| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 6:22:26 AM | Listening to the news last night ,there seems to be a push by the anti smoking brigade to have all apartment building made into smoke free buildings .
Right now we already have in place a ban on smoking in hallways ,entrances ..etc in these bulidings ,but now they want to ban smoking in your own apartment .Just wondering what everyones veiwpoint on this is ?????
I myself feel we are closing in on communism ,especially when smoking was banned in all businesses and bars etc,without the said owners even having a right to decide if they wanted a partial smokng area in there establishments .A man works hard for many years to bulid his own business ,owns his own store and then is told he has to go outside to have a smoke and now they want to ban it in all apartment bulidings too ,what about the smokers do they have any rights at all anymore ????
Is it right that the goverment tells business owners and everyone where they can smoke and where they can't regardless of how the owner themselves feels ???? | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 6:28:21 AM | Yes its right
Because me as a non smoker have to breathe in the disgusting , cancer filled air of the smokers . Why should i , when i choose to live smoke free and healthy , have to breathe in this crap ? I should not . ITs not like its someone eating bananas on the subway .. Its proven cancer .. floating around killing people.
I myself think smoking should be illegal but meh .. thats not going to happen .
If you want to smoke and kill yourself thats just fine - dont do it at the risk to the health of me or my family . | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 6:39:53 AM | Banning smoking in ones own apartment is going too far!!! I quit 'cause I know smoking was going to kill me - so I did the right thing - but I know smokers who simply cannot and are not ready to quit and to tell them they can't smoke in the privacy of their own home is way overboard!!!!
Get rid of alchohol as well if you want whats right for the public safety!!!!! | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 6:49:14 AM | I agree Leeanne...going in the privacy of peoples homes is way overboard.
Chickie...it is everyones right to chose...you would just chose not to visit a smoker  but to tell them they can't smoke in their own home!!! | |
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Posted: 3/28/2007 6:54:25 AM | Yeah i should clarify
Smoking in your own home is your problem
common places is what bothers me
LOL - smoke in your own homes all you want -- i just wont come over ! LOL | |
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Posted: 3/28/2007 7:02:03 AM | They can't do that. It's illegal..
Doing something LEGAL "behind closed doors" is one of those things that the gov't can't mess with.
It's just a bunch of whiners trying to get on the news.
And CB -- I assume you never walk down the street. Ya know.. the street, where the cars are, spewing out toxic gas that's a lot worse then a smoke..
And I also assume you, as a taxi/limo driver, don't contribute to that mess/odor? Suck on a tail pipe for 2 minutes and see how healthy you are compared to sucking on a smoke ;)
(Note that the taxes from tobacco sales pretty much subsidises your health care.. and don't tell me it doesn't...$8 in taxes per pack.. that's an awful lot of $8.
VVVVVVVV Coco .. just as an FYI, even if your lease says no smoking it can't be enforced once you move in.. My ex MIL got very upset that her tenant was smoking in her home and tried to get them evicted and you can't be evicted if you are not breaking a law.
SO they either make smoking illegal, or keep their nose out of the private lives of citizens. (ya know sometimes i think Canadians want to be communist, and just let the govt control our every move, thought, deed)
VVVVVVVV Even further down..
"To The Driver"
Car exhaust is the residue of your travel
It permeates the air and putrifies my hair and clothes
Not to mention my lungs
This takes place without my consent | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 7:05:11 AM | I am a non smoker. If I had a choice to live in a smoke free apartment building - I would take it in a heartbeat. Many times I have been assaulted in my apartment by people smoking on their balconies. I think that is unfair....they want to smoke - but have a 'not in the house' policy.
I think it would be far to difficult to force people not to smoke in their apartments - but perhpas some landlords out there will turn the entire building into a smoke free building. This way people have a choice to live there or not.
