child pornography.
http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=600&sid=1070785
A youth sports coach in Arlington County who is also a past president of Virginia's American Civil Liberties Union chapter from 2002 through 2005.
Let's explore fallacy -
Let's go after coaches too! He was a coach!
Let us not forget there war on christianity.
Really, then why do they fight for the rights of Christians?
http://www.aclu.org/religion/frb/28163prs20070129.html
http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/27673prs20061212.html
http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/27661prs20061206.html
Hey, if the ACLU defends Christians, does this mean that all Christian Coaches are kiddie porn collectors?
The bottom line here is that this is a dangerous group of people who want to destroy the values important to our society.
Fallacy is fun, ...but like a house of cards, ...not very substantial.
The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees:
* Your First Amendment rights-freedom of speech, association and assembly. Freedom of the press, and freedom of religion supported by the strict separation of church and state.
* Your right to equal protection under the law - equal treatment regardless of race, sex, religion or national origin.
* Your right to due process - fair treatment by the government whenever the loss of your liberty or property is at stake.
* Your right to privacy - freedom from unwarranted government intrusion into your personal and private affairs.
Now, I don't follow a brand of religion, but - I have to say, that those symbols absolutely do not and did not affect me or insult me in the least.
Veterans Denied Right to Post Religious Symbol on Headstones, ACLU Charges
http://www.aclu.org/religion/discrim/26970prs20060929.html | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 3:34:05 PM | The ACLU needs to be crushed, they have become as Anti-American as the rest of the "New Left" Add to the list the "Teachers Union" which is doing everything it can to destroy proper education, and protect thier jobs.
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 3:38:36 PM | Late----Keep dreaming!
A world where grown men can have thier way with LITTLE BOYS is not my idea of an "enlightened society"----OVER MY DEAD BODY will this be treated as "Normal"
The ACLU constantly fights on the WRONG SIDE----they need to be crushed.
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 3:53:19 PM | The very reason we need things like the ACLU is that if the type of person who'd label the teacher's union as a leftist organization.
For every lawsuit you do not agree with there's another protecting Your rights.
Just that alot of people have knee jerk reposnese and do not even know all the aclu does. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 3:54:57 PM | Late----Keep dreaming!
A world where grown men can have thier way with LITTLE BOYS is not my idea of an "enlightened society"----OVER MY DEAD BODY will this be treated as "Normal"
How utterly despicable of you to imply that I advocated this.
Do familiarize yourself with the forum rules concerning libel.
E) No Misquotations or Misrepresentations of other Posters. This is considered Libel.
The ACLU constantly fights on the WRONG SIDE----they need to be crushed.
See the links above.
Every convicted criminal was put in jail by a lawyer, and every single one of them had a lawyer defending them, this is called due process.
Half the lawyers are on the right side, half are on the wrong side.
Do half the lawyers "need to be crushed"?
Or are you just falsely ascribing to them qualities because of they are doing their job?
The OP in this thread contains many lies, ...if there are legitimate beefs about some of the cases ACLU is involved with? Fine, do comment on them, ...but why lie?
Is the person in question even being defended by the ACLU?
....or was he just head of a local chapter in the past for 2 years.
Please look up "specious reasoning".
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 4:00:05 PM | Late - thank you for posting that - I read it. I don't quite understand why you did it, but thanks. What I said, is that I did not have a problem with those crosses, while being a non-believer. Yes I see that by your post, they did actually file papers on behalf of a good cause. Yay for the ACLU. Quite frankly, it doesn't happen very often - and I have no problem with the Wiccan faith emblem either. Yes the soldiers should be allowed to have it, for the same reason everyone else gets theirs. But the fact remains, that the ACLU does not generally represent the people whom it was started for any longer.
EDIT: (the people being 'we the people' - not just a loud few to the left.......) | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 4:03:49 PM | | I'll be honest that I don't follow too much on what the ACLU does, but after reading some of the postings in this forum, I think we need to remind ourselves that extreme views on BOTH the left and right damages our country to the same extent. Regardless of what side of the fence you sit on, BOTH sides always tries to portray the other as the evil that will destroy this country. Well, I've had it with both extreme points of view and wish our politicians would get fed up and take our country back from extremes and start catering to the middle and common sense again. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 4:26:21 PM | There is no middle to come to...Unless Unpopular speech and some unpopular entities are protected it'a lla slippery slope,,, I do not agree with every lawsuite the aclu files..
But they file Many important ones...I would guess you did not even bother to look at the links. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 4:40:03 PM | Listen, the ACLU does stuff that pisses off the left as well as the right. They're serve one purpose which is to bring constitutional issues to the fore.
A single member being a waco is no more of importance than looking at republican child molestors that happen to be on senate commitees that are supposed to protect these people.
Besides, ACLU doesn't need to be crushed, they represent a side in the debate. If you think they should lose more often thats fine, but is what the USA really needs is LESS debate? It's not like ACLU is bombing churches or something stupid. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 5:16:36 PM | It's not like the ACLU Is bombing churchs or something stupid..." Oh no they are just protecting child molesters big surprise one of their very own gets nailed for being one, big surprise... | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 5:16:40 PM | | I definatley don't agree with everything they do. But, if you should ever need them, you better hope they're still around. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 9:12:50 PM |
A former president of the ACLU has been charged with possession of hardcore child pornography.
