| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 7:17:21 AM | The former US Vice President, is going to be in Sask this week, speaking about climate change, I was wondering if anyone's seen his documentary "An Inconvenient Truth"? Or Is anyone planning to attend his lecture on Monday?
Or does anyone have any other thoughts on Gore, or his climate change message?
I haven'tseen his documentary, but from what I hear, it depicts a "worst case" scenario. But maybe it is something we should all be concerned about? | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 8:03:32 AM | | Any thoughts, on Gore, and his message? Ya, my thoughts are who cares! He just wants to come up here to Canada to see why we are such an awsome country, and he is using message as an excuse to have it paid for by us. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 8:53:08 AM | | My thoughts are that Al Gore is exploiting the climate change issue for his own personal aggrandizement. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 11:13:41 AM |
who cares! He just wants to come up here to Canada to see why we are such an awsome country  Well.... it's understandable that a logical discussion on a political or current event topic may be a little bit over the heads of some people. But thanks for your opinion anyways.
Gore is exploiting the climate change issue for his own personal aggrandizement. Possibly. It certainly's put him back in the public eye in the past several months He's possbly doing it for profit, as well. His documentary film was widely viewed, and he's being paid very well for his public speaking engagements on the subject.
But he is a very knowledgeable and informed person, and a great public speaker. You could likely listen to any hippy chick state similar opinions on climate change for free, rather than paying to see Gore's movie, or spending upwards of $75 to hear him speak in person. But listening to Gore, you're getting information from a knowledgeable person who is informed on the subject. ...or maybe you're just listening to some guy who wants to see if Canada's an "awesome country" ? | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 11:38:41 AM | I've seen the documentary, but have no plans on going to listen to him speak on this topic. My thoughts were and still are that while the information imparted is not news, I imagine environmentalists are happy to see someone getting onboard with trying to do something to try to stave off the significant climate changes occurring because of emissions or other non-organic contributions to the makeup of our planet and environment.
I do wonder why this wasn't something he grabbed ahold of, while he was still in a rather good political position as Vice-President. Interestingly, the US is one of the major industrialized countries that didn't sign on to ratify the Kyoto Protocol, but some environmentalists would say that the US is responsible for approx. 25% of the emissions that are contributing to global warming. Still others would say that global warming is not directly related to these emissions. Those that say that might, coincidentally, be lobbyists for large industry associated with some of these emissions.
For myself, I don't think there's any denying that we've had significant climatic changes, even within our own lifetime. Our planet is changing as we grow and expand, changing it's atmosphere and impacting the climate.
Anyways, just my two cents on the topic. It certainly is an interesting documentary, but I wouldn't spend the money being charged to hear him speak on the topic. I'd much rather listen to David Suziki speak on this topic, and have. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 11:53:39 AM | knowledgeable person who is informed on the subject.
He may be knowledgeable, but you said it right there, "informed" . Thats all he is. Why pay money for an informed person. Has he collected his own data on the subject? or is he just repeating what some scientists, and tree huggers have said for years ? Oh, and make money off of it? | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 1:34:52 PM | I'd much rather listen to David Suziki speak on this topic Good point. He's not just knowledgeable and a great public speaker, he's actually made an effort to get something done. He practices before he preaches. Had Gore beaten Bush, does anybody think this would have been the first thing on his agenda? He's using his quasi-celebrity status to make some cash now that his political career is over. It's great that the issue is getting a little more attention because he's hopped on board, but I have a hard time believing Gore's intentions are not greed driven. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 4:46:51 PM | Just realized I mispelled this brilliant man's last name, so my apologies.
Edit: David Suzuki | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 7:37:37 PM |
wonder why this wasn't something he grabbed ahold of, while he was still in a rather good political position as Vice-President. Interestingly, the US is one of the major industrialized countries that didn't sign on to ratify the Kyoto Protocol Actually Gore was one of the few American politicians to push for implementation of the Kyoto Accord. "Gore was one of the first politicians to grasp the seriousness of climate change and to call for a reduction in emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouses gases" "In the late 1990s, Gore strongly pushed for the passage of the Kyoto Treaty, which called for reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. However, many of these proposals were not enacted by Congress"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore While serving as a US Senator, Gore even authored a book on the planet's ecology, which described possible policies for dealing with environmental problems. It was published in 1992 before he was elected to the Vice Presidency.
but some environmentalists would say that the US is responsible for approx. 25% of the emissions that are contributing to global warming. Still others would say that global warming is not directly related to these emissions. Either way. Regardless of what's actually responsible. If we were to see the worst case scenario consequences of climate change, it could have a disasterous effect on humanity. At least if people are becoming more aware of the potential for disaster, it's more likely that people, and governments will search for solutions. If no-one was talking about it, solutions would never happen.