Enforcing it is going to be the biggest problem. | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 7:06:39 AM | "To The Smoker"
Cigarette smoke is the residue of your pleasure
It permeates the air and putrifies my hair and clothes
Not to mention my lungs
This takes place without my consent
I have a pleasure also
I like a can of beer now and then
The residue of my pleasure is urine
Would you be annoyed if I stood on a chair
and pissed on your clothes without your consent?
I agree Leeanne...going in the privacy of peoples homes is way overboard.
Chickie...it is everyones right to chose...you would just chose not to visit a smoker but to tell them they can't smoke in their own home!!!
That's the problem it's not their own home, I agree though that's a bit much!! | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 7:10:11 AM | They can't do that. It's illegal..
Doing something LEGAL "behind closed doors" is one of those things that the gov't can't mess with.
It's just a bunch of whiners trying to get on the news.
And CB -- I assume you never walk down the street. Ya know.. the street, where the cars are, spewing out toxic gas thats a lot worse then a smoke..
And I also assume you, as a taxi/limo driver, don't contribute to that mess/odor? Suck on a tail pipe for 2 minutes and see how healthy you are compared to sucking on a smoke ;)
(Note that the taxes from tobacco sales pretty much subsidises your health care.. and don't tell me it doesn't...$8 in taxes per pack.. thats an awfull lot of $8. You are wrong there ,it was the health minister of ontario talking about it and remember who makes the laws ....the goverment and they seem nowadays to do whatever they choose to do irregardless of what we think .That is why i mentioned communism because it just seems more and more everyday we are being told what we can and can not do as adults it is getting sickening .
Edit ......... well tell those people that have lost family and freinds to drunk drivers and family and freinds who have had a loved one die from the results of alcohol consumption ,thats the real problem there ,not having them come over and piss on your clothes or whatever ,it is still an evil like smoking ,each to there own ,let me decide i am an adult ,the goverment needs to stay out of my business in my private home . | |
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Posted: 3/28/2007 7:10:16 AM | I too was a smoker, in fact it's been 3months since i quit..........i don't think anyone should be telling a person what the can and can't do to their own body, it should be up to the apartment owner if they want it smoke free units or not not the government.
Hell they're tryin to make it so that it's illegal to smoke in your own vehicle if you have a child in there, there are windows on vehicles hellooooooo... i wouldn't smoke in a home where there was children, even if the parents smoked i still went outside, but in my vehicle....that's private property and the government needs to keep their nose out of it
As for the real reason most apartment owners are smoke free....not as much clean up or up keep when tennet moves out.....trust me, i use to smoke in my apartment back home, the walls were yellow from smoke..........the carpet stunk of smoke
so ya, after 30 wash's later, nothing was gonna work it would have to be repainted, the carpet could be cleaned, more cleanin expense eventually rent prices would have to start goin up.....
And roxy your right, it is our choice....wether we choose to smoke or not, wether we go in a smokin place or not, and i feel if you do not want to be around smoke, then don't go in where the smoke is......and remember i've quit smoking.....and i will have slip ups.....but even before i started smoking i always thought it is our choice, don't like it leave | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 7:28:02 AM | And CB -- I assume you never walk down the street. Ya know.. the street, where the cars are, spewing out toxic gas that's a lot worse then a smoke..
And I also assume you, as a taxi/limo driver, don't contribute to that mess/odor? Suck on a tail pipe for 2 minutes and see how healthy you are compared to sucking on a smoke ;)
Of course i walk down the street -
As a taxi driver , we move people around . YES - of course it contributes to the pollution . BUT we here drive brand new cabs , meeting all emmisions requirements. Our owner always keeps our cars clean and in good repair to keep the gunk down as far as he can. And as for sucking on a tailpipe - not only is that unreasonable and obviously a personal attack , but driving around is something everyone does who can afford to do so. It is a neccessity for some to get to work , see their children , etc . Smoking is not a neccessity unless you have no self control to stop . Im not saying its easy to quit - but its very easy to not start in the first place .
