| Federal Prosecuters fired
Posted: 3/7/2007 1:12:55 PM | I have been watching the hearings about the 18 or so Federal Prosecuters who were fired apparently because they would not go along with partisian goals. All of these federal prosecuters were approached by someone who wanted things done outside the scope of ethics and then fired when they did not cooperate. Does that bother anyone else as much as it does me?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/06/dismissed.prosecutors.ap/index.html | |
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| Federal Prosecuters fired
Posted: 3/7/2007 1:17:23 PM | | Yes, it bothers me a great deal. So much so, that like an Ostrich, I have to burry my head in the sand at times, and not pay attention to all of the abuses that are dealt against our personal freedoms, each and every day. | |
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| Federal Prosecuters fired
Posted: 3/7/2007 5:29:22 PM | | Its a disgusting move by a criminal administation. The reason the federal prosecuters are being terminated are because they are doing their job and not turning a blind eye to the corruption they find. If I had my way we would be inditing Attorney General Gonzalez on torture, spying on US citizens and criminal negligence in allowing illegals to pour into our nation, many of who go on to commit crimes all of whom are trespassing. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2007 8:43:23 PM | and it only gets *better*!!
Bush's New US Attorney a Criminal?
BBC Television had exposed 2004 voter attack scheme
by appointee Griffin, a Rove aide.
Black soldiers and the homeless targeted.
by Greg Palast
March 7, 2007.
There's only one thing worse than sacking an honest prosecutor. That's replacing an honest prosecutor with a criminal.
There was one big hoohah in Washington yesterday as House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers pulled down the pants on George Bush's firing of US Attorneys to expose a scheme to punish prosecutors who wouldn't bend to political pressure.
But the Committee missed a big one: Timothy Griffin, Karl Rove's assistant, the President's pick as US Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas. Griffin, according to BBC Television, was the hidden hand behind a scheme to wipe out the voting rights of 70,000 citizens prior to the 2004 election.
Key voters on Griffin's hit list: Black soldiers and homeless men and women. Nice guy, eh? Naughty or nice, however, is not the issue. Targeting voters where race is a factor is a felony crime under the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
In October 2004, our investigations team at BBC Newsnight received a series of astonishing emails from Mr. Griffin, then Research Director for the Republican National Committee. He didn't mean to send them to us. They were highly confidential memos meant only for RNC honchos.
However, Griffin made a wee mistake. Instead of sending the emails -- potential evidence of a crime -- to email addresses ending with the domain name "@GeorgeWBush.com" he sent them to "@GeorgeWBush.ORG." A website run by prankster John Wooden who owns "GeorgeWBush.org." When Wooden got the treasure trove of Rove-ian ravings, he sent them to us.
And we dug in, decoding, and mapping the voters on what Griffin called, "Caging" lists, spreadsheets with 70,000 names of voters marked for challenge. Overwhelmingly, these were Black and Hispanic voters from Democratic precincts.
The Griffin scheme was sickly brilliant. We learned that the RNC sent first-class letters to new voters in minority precincts marked, "Do not forward." Several sheets contained nothing but soldiers, other sheets, homeless shelters. Targets included the Jacksonville Naval Air Station in Florida and that city's State Street Rescue Mission. Another target, Edward Waters College, a school for African-Americans.
If these voters were not currently at their home voting address, they were tagged as "suspect" and their registration wiped out or their ballot challenged and not counted. Of course, these 'cages' captured thousands of students, the homeless and those in the military though they are legitimate voters.
We telephoned those on the hit list, including one Randall Prausa. His wife admitted he wasn't living at his voting address: Randall was a soldier shipped overseas.
Randall and other soldiers like him who sent in absentee ballots, when challenged, would lose their vote. And they wouldn't even know it.
And by the way, it's not illegal for soldiers to vote from overseas -- even if they're Black.