I'd much rather listen to David Suziki speak on this topic Suzuki is knowledgeable, but in my opinion, he attaches himself too much to the far left environmental exremists these days. Gore on the other hand maintains more of a political "middle ground" sensibility that will earn more respect among the mainstream society, rather than alienate mainstream society.
He's (Suzuki) not just knowledgeable and a great public speaker, he's actually made an effort to get something done. I'll agree that he's made a conscious effort to get things done. But outside of Canda he's unheard of. Gore on the other hand is widely known world wide, and by attaching himself to the climate change issue, has given the issue prominence in places like the US, that have never heard of David Suzuki. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 7:46:24 PM | I have not seen the documentary but have listened to a bit of the spin doctoring that went on when it was aired. I am still undecided as to whether he is sincere or this is just another political "Hot potatoe" he is tossing around in the hopes of generating support..
David Suzuki (Hope I have spelled that correctly) has captured my attention on this topic. Maybe he should run for US senate. LOL
Good Topic Somewhere nice to see a bit of substance back in the forums | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 8:22:22 PM | I'll agree with What Lies Beneath, sorry if I misquoted the spelling of your nickname. This is a great discussion topic!
Suzuki is knowledgeable, but in my opinion, he attaches himself too much to the far left environmental exremists these days. Gore on the other hand maintains more of a political "middle ground" sensibility that will earn more respect among the mainstream society, rather than alienate mainstream society.
I'll agree that he's made a conscious effort to get things done. But outside of Canda he's unheard of. Gore on the other hand is widely known world wide, and by attaching himself to the climate change issue, has given the issue prominence in places like the US, that have never heard of David Suzuki.
Suzuki is far more than just merely knowledgeable. This has been his life's work... the nature of things. Also, his motivation has never been to garner votes or popularity, so in my opinion his aim is altruistic and carries integrity with it.
Gore on the other hand appears to have only just joined the hurrah. I don't recall hearing him sound any warning bells before this, even though you state otherwise. I'm certainly not fluent in all the platforms espoused by American politicians or even necessarily all Canadian politicians, but I certainly have been more aware of what's happening to the environment and our planet's health, and what we can do to improve things, because of David Suzuki's efforts. He has spoken on this topic both domestically and internationally. To heads of state, other scientist and environmentalists, students, politicians, industrialists, everyday folk. I don't know who he may have alienated in this cause, but I think within the global community, he commands alot more respect in this field than you give him credit for. And if he has indeed alienated anyone, it would probably be someone with a vested interest in not seeing change happen for economic motives/reasons.
Again, just my two (guess that would be four now) cents. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/22/2007 8:43:23 PM | Here is something I just found that is quite amusing for those who think that Al Gore is our planets saviour. ...http://www.theonion.com/content/news/al_gore_caught_warming_globe_to | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/23/2007 8:40:52 AM | Apologies Somewhere did not read your post about David Suzuki
My thought is although he may be considered an extremist by some Mr Suzuki has spent years compliling his data. I for one respect his conclusions and albiet it he is intense I believe his motivations to be genuine concern for our planet.
This issue is controversial and hits at the very core of our genetic code....survival. We can choose to debate the motivation of the messanger but the message still remains. "smoke and mirrors" won't help us! | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/23/2007 10:49:51 AM | | Not attending. Saw the documentary and yes what he says is happening. Things in nature do change that are not man made. Man has been put on the moon, yet we are not great about looking after our environment . Big businesses are still interested in the profits and contribute a little to cleaning our environment. As for the Al Gore coming to Regina, I believe the money would have been better spent cleaning up our city and province. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/23/2007 4:19:11 PM |
Gore on the other hand is widely known world wide, and by attaching himself to the climate change issue, has given the issue prominence in places like the US, that have never heard of David Suzuki. This may be true. But I am left to wonder:
Once Gore is done his "tour of duty", will he be out there practicing what he has preached? Will his home be converted to an "Energy Star" home with the millions he stands to make? I believe a large number of the people who are willing to embrace these energy conserving products are in a position where they cannot afford the technology... I know I certainly can't afford a hybrid car. Is Gore going to use the money he makes on this lecture run to help fund research and development to find cheaper ways to provide energy conserving products to make them affordable enough for (at the very minumum) the average income person? If Suzuki was making the kind of money Gore is making doing these appearances, do you think he wouldn't use it to try and further conservation efforts?
