| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 3/27/2007 11:48:11 PM | Cloning is talked about a lot today. One day maybe cloning will be as common as any other medical procedure. I was wondering, since it may be possible at a point in the birth cycle to change the sex of a clone from the sex of the person cloned, would we be able to clone the perfect mate for heterosexuals? Or just leave the clone the same sex as the donor person for gays?
Wouldn't it be great to clone a significant other of either the same sex or opposite sex for yourself? You would have the same interests. You would be similar in appearance. You would think the same. Wouldn't such a way of getting a mate be a perfect solution to the conflicts that exist now in finding the right person to be with? Just wondering what others thought of this. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 3/28/2007 1:29:57 AM | | Interests aren't a matter of genetics as far as I know, so a clone wouldn't help there really. I'm not so sure I'd want a female version of me, especially one who looks like me and has a build like mine. If I made a female clone of me today, in 18 years she'd be legal (who would be raising her? if I raised her I sure couldn't think of her in that way) and I'd be 50, while that's alot of 50 year old guys dream I don't think it's for me. Also, any children we had would be mutant monstrosities, how much closer could you get to incest then your exact genetic duplicate except for gender. So overall I'd have to say I'm against the idea. I'm not against the idea of people being able to clone themselves as an alternate method of having children though, perhaps for the infertile (though unless it wasn't genetic why would you want to curse your "child" with the same problem?) . | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 3/28/2007 8:18:52 AM | Many studies of identical twins who were raised in separate environments show the vast influence of what are termed 'environmental factors' on the active expression of gene (the physical manifestation of genes that are read, transcribed and translated to a cell product). A genome is said to be a geneotype: its a set of potential characteristics. Its expression is phenotype: the physical manifestation of the genes that are active (as opposed to the many that are 'silenced', not expressed and active).
Socialization - physical functional and behavioral maturation of the brain - whence it dramatically increases in size and complexity of function (gene expression) - occurs *after* birth, not before it.
What you want are someone who *complements* your qualities, not duplicates them. Duplication wouldn't give you adaptive advantage, it would merely reinforce both good and bad trait expression.
So, you can't clone the perfect mate. Much better to put your time and effort in work on yourself, your behaviors and adaptability, ability to cope with daily and acute event stress, overall physical health and wellbeing, rather than hope that science will clone the perfect mate for you.
The truth of the matter is this: the less flexible and adaptable, the less centralized your primary character traits (developed personality, sociability, maturity, and flexibility), the few potential matches exist for your type as a mate.
You, in essence, by neglecting to evolve and self limit potential (eg, you put yourself on the market like a the shabby or eclectic house), self-limit success.
Ironically, you also limit personal experience, quality of life and 'happiness'; these play an important part in health in later years - you actions reduce life expectancy (barring unforeseen non-health related factors that might end it earlier in life). | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 3/28/2007 5:17:56 PM |
Cloning is talked about a lot today. One day maybe cloning will be as common as any other medical procedure. I was wondering, since it may be possible at a point in the birth cycle to change the sex of a clone from the sex of the person cloned, would we be able to clone the perfect mate for heterosexuals? Or just leave the clone the same sex as the donor person for gays? Wouldn't it be great to clone a significant other of either the same sex or opposite sex for yourself? You would have the same interests. You would be similar in appearance. You would think the same. Wouldn't such a way of getting a mate be a perfect solution to the conflicts that exist now in finding the right person to be with? Just wondering what others thought of this[/qotue] SIGN ME UP....! It can only be better then what I have been finding here here so far......  But seruously, I think it would be great to have female version of me.... | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 3/29/2007 1:43:13 AM | I always love to read Sombient's contributions to the forums. Very intelligently put and thought out. She has a number of very good points in what has been said.
The 'Nature vs Nurture' is the biggest factor in a person's personality. I go more for the Nurture side of things in many incidences.
My exes sister was adopted and met her birth mother. Many common traits were apparent such as talking fast, hand gestures and things like that. They had different opinions on many things though. It was interesting to watch the two of them together.