But it is illegal to challenge voters en masse where race is an element in the targeting. So several lawyers told us, including Ralph Neas, famed civil rights attorney with People for the American Way.
Griffin himself ducked our cameras, but his RNC team tried to sell us the notion that the caging sheets were, in fact, not illegal voter hit lists, but a roster of donors to the Bush-Cheney reelection campaign. Republican donors at homeless shelters?
Over the past weeks, Griffin has said he would step down if he had to face Congressional confirmation. However, the President appointed Griffin to the law enforcement post using an odd little provision of the USA Patriot Act that could allow Griffin to skip Congressional questioning altogether.
Therefore, I have a suggestion for Judiciary members. Voting law expert Neas will be testifying today before Conyers' Committee on the topic of illegal voter "disenfranchisement" -- the fancy word for stealing elections by denying voters' civil rights.
Maybe Conyers should hold a line-up of suspected vote thieves and let Neas identify the perpetrators. That should be easy in the case of the Caging List Criminal. He'd only have to look for the guy wearing a new shiny lawman's badge.
cheers
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| Federal Prosecuters fired
Posted: 3/8/2007 4:04:30 AM | | It bothers me greatly that the attitude exists far beyond just the administration. It appears senators and congressmen have attempted to corrupt the justice department. These few prosecuters were fired. It makes me wonder how many others were not fired because they did go along. What has to go is this administration. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 9:01:08 AM | Its a disgusting move by a criminal administation
I am no fan of this administration but.... this post is a tad naive..... people who get political appointments to jobs (city, county, state, fedearl) are often 'fired' when they take positions or dont support their bossses - its life | |
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| Federal Prosecuters fired
Posted: 3/8/2007 9:08:24 AM | | Not in the justice system. Because of the nature of what they do, the seeking of justice is suppossed to be non partisian. Otherwise it would be used to destroy your opponenents much like it was attempted in these cases. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 11:38:57 AM | Not in the justice system. Because of the nature of what they do, the seeking of justice is suppossed to be non partisian
prosecutors have leanings..tendencies..... its human nature and philosophical.. and the 'head' prosecutor - at whatever level - will expect the assitant prosecutors to have a similar philosophy - and fire those who do not - right or wrong it happens all the time. to plea bargain or not plea bargain - to indict or not indict - all are decisions influenced by philosophy - pursuit of justice isnt pure and black and white. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2007 6:51:34 PM | I am not surprised. Sick and saddened, but not surprised.
I'm guessing no one higher up has the balls to stop this and step and do something? | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 4:23:22 AM | | Prosecuters have leanings. Yes that is true regardless of political sides, however in this case the pressure on these guys who were fired went way beyond that. In one case they were being pressured by Senator Domenci (spelling) to help sway the 2006 election and in another case by a congress person to sway the election in her favor. The senators and congress people went way beyond what is consider proper. This is at the feet of Gonzales. He runs the justice department. He failed. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 5:47:36 PM | I read in Yahoo/news today, the US District Attorney for California was fired. Apparently, Carol Lam paid more attention to white-collar crime (including Rep. Randy "Duke" doing time for corruption) than the problems at the border with illegal immigration.
"Why were this US Attorneys fired?"
www.time.com/time/nation/articule/0,8599,1597085,00.html | |
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Posted: 3/9/2007 9:58:42 PM | "Resistance to Tyranny is Obedience to God...." [Thomas Jefferson, found amongst his papers]. And when is the last time anyone had a look at their job description at the US Justice Department or Secret Service, for that matter.
Aren't these agencies responsible for maintaining law enforcement integrity in political offices??
Or was I misinformed by the colleges that have been teaching Administrative Justice programs?
It's a sad day when anyone gets fired for doing their job....but it would not be the first time nor the last that the federal government has turned it's back on their public service servants would it? What about Border Patrol....etc? The list goes on and on....
Just think about what would happen if drugs and prostitution were legal... Look at Amsterdam... High, Happy and Crime Free..... Now, what does that tell you???
