| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 10:49:21 AM | What a mess they have there ...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html
Thus far, there are 29 people killed - it breaks my heart when I read things like this - and hearing/seeing it on TV .... my prayers are with their families and friends... | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 10:56:03 AM | | Yeah I'm watching the news...32 dead so far. Now, when should we address the gun laws in the US? Seriously, it makes my stomach turn. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 10:56:16 AM |
What a mess they have there ...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html
Thus far, there are 29 people killed - it breaks my heart when I read things like this - and hearing/seeing it TV .... my prayers are with their families and friends...
A lot of people see these things as something that only happens in places like Iraq or the Sudan.
Michael | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 10:58:22 AM |
Now, when should we address the gun laws in the US?
In Chicago, Illinois, handguns are required to be registered.
Registration forms are only available to rich, white people with connections to the Daley junta.
I guess that is why there is no murder in Chicago...
Michael | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:03:18 AM | This is incredibly tragic news today! Every time I listen to the TV, the number of fatalities goes up.
Two shootings, roughly 90 minutes apart! This guy was on a serious mission ... I don't think any gun registry laws would have prevented him from carrying out his mission.
It is a sad day, indeed! | |
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Sigi
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Joined: 5/26/2005
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:16:37 AM | | What a horrific tragedy. My prayers and thoughts to the victims and families. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:20:30 AM |
Now, when should we address the gun laws in the US?
We have a "gun law" in Canada and as far as I'm concerned it's a bunch of hogwash and a huge waste of money.
So what if this guy had a registered gun, it would'nt have stopped these killings. It would have meant that under the law it was legal for this man to own the weapon that he used to kid 20-something innocent people. He could have easliy picked up a stolen gun sold by some creep from the back of his van. A gun law is never going to stop people from shooting other people. Perhaps better campus security... metal detectors or allowing the security gaurds to carry weapons? It's hard to say if there is ever a sure fire way to prevent this sort of tragedy. | |
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:21:04 AM | Its stuff like this that makes us really think. Its a senseless tragedy...the numbers seems to vary between 22-29 dead...No matter how high the number, its still so sad....it brings tears to your eyes to hear students talking on the cell phones to news media, having no idea if theyre friends or classmates may be among the dead.
Our prayers go out the the families . GOD BLESS | |
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Jemue
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Joined: 1/26/2005
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:27:47 AM | A lot of people see these things as something that only happens in places like Iraq or the Sudan.
Errr what ?
You might want to check the demographics for school shootings in the world, then go read some writings by Malcolm Gladwell before coming out with comments like that ....
Also "you" dose not equal "a lot of people".
As for changing the laws, that will never happen with the political power of the NRA and the mentality and attitude towards guns in the US as a whole, its going to take a deal more innocent deaths for that to happen, and even then the hairs will be split and the symptoms examined opposed to the cause.
We have a "gun law" in Canada and as far as I'm concerned it's a bunch of hogwash and a huge waste of money.
Really ........... and what research have you done into that ?
Being a foreigner living here and curious living next to the gun lovers south of the border I was interested myself as to what the laws are.
Opposed to just forming an uninformed opinion I did the course, took the tests and applied for the restricted license just to see what is in place and what checks and balances there are before people here can legally buy guns.
Not that I have an interests in owning or using a gun, there is no need.
I feel better now knowing what is in place.
This is an interesting reflection on society, and the fact that the guns will be the focus and his actions, opposed to WHY and how can the cause be dealt with, opposed to the media focus on the symptoms will be a sad loss. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:31:16 AM | | A tragedy no doubt. Now for the next few weeks we will have the same meaningless conversation we always have after an event such as this. It's video games, it's rap, it's movies, etc. People will call for metal detectors at every entrance to everything and of course tougher guns laws. Most conversations about guns law are about semi or fully automatic machine guns. This gunman apparently had 2 9mm hand guns. Guns premits don't prevent situations such as these. If he couldn't obtain the guns legally, they are easily obtainable in many other ways. Banning all guns only gives criminals an upper hand. The sad reality that people refuse to admit is that you can't stop crazy, you can only hope to contain it. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:34:31 AM | 31 as of 11:34 dead from CNN. I just got off the phone from my kids school...we need to do more.
My heart goes out to all...GOD BLESS | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:35:32 AM | We have a "gun law" in Canada and as far as I'm concerned it's a bunch of hogwash and a huge waste of money.
I think our gun law is great, and I can count on about 2 fingers the amount of school shootings we've had here. What I mean about guns in the US is that they are way too easily accessible. Now if I had my way, no one would have the right to possess a gun unless it's for hunting. Why else do people need them? You don't. However in this day in age you need them to protect yourself, against other lunatics who carry them.
Sad to say we live in a day an age where there should and needs to be campus sexurity on each campus and a screening process before enterting buildings. | |
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Mia828
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Joined: 1/26/2007
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:36:42 AM | This is very sad news. Did you know that gun crime is only out of control in cities that have the strictest gun control laws, the cities in which hand guns are illegal? Banning the guns did nothing but put them only into the hands of the criminals.
What is the world coming too???
My prayers and thoughts are with the lost souls and their families. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:41:16 AM | The breaking news reports seem to indicate 31 'confirmed' dead and another 28-29 injured. We should hear a preliminary report from ATF and FBI within in the next few hours on the shooter and the origin of his weapons from forensic team investigations.