Now it is very possible that Gore is going to use the money for such efforts, but until it happens, I'm not going to hold my breath.
It's commendable that he (Gore) is making this kind of an effort, but I just don't see it being his life's passion. Nobody can question that Suzuki lives and breathes conservation. I suppose I just look at it like: who would you rather learn The Force from; Luke Skywalker or Han Solo? | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/23/2007 5:49:36 PM | Of course he has a good message. If everyone on the planet contributed, at least those of us who are responsible for poisoning the environment, it would have a huge impact.
I'm wondering what Mr. Gore does in his personal life to make a difference.
Does he have an energy efficient home?
" " " " vehicle?
O.T. Next time I have calamari, i'm having some Suziki sauce with it. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/23/2007 7:29:25 PM | apparently the thread should have been entirely about David Suzuki, as that's who every poster wants to discuss?
I'm wondering what Mr. Gore does in his personal life to make a difference. Does he have an energy efficient home? " " " " vehicle? glancing at a Wikipedia article on Gore: It mentions that he and his family drive hybrid vehicles, It also that he purchases carbon "off-sets" every time he travels by jet. No mention ofhis home? However he does live in Tenessee where home heating isn't as huge a concern as it is here. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/23/2007 11:13:36 PM | *Disclaimer*
I am NOT an expert on this subject, but would like to comment.
I have seen An Inconvenient Truth. I found it very interesting, and would recommend it to most. I personally admire Gore, and think he should of been president, not Bush. But that's a whole other thread...
From what I remember, Gore has been involved with this issue for many years, it's not just a trendy cause he decided to champion. He has been following the amount of carbon gases (I believe) in the atmosphere since the late sixties. I truly believe his intentions are honorable; like most of us, he just wants to preserve our planet.
Yes, he's a celebrity, and gets paid to talk to people. But this also means people are more likely to HEAR what he has to say.
Personally, I would love to go and hear him speak. I think it would be a great experience.
But that's just my opinion.  | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/24/2007 7:21:32 PM |
From what I remember, Gore has been involved with this issue for many years, it's not just a trendy cause he decided to champion Exactly!
I think the people who ranted that this should be about David Suzuki, are mistakenly believing that Al Gore attached himself to this cause within the last few months because it's now trendy. But in fact, Gore was one of the onlyAmerican politicians promoting environmental awareness at a time before it was fashionable. He also wrote a book on the relationship between increasing atmospheric carbon levels and temperature increase ,before many people had even heard of global warming, or considered it a serious threat. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 4/30/2007 1:41:57 PM | | From what I have learned on another forum, Al Gore's home s (yes he hasm ore than one) use 100% "green" energy. That renewable energy source costs him nearly twice the cost of conventional energy sources. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 5/23/2007 7:56:20 PM | Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Message: The former US Vice President, is going to be in Sask this week, speaking about climate change, I was wondering if anyone's seen his documentary "An Inconvenient Truth"? Or Is anyone planning to attend his lecture on Monday?
Or does anyone have any other thoughts on Gore, or his climate change message?
I haven'tseen his documentary, but from what I hear, it depicts a "worst case" scenario. But maybe it is something we should all be concerned about?
Al Gore presents only one side of this debate.
Watch the CBC documentary and you can decide for yourself CBC - Global Warming Doomsday Called Off http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3309910462407994295 | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 5/26/2007 9:41:35 PM |
Watch the CBC documentary and you can decide for yourself
The CBC documentary is a puff piece by Carolyn Dunn on a grossly deceptive British "documentary".
While climate change science is notoriously imprecise in certain ways, the CONSENSUS of climate SCIENTISTS is reflected in the IPCC reports. Even the US government (yes, even George BushCo) acknowledges that global warming is real and needs to be addressed.
Al Gore was way out in front on this issue. The film "An Inconvenient Truth" is not sexy, and there is one section that is misleading, but in general, he gets it right. This is one of those issues where the whole world needs to buy in, sort of like ozone depletion or acid rain, and Gore is showing the way. | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 5/26/2007 10:07:50 PM |
The CBC documentary is a puff piece by Carolyn Dunn on a grossly deceptive British "documentary".
While climate change science is notoriously imprecise in certain ways, the CONSENSUS of climate SCIENTISTS is reflected in the IPCC reports. Even the US government (yes, even George BushCo) acknowledges that global warming is real and needs to be addressed.
Al Gore was way out in front on this issue. The film "An Inconvenient Truth" is not sexy, and there is one section that is misleading, but in general, he gets it right. This is one of those issues where the whole world needs to buy in, sort of like ozone depletion or acid rain, and Gore is showing the way [/quota]
Al Gore is NO scientist....