As we all know, several Roman Catholic priests have been convicted of child molestation. I guess it just goes to prove that all Christians are child molestors.
While that in itself is very disturbing this is a organization that is currently defending NABLA a group of perverts who believe sex between young boys and adult men is ok and constitutional.
Exactly how are they defending NAMBLA?
Let us not forget there war on christianity.
I wish they were at war with Christianity. Maybe there'd be a few billion less child molestors.
The bottom line here is that this is a dangerous group of people who want to destroy the values important to our society.
Not a bad thing actually. Christianity has long stood for slavery, anti-Semitism, oppression of women, and child molesting. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 9:29:25 PM | Why is so hard to understand...
If NAMBLA's rights to free speech aren't protected by the constitution then neither are yours. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 9:44:10 PM | | It's my opinion what I say here I don't like child molesters I got it when I was a kid and I gave it back pernmently if I was to witness a kid being abused I'd fu*k the sonofa**** up again..Now since I'm a christian some jacka$$ calls us all child molesters I can't even voice my opinion here without getting attacked by a so-called liberal..I'm not going to go back and forth with this little B.S. Debate I feel the way I feel and that's it..I don't care what the A.C.L.U. Claims to protect....As far as protecting the constitution oh yes I can see what a wonderful job they have been doing since George has been in office.. He asks for more money for war, they ask for more money to protect child molesters.... | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 10:04:40 PM | When did the ACLU take part in a child abuse trial on the behalf of the abuser?
Did that EVER happen?
NAMBLA is a bunch of nutsacks but they're entitled to their opinions as long as they don't break the law... just like the rest of us... hopefully. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 10:33:45 PM | ACLU is not different, defending the Bills of Rights, than the NRA critics regarding guns.
As a principle is applicable for everyone, without exemption, not from the convience side but always.
As a members or ex, none is perfect, like some are in the church, Enron, Gitmo or the White House. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/27/2007 10:40:09 PM | I think the ACLU has done a lot of good things. I haven't heard anything about them defending child abusers, where did it happen? There are abusers now days almost everywhere,schools, churches, clubs, you name it. So because one was in the organization
doesn't make the whole ACLU bad. I don't agree with every suit they file should be filed, but evidently they feel they are protecting someones rights. I think that Late is
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/28/2007 12:08:53 AM | The ACLU was NEVER started to represent "we the people"
It started to protect people’s rights period. The fact is the majority and the mainstream usually does not have to worry about significant levels of discrimination or having their rights taken away.
The ACLU represents people that have their rights tread on. Often these groups are distasteful to the mainstream, if they weren't the ACLU wouldn't be necessary.
I don't think you conservative types get this. Before the ACLU existed, not a single free speech defense had EVER been successful. The right was essentially meaningless. Do you think this is a desirable state of affairs? | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/28/2007 4:01:41 AM | In the state of Mass. this issue is currently being addressed in a lawsuit brought on by the family of a young boy murdered by these NAMBLA perverts.The ACLU is of course is defending the oranization by arguing that pedophilia and pornography in schools is a right protected by the constitution.The court docketts are available to those who want to read them.Decide for yourself if this is a travesty.
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Harvey Silverglate, an ACLU board member, said Wednesday that the group's attorneys will try to block any attempt by the Curleys to get NAMBLA's membership lists, or other materials identifying members.
The ACLU also will act as a surrogate for NAMBLA, allowing its members to defend themselves in court while remaining anonymous.According to the Globe, NAMBLA officials in the past have said their main goal is the abolition of age-of-consent laws that classify sex with children as rape. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/28/2007 5:33:10 AM | http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/11289prs20000831.html
In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.
Don't miscontrue what they are saying. They are defending NAMBLA's right to state their opinion, and the fact the lawsuit claims that it's members who posted are not responsible for the deplorable actions of another.
Free speech isn't just for the stuff we like people. Otherwise there isn't any damn point to it. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/28/2007 6:06:10 AM | | You're absolutely right OP, we should abolish the ACLU, they are a dangerous leftist organization, hell bent on destroying America. Imagine, defending Free Speech, what country do they think they are in, Canada. I think we should go farther than abolishing the ACLU though, we should arrest anyone who speaks out against the government, critisizes the president, has sex outside of marriage, doesn't practice Christianity, engages in homosexual acts, or masturbates. The only way to defend freedom is to take it away. | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/28/2007 6:44:24 AM | While we're at it lets abolish the democrat party. The libertarian party. The Green Party. Because from the myopic vision of the far right necons within the conservatives, They're all dangerous far left organizations.
And they hate America too! | |
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| The Dangerous ACLU
Posted: 2/28/2007 9:42:02 AM | | Oh I think that's a great idea you guys got there keep going with those ideas you know I changed my political party during Georges adminstration and I know the democraps are going to take back the country in 2008 but I'm wondering deep down if they will rid our country of Georges spying program or will they just keep it all hush, hush, maybe take away a few more rights of the people on their own while they smile at the cameras for stopping the war...Not exacley the topic but it makes me wonder..Maybe the A.C.L.U. and those here defending the organazation would walk the talk one step further and have a sex offender paroled into your custody let them thrive under your roofs with your family.. | |
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