I wouldn't want to be working triage at either the Regional or local hospital right now - its gotta be chaos. | |
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Jemue
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Joined: 1/26/2005
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:42:42 AM | What is the world coming too???
The world ?
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html
I think the US rules the roost in that department; with the exception of Dunblane I never heard of any of the others apart from the ones in the US (and I don't watch US media).
This is a terrible tradgedy !
A tragedy it is. | |
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:56:01 AM | My heart breaks when kids fall
To rampage in our schools
Need to come together and stand tall
Bless Virginia Tech as they mourn
My heartaches for all who lost
A son, daughter, brother, sister
32 Lost at such a tragic cost
We the world grieve with you today
We as the world need to stand together and pray... | |
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 11:56:18 AM | wow...here's what a very political friend sent to me earlier this afternoon on my private email server:
"""Today at least 22 people were shot dead at Virgina Tech - reports are
trickling in that it could be as high as 29.
President "Bombs-A-Lot" Bush, in his infinite wisdom, sent his condolences,
but quickly added that Americans had the right to bear arms. So admist all
the blood shed and tragedy, he takes the "opportunity" - no matter how
ill-timed, to ensure the National Riflearms Association, knows he is not in
favour of tighter gun control regulations.
Funny thing about amendments to the US constitution, for example say, the
fourth amendment, could it not in itself, be amended? Isn't that what
amendments are for? to amend?
Not only is the world less safe because of that idiot president, his own
country is less safe from his own home-grown terrorists.""""
another scary story...what in the world is wrong with this world is my only comment for now | |
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 12:01:08 PM | The campus students werent warned until 10 and this started at 7...
Good GOD! this is another columbine! the paid ghouls on tv are calling for gun control and lord bush is going to speak at 4:30 this stinks of a government opp...
Im not saying it is.. but it smells like one,However the blood is on the hands of the univeristy,for making the law for victim dissarmament!!!!! and banning guns.
So that the children of our Human family become defenseless targets!
the reports say he lined them up and shot them.. that wouldnt have happened if the faculty had a gun safe... look I am not a Gun Nut, but when you make laws like this, the "criminals" WHO DONT! FOLLOW THE LAW! can then just shoot our people like ducks in a barrel.
Think about what i said before you flame me, and do some research!
google: Operation open eyes/MK Ultra | |
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 12:02:13 PM | I'm sure the families of the victims appreciate the NRA advertisement from the Resident, with his "heartfelt" (as if that man has a heart...) thrown in for good measure. Must make them feel all better. NOT.
Wishing them strength and healing - this must be so hard for those who have loved ones killed and wounded, and those still wondering. | |
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| Shootings at Virginia Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 12:11:23 PM | Jesu, its not a conspiracy. There were bomb threats made last week (two, both of which caused temporary shutdown of campus). Not sure why the campus police allowed the first lockdown to be lifted after gunshots were reported at 7am. With the double bomb threats to the Engineering Complex last week, you would have thought campus police would be keeping an eye on it, since they didn't have the shooting suspect in custody. They might have been thrown off by the location (student dorm) and assumed they were unrelated incidents.
I'm sure there will be questions asked about campus police handling of the first shootings and its connection to the massacre that followed across campus - in the Engineering Complex. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 12:13:05 PM | Really ........... and what research have you done into that ?
Ok, you tell me what good it's going to do for all the law abiding citizens to take the gun courses and pay to have their guns registered? Who's lives are we saving here? If someone takes the courses, registers thier gun and decides to go crazy and shoot up an office biulding... then how did the gun registry save those lives? Ok, so after the fact the authorities can look at the gun and say... yep, it was his and he owned it legally... so what? He still killed people with it. If a person wants to cause harm, they will do it, whether there are gun laws or not.
I agree that here in Canada we can't just walk into a store and pick the gun we want off the shelf and take it home minutes later, there are regulations and courses and background checks, but there are still serious loopholes. Handguns are illegal, but we can own them. We can only use them at shooting ranges and we must call the authorities before we leave the house with the gun so that they know we have it with us. How is that preventing somone from shooting someone else?
A person intending to use the gun for murdering someone else is not going to call the police before hand... he's going to take his registered weapon to the house of the other person and shoot them. I'm all for taking the necessary precations to prevent this kind of tragedy, but in my understanding, owing your gun legally and it being registered will not prevent that weapon for being used in a murder.
I guess I'm just trying to understand how having taken a gun course and having a peice of paper that says the gun is owned by that person, will prevent them or someone else from using that gun in a murder?
Granted, Canada isn't known for it's many mass murders (thankful for that) but you can't tell me that gun registration is the reason for that. | |
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| Shootings at Virgina Tech
Posted: 4/16/2007 12:32:06 PM | I just was talking to a friend...
Guns are not all to blame...Bullying.
It starts in school...
At an early age. We need to start changing things early in childhood development, so young people don't grow into murders.
School use to be a safe place to be...
God help us.
32 confirmed included one lone gunman...who took his own life it seems he may have been a student there...
I just got a call...one of our local girls from our little town, is a student there.
My heart just sank...
My prayers are with her family, I pray she is ok. | |
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