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Posted: 3/10/2007 5:57:47 AM | | And I repeat what I have said so mnay times before, who still thinks impeachment wouldn't be worth it. We have here an obvious well orchestrated plan to completely control all aspects of our justice system, as well as everything else. A totalitarian government is in the making, enemy of the state can have a variety of definitions. It just depends on whos doing the defining, and who is enforcing the definitions. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2007 7:03:35 AM | sometimes, you just have to admit you are wrong.
I posted on here that this is fairly routine and no big deal. However, I have done some reading and it appears to be pretty cynical. | |
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| Federal Prosecuters fired
Posted: 3/13/2007 10:32:05 AM | Monday, Apr. 05, 1993
Last Tuesday, after being on the job only 11 days, Attorney General Janet Reno had the Justice Department moving and shaking. She requested the prompt resignation of all 93 U.S. Attorneys around the country "to build a team" that represents "my views" and those of the President. Although expected eventually, the move triggered alarms at the Washington prosecutorial office, which has been probing the finances of a key Democratic floor captain, House Ways and Means chairman Dan Rostenkowski. Reno insists there was "no linkage"' between the dismissals and the probe, which insiders say will continue.
Funny so much outrage over the firing of 8 U.S. Attorneys. Where was this same outrage when Bill Clinton had all 93 U.S. attorneys fired "to build a team" that represented his "views" and the "views" of Janet Reno? | |
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Posted: 3/13/2007 11:29:34 AM | Funny so much outrage over the firing of 8 U.S. Attorneys. Where was this same outrage when Bill Clinton had all 93 U.S. attorneys fired "to build a team" that represented his "views" and the "views" of Janet Reno?
huge difference
new administrations, including Clinton and Bush, replace a lot of people at the inception so they do have a team that is philosophically on board. Bush did that in 2001. The firings today are something different. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2007 3:41:44 PM | | This issue heated up today with news involving Harriet Myers and Karl Rove. Gonzales has taken this as his reponsibility. The issue is were the firings for cause or because these particular prosecuters were moving too slowly for the White House in cases involving democrats. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2007 5:14:07 AM | This issue is really heating up. It appears the President will fight in court to avoid having his people testify under oath. Presidents always call that a seperation of powers issue. I always call it trying to hide something. If it goes to court, it will not be decided during his term that being a long and ardeous process.
Is Gonzales a "dead man walking"? | |
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Posted: 3/21/2007 7:17:46 AM |
Funny so much outrage over the firing of 8 U.S. Attorneys. Where was this same outrage when Bill Clinton had all 93 U.S. attorneys fired "to build a team" that represented his "views" and the "views" of Janet Reno?
Sorry to disrupt your republican talking points, but as already stated firings mid term are VERY rare.
Honest nice guy was nice enough to admit he changed his views, maybe this will change yours
Here is some readings.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/14/AR2007031400519.html?nav=rss_email/components?nav=slate
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/nation/16897325.htm?source=rss&channel=krwashington_nation
Get back to us. | |
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| Federal Prosecuters fired
Posted: 3/21/2007 4:20:23 PM |
It's a sad day when anyone gets fired for doing their job....but it would not be the first time nor the last that the federal government has turned it's back on their public service servants would it? What about Border Patrol....etc? The list goes on and on....
It is apparently obvious at this point that our government leaders are outright corrupt, especially when incidents like this happen. It's even worse when those who did the firings REFUSE TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH!!! That says something...LOUD...that there's something to hide.
But I disagree with the quoted post. As we all know, there are 2 Border Patrol agents sitting in jail right now for doing their jobs and patroling our borders. If you wish to blame anybody for the border situtation, blame Mexico, those "sanctuary towns" (like Houston and New York), Big Business, the Department of Homeland Security, and the White House. Those are the crooks that f--ked our borders up. | |
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| Federal Prosecuters fired
Posted: 3/21/2007 8:14:21 PM | Acknowledging as we must, that the attorney generals serve at the pleasure of the President, I fail to see the rational behind the hysterics over the firings.