For someone to be identical to you, that clone MUST go through the identical experiences that you have at the same age and the same intensity as you did. Not only that, they would have to go through them with another clone of the same person that you went through it with. In a totally ficticious world this would be possible. You would just have to have everyone cloned. Not a very practical thing to do..... | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 3/29/2007 1:03:46 PM | "I always love to read Sombient's contributions to the forums. Very intelligently put and thought out. She has a number of very good points in what has been said. "
I feel the same way. I wish she would lift the restriction on her profile from age 54 to 56 so I could write directly about stuff. One very smart lady. I would enjoy just sending her an email and dialoguing about stuff. This lady has one very sharp mind. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 3/29/2007 2:28:52 PM | | OP....Sorry ....but silly idea and it just isn't the right way to look at things. The change we want to see is from the inside and not from the outside. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 3/30/2007 3:19:58 PM | | yeah this has got to be one of the worste ideas I have ever heard thats like advocating inbreeding it's just ethically wrong I don't belive that it's a good alterative or even worthwhile choice if it were possible sorry but thats my opinion | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 4/2/2007 5:27:02 AM | | We don't want someone who is just like ourselves, we want someone who allows us to imagine we're as great as we think we are. Having a clone for a mate would be horrible because you would see yourself as you really are, proving your ex right after all. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 4/2/2007 8:09:18 AM | | Hmmm, there is nobody I love as much as myself, and hot d*mn I am gorgeous, if I didn't already have a great mate I would definitely date myself! Always a great conversation if mate me thinks like real me, we both would argue multiple sides of an argument despite personal feelings just to garner new perspective. LOL Bring me on!! | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 4/2/2007 6:44:56 PM | @ Sombient.
What perfect answer! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
What you want are someone who *complements* your qualities, not duplicates them. Duplication wouldn't give you adaptive advantage, it would merely reinforce both good and bad trait expression.
So, you can't clone the perfect mate. Much better to put your time and effort in work on yourself, your behaviors and adaptability, ability to cope with daily and acute event stress, overall physical health and wellbeing, rather than hope that science will clone the perfect mate for you.
The truth of the matter is this: the less flexible and adaptable, the less centralized your primary character traits (developed personality, sociability, maturity, and flexibility), the few potential matches exist for your type as a mate. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 4/2/2007 7:36:35 PM | | Nah, cloning someone would never work because everyone has different experiences and relates to them in different ways. Besides, having someone exactly like you in every way would eventually become very boring, at least to me. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 4/2/2007 9:56:46 PM | The majority of posted responses indicate that duplicating ourselves would not be a viable solution in selecting the ideal mate.
In my experience, just a few of the reasons people have difficulty in finding and remaining with the right significant other are because of some or all of the following:
1. Poor communication.
2. Lack of ability to commit to a relationship.
3. Dissimilar interests.
4. Infidelity.
5. Taking each other for granted.
6. Selfish “me first” attitudes.
7. Dependency on drugs or alcohol.
8. Getting bored with each other.
9. Abusive physical or verbal behavior.
10. Money problems.
11. Vocational disparity.
12. Attractiveness.
And it goes on.
While I posted this clone idea originally just for fun, it does have some practical application. A clone would resolve practically all the reasons I mentioned for a person’s inability to find and remain with someone. In effect, you would get no more, or no less, than you deserve.
If you are a poor communicator, that’s what you would get. If you are ugly, ditto. No vocational disparity because you would both have similar vocational interests. How about abusive physical or verbal behavior: what went around would come around back to you. You are unfaithful to your spouse, okay; your spouse has the same attitude and would be unfaithful to you. In effect, if we went down each of the items I mentioned, you would find any negative behavior or other factors resolve against YOU!
If you are wonderful and good, your clone would be wonderful and good. Why don’t we want a duplicate of ourselves? I think it is because some of us don’t want to be on the receiving end of our own negative character traits and behavior that we deny or hide from the world.