If you want to smoke in your own house or apartment thats fine , i can then make the choice to not come there or bring my children there . I completely agree that public common places should be smoke free . If the only place smokers can smoke is their own homes its much better for us as non smokers . Although there are obviously gross disgusting things in the air now , at least we can emit one more as much as we can in common areas and places of public meetings.
While they are on it - might as well ban alcohol too . It kills far too many people and makes people do things they regret . As the government is on a roll right now they might as well add that to the mix .
EDIT - Branshanic i agree 100 percent - in your private home do as you wish ! It doesnt affect me or anyone else while your there ... I can make the choice to not come over ! | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 7:36:29 AM | | I am a smoker. I don't want to be anymore but quitting is a terrible experience. This whole question is one of gross stupidity on the part of the givernment which reflects a gross stupidity on the part of the population. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Make it illegal...or don't. You cant have both. If you ban it everywhere but continue to make it available...duh...all that will happen is that most of us addicts will become criminals inthe eyes of a state which openly profits from said criminal activity. If we outlaw it here...our generation will suffer...some...but the generations to come will be free and wonder what the heck we were doing. Also, quitting would be ten times easier if smokes were available everywhere. If I had to go and hook up with the crack dealer down in the alley everytime I wanted to smoke...well that would make quitting much much much easier. | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 7:59:03 AM | hahha good old health minister looking for re-election stratogy!
Well now since anyone who pays rent on any place called an appartment or even a house or a trailer . You are classed as the owner and legally do what ever you like inside this place called your home. And you can also say who can or can not enter your place also. And I can tell you if I so wish to smoke in my place even if they make it law that smoking is not allowed .I do not know how they could stop you. Unless they want to break the lease aggreement and boot you out . Then with a few thousand familes with no place to live I wonder what the goverment would do then !
What a stupid world canada is becoming . Seems everyone who moves here thinks its the best and yet they want to control everything you say or do like your living in a prison. Man over the past 15 years canada is begining to turn into a pain in the you know area. Like the old song says (signs signs every signs .Don't do this ,Don't do that)
Give us a F'n break canada and cut the stupidity with your stupidness | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 8:23:07 AM | I have mixed feelings on this,personally I think they should just get rid of smokes altogether,but they make far too much money to do that,so instead they "punish"the smokers by making these rediculous laws.I dont see HOW they could do this seeing as it is (as ndlt pointed out)legal!!
I do however agree with the principal.Why should someone have to beathe this in who are non smokers,or have their kids breathe it in,its toxic ,disgusting,chemical filled smoke that should be forced upon noone.
Im a smoker by the way,hoping to soon not be one.
The gov.is very 2 sided with smokes,they want us all to stop,or so they say,but keep allowing the sale????? Stupid shiitt. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2007 9:39:18 AM | Coco....you are going a little far aren't you on the, "I have been assaulted in my apartment by people smoking on their balconies"
So we are calling second hand smoke assault with a deadly weapon now....oh my....I better watch myself....
CB...we all have a choice on driving....It only has to be a necessity if you choose it to be...you wanna save the earth then don't contribute to the pollution.... you put down us smokers for causing you to breathe in our second hand smoke...but you don't want to take any ownership for driving a car all day....hmmmmmm
LEAVE ME ALONE IN MY OWN DAMN HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!
JMHO | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 9:56:45 AM | | I consider it assault - in a lose sense - why should I have to breath in the junk IN MY HOME - when I don't smoke - because other people are smoking on their balconies - not in their homes. | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 10:03:16 AM | CB -- It wasn't a "personal attack" it was a comment on the perception.
If smoking is bad for the air and your health, so is the exhaust from a car (regardless of how up to spec they are).
A person is much better off smoking then sucking in the car's exhaust for the same amount of time. Note there was a :) at the end of that...
See my point here?