As was pointed out, President Clinton fired all 93 in one fell swoop. The fact that it occurred at the start of his administration as opposed to mid-level is thunderously irrelevent.
Likewise, the allegations that there is some nefarious purpose behind the firings and they somehow portend an end to democracy are, to be kind, laughable. If the firings were due to an attempt at suppressing evidence and circumventing an investigation, such actions would sooner or later (sooner, I would guess) come to light, either through some whistleblower, or Congressional investigation.
Hardly the demise of democracy.
If the administration can be faulted, it would be in the hesitant nature of Gonzales' managerial style. He seems to lack the decisive personality to make a decision and stick to it that was the hallmark of AG Ashcroft.
The fact that Gonzales isn't trusted by conservatives doesn't help him either. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2007 9:25:58 PM | Tort .. I think the huge outcry is over the bungled attempt to lable the fired prosecuters as inept and incompetent .. you can fire anyone who serves at the pleasure of the President ...at anytime.. for any reason .. BUT .. when you maliciously use false pretense as the basis of the firings .. and then it's revealed that No ... those "reasons" were not the real genesis behind the actions .. you get the kind of public outcry we're seeing today ..
In these cases, it's fairly obvious that backdoor politics were used to slander these men and women .. it also looks very bad when they were working on sensitive cases that involved potential wrongdoing by Republican cronies ..
Add to that, the revolving door of "reasons" and excuses that Gonzalez put forth and the ineptness of this Administration to address the problem head on .. this fizzle has burt into flames .. The Administration has nobody to blame but themselves.
Also .. the real Motivator behind these moves seems to be Karl Rove .. the emails that have been released (against White House wishes) clearly show Rove as the initiator.. Roves back handed politics and his recent involvement in the Outting of Valerie Plame's CIA covert identity .. (for which he should have been charged) as well as his brillant (but dirty politics in Ohio) have made him a Democratic flashpoint ...
Democrats in Congress want Rove (and others in the Administration) to testify under oath about this case because misleading testimoney can be used in a court of law against them .. the Presidents plan gives them an out .. they can say anything they want .. and not be afraid their own words can be used against them later .. that's why Bush is fighting so hard against them having to testify under oath ..
Under Republican control .. the Admistration has been very good at not having scandals lead to testimoney under oath .. this is certainly going to change under the new Democratically controlled Congress ... | |
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| Federal Prosecuters fired
Posted: 3/21/2007 9:39:26 PM | But they were incompetent. In particular, David Iglesias can be labeled the poster child for gross incompetence.
Mr. Iglesias not only dragged his feet in investigating allegations of voter fraud (there was evidence of democratic operatives and employees hired by the Democratic party, submitting names of dead and ineligible individuals as bona fide voters), but instead of seeking an indictment of the individuals who admitted submitting fraudulent voter registrations, he created a task force.
Wake up and smell the coffee; when a law has been violated, you seek an indictment and not create a task force.
Iglesias not only deserved to get fired, he should have been suspended or disbarred. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2007 10:01:45 PM | | Tort .. 6 of the eight fired prosecuters we're ranked in the TOP third of their profession in terms of prosecutions .. only two .. were questionable .. SEE? Perhaps some real testimony in this case is warranted ... let's clear the air and find out the REAL TRUTH .. what's going on here? Is it your facts or mine? I'm all for finding out who's right .. no matter who's right ... | |
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Posted: 3/22/2007 5:54:53 AM | | What bothers me most is the comment from the White House, stating that they are not willing to participate in a "partisan fishing expedition by the Democrats". How ironic. They (Republicans) have been steering the lead partisan fishing charter boat for years. Let's not let 100 pages of redacted emails and paperwork take the place of these "honorable public servants" standing up before the American people and telling the truth. | |
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