As for there being a problem with complimentary behavior, environmental influences would soon reflect differences in each of your behaviors because each of you would sense the world independently from the other and this experience would make changes in your independent perceptions of reality. However, these changes would doubtless be minor and would not establish dramatic character changes so varied that the clone’s identity and behavior would negatively deviate dramatically from your own. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 4/3/2007 12:48:58 AM | You DO realize that...
a) Clones do not pop out being full grown the age of their DNA doner, they'd start out as a baby. If they found a way to speed the aging process to make them your age then they'd grow old and die long before you, do to the accelerated aging.
b) Unless they had a VERY similer upbringing, their personality/interests/vocation is NOT likely to be at all similer to the doner's. Just imagine how different you'd be if you were raised by evangelical fundimentalists.
c) Having children with them would be much more likely to cause genetic defects then having a child with your own brother or sister.
I mentioned all that in my origional post, but you seemed to have missed those points. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 4/3/2007 3:12:16 AM | AWP: I did read your previous post. But if we have the science to clone and change sex, we will have the science to accelerate growth so the person is adult in a few weeks and the science to discontinue acceleration once the clone arrived at the proper age; and the clone would be raised in those few weeks in an isolated environment thereby preserving the personality and character traits of the donor.
Furthermore, since all of this is supposition anyway, why not because of the possiblity of birth defects resulting from a union with your clone of having the female artificially inseminated with the sperm of someone other than the donor or clone? There's always solutions just as there can always be objections to a new idea.
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 4/3/2007 3:39:49 AM | We DO "have the science to clone and change sex" (only reason there isn't more human cloning is the ethical concerns), but we DON'T "have the science to accelerate growth so the person is adult in a few weeks and the science to discontinue acceleration once the clone arrived at the proper age". Even if we could both accelerate and decelerate growth, if they were raised in an isolated enviroment for a few weeks then they'd have no personality whatsoever, they wouldn't even know how to talk. They'd share no interests with you unless you were interested in plain white walls (or whatever was in their isolated enviroment). There would be no personality to preserve since it hadn't formed yet.
Do you know any identical twins? I do, and despite very similer upbringings (raised together in same house) their personalities are quite different, I can't imagine how much more different they'd be if they were raised separately. In order for this cloning thing to work the way you want it to, we'd need to have memory implants too, and that's alot farther off in the future then accelerating and decelerating growth. Actually with the memory implants they wouldn't even need to be a clone of you. You're better off building a lovebot, at least then you could program it with whatever interests and personality you want. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 4/3/2007 7:12:48 AM | | you immediately withdraw the left arm a motor even mements later you start perceiving the pain a sensory event. explain why the sequence of motor and senosry events occurs in this particular order thanks | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 5/26/2007 8:41:06 AM | It defies the mechanism of evolution, purely for self-interest. Kind of like contraception in effect.
Anyway it wouldn't work (at least not really well) because it's been shown that we are attracted to people with opposite immunotypes as us to stop inbreeding. Apparently we signal this information through pheromones. So I guess kissing your clone would be like kissing a brother/sister. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 5/26/2007 8:49:53 AM |
c) Having children with them would be much more likely to cause genetic defects then having a child with your own brother or sister.
That's the first thing I thought of. Sounds like this is the next step in inbreeding. I'm out on that one. | |
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| Cloning the perfect mate from your genes?
Posted: 5/27/2007 7:52:11 AM | A lot of my attraction to 'mates' comes from dissimilarities in us. Yeah, you don't want to go hang-gliding with someone who's afraid of heights, but for me, in any relationship from friends to intimate lovers, I need to be stimulated intellectually or boredom will doom the relationship to a finite (and, no doubt, short) length. Omitting, for the sake of argument, that environmental influences will make no clones perfectly alike and assuming that our clone sees and acts like we do (generally), I think I'd be bored very quickly. It is fine to have a common interest of enjoying standing on the top of mountain and looking out on a scenic vista somewhere, but I don't really want to spend a great deal of time with someone who sees what I do. Intellectual stimulation comes from hearing how they see it different. I need to be with someone who also sees things that I do not, or even sees the same things in a totally different way. This is how I view 'sharing common interests'. Similarly, at the end of the day, I don't want to hear about a world just like mine, but the world where they spent their day -- one that is different than mine. For only then will I learn something. And if my 'perfect mate' doesn't stimulate me to learn, do and see new things, I don't think I'd be with them long.
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