The reason people accept exhaust is beacause there are more people driving then smoking. But using the "i chose the healthy lifestyle".. what about those "healhty lifestyle" poeple that choose to ride a bike or run or walk instead of a car. You are poisoning their lungs with your deadly exhaust.
Is Ciggarette smoke causing the smog around us? Don't think so..
BTW Brasnic;
can you post a cite? This is something that isn't in any of the newspapers.. | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 10:08:24 AM | I agree with senior only buildings, and with no-children buildings, so I'll support this one too.
Although it would make alot more sense to me, that instead of making it a law to ban smoking in apartment buildings, they should make it the owner's choice, something that they should have considered doing for bar and restaurant owners as well, as mentioned earlier.
Clearly, a happy medium of concensus could be reached here, so that both sides wouldn't feel like their getting the crap end of the deal.... | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 10:16:10 AM | The government shoud not be allowed to mandate what happens behind closed doors. What is next - you will not be allowed to have sex in your apartment unless you are married?
The government rakes in the taxes on the sale of tobacco, revenues which exceed millions. Make it illegal or shut up about it. As long as it is the consumer's choice to snoke or not, they should have the right to do so in the privacy of their own home.
I only support non-smoking legislation where non-smokers lose their right to not breathe in second-hand smoke, such as in bars, restaurants, or offices. I would also support it being illegal to smoke in your car if there are children under 16 in it with you. Again, because those children have no choice but to breathe it in.
I was a smoker for 16 years and have been smoke-free for over 3 months now. | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 10:31:03 AM | The reason people accept exhaust is beacause there are more people driving then smoking. But using the "i chose the healthy lifestyle".. what about those "healhty lifestyle" poeple that choose to ride a bike or run or walk instead of a car. You are poisoning their lungs with your deadly exhaust.
^^^^^A very valid point. | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 10:31:23 AM |
CB -- It wasn't a "personal attack" it was a comment on the perception.
If smoking is bad for the air and your health, so is the exhaust from a car (regardless of how up to spec they are).
A person is much better off smoking then sucking in the car's exhaust for the same amount of time. Note there was a :) at the end of that...
See my point here?
The reason people accept exhaust is beacause there are more people driving then smoking. But using the "i chose the healthy lifestyle".. what about those "healhty lifestyle" poeple that choose to ride a bike or run or walk instead of a car. You are poisoning their lungs with your deadly exhaust.
Is Ciggarette smoke causing the smog around us? Don't think so..
BTW Brasnic;
can you post a cite? This is something that isn't in any of the newspapers Check out CTV.CA and then go to toronto news there is an article there ,i hope this helps ,brash. | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 10:35:32 AM | | I don't believe that any government should be able to tell people what they can/can't do in their own homes - as long as no crime is commited. Isn't that a bit of a dictatorship? | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 11:11:27 AM | This anti-smoking thing has gotten way out of hand.
I was standing outside the hospital about a week ago, about 100 feet from the
door having a puff when some wanna-be cop shows up and tells me to put it out.
I pointed to 4 ambulances, 2 or 3 taxi cabs, and a couple of other cars, all sitting there idling right in front of the doors.
He then went on to tell me how secound hand smoke was going to kill everyone.
My response was simply,
I'll keep puffing on my smoke and you stick any one of those tail pipes in your mouth, and let's see who drops dead first.
He left with no further discussion. | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 11:13:31 AM | | I think there's still a government-run free crack pipe program here, so I think I'll switch from smoking cigarettes to doing that... or, get AIDS so that I can legally smoke pot and finally be left alone about my addictions... too funny | |
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| Ontario Apartments Smoke Free !!!!!
Posted: 3/28/2007 11:54:30 AM | Who is going to enforce this?
It may be a law / bylaw written with the best of intentions but who going to enforce it and what will it cost?
Smoking is not illegal so I do not know how anyone would think that this would stand up to a court challenge. And what will it cost?
For the record I don't smoke.... | |
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