He completely ignore the Medieval Warm Period and the little ice age.
The Medieval Warm Period was around 800-1300 AD and the little ice age was from 1300 AD to about 1880 AD.
why is this important.
Medieval Warm Period was warmer than today ... and the Vikings had colonies in Greenland and even in Canada. In the coastal regions of Greenland .. they had plenty of grass for sheep. Sheep were the main meat that vikings ate. Today that same area is too cold for grass to grow and the ground is frozen. When the little ice age started the temperature started to drop and reached a point the Vikings died off because there was not enough grass for the sheep to graze.
This is observed fact because the diet of the vikings changed from mainly a meat diet to a fish died. This is base on analyst of viking skeletons.
The little ice age is a fact since the Thames river in London froze regularly during the winter and they had festivals called frost festivals...
Today all the global warning is based on computer models .. we all know computer programs never have bugs ... right .... a computer model is just a complex computer programs Yes .. the weather is warmer .. but about 110 years ago ... it was far colder and we are just warming up to normal temperatures ... is it man-made or just a normal weather cycle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
Medieval Warm Period
The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) or Medieval Climate Optimum was a time of unusually warm climate in the North Atlantic region, lasting from about the tenth century to about the fourteenth century.
The MWP is often invoked in contentious discussions of global warming and the greenhouse effect. Some refer to the event as the Medieval Climatic Anomaly as this term emphasizes that effects other than temperature were important [1]. The Medieval Warm Period varies little between different studies. Initial research
The Medieval Warm Period was a time of unusually warm weather around 800-1300 AD, during the European Medieval period. Initial research on the MWP and the following Little Ice Age (LIA) was largely done in Europe, where the phenomenon was most obvious and clearly documented.
It was initially believed that the temperature changes were global. However, this view has been questioned; the 2001 IPCC report summarises this research, saying "…current evidence does not support globally synchronous periods of anomalous cold or warmth over this time frame, and the conventional terms of 'Little Ice Age' and 'Medieval Warm Period' appear to have limited utility in describing trends in hemispheric or global mean temperature changes in past centuries".[2]
Palaeoclimatologists developing regionally specific climate reconstructions of past centuries conventionally label their coldest interval as "LIA" and their warmest interval as the "MWP".[3][4] Others follow the convention and when a significant climate event is found in the "LIA" or "MWP" time frames, associate their events to the period. Some "MWP" events are thus wet events or cold events rather than strictly warm events, particularly in central Antarctica where climate patterns opposite to the North Atlantic area have been noticed.
The Medieval Warm Period partially coincides with the peak in solar activity named the Medieval Maximum (1100–1250).
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During the MWP wine grapes were grown in Europe as far north as southern Britain[5][6][7] although less extensively than they are today[8] (however, factors other than climate strongly influence the commercial success of vineyards and the time of greatest extent of medieval vineyards falls outside the MWP). The Vikings took advantage of ice-free seas to colonize Greenland and other outlying lands of the far north. The MWP was followed by the Little Ice Age, a period of cooling that lasted until the 19th century. The climate of Greenland deteriorated to such an extent that the Viking colonies died out or were abandoned in the 14th century. In Virginia's Chesapeake Bay, researchers found large temperature excursions during the Medieval Warm Period (about 800–1300) and the Little Ice Age (about 1400–1850), possibly related to changes in the strength of North Atlantic thermohaline circulation.[9] Sediments in Piermont Marsh of the lower Hudson Valley show a dry Medieval Warm period from AD 800–1300.[10]
Prolonged droughts affected many parts of the western United States and especially eastern California and the western Great Basin.[4] Alaska experienced three time intervals of comparable warmth: A.D. 1–300, 850–1200, and post-1800. [11]
A radiocarbon-dated box core in the Sargasso Sea shows that the sea surface temperature was approximately 1°C cooler than today approximately 400 years ago (the Little Ice Age) and 1700 years ago, and approximately 1°C warmer than today 1000 years ago (the Medieval Warm Period).[12]
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The climate in equatorial east Africa has alternated between drier than today, and relatively wet. The drier climate took place during the Medieval Warm Period (~AD 1000–1270).[13]
An ice core from the eastern Bransfield Basin, Antarctic Peninsula, clearly identifies events of the Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period.[14] The core clearly shows a distinctly cold period about AD 1000–1100, neatly illustrating the fact that "MWP" is a moveable term, and that during the "warm" period there were, regionally, periods of both warmth and cold.
Corals in the tropical Pacific ocean suggest that relatively cool, dry conditions may have persisted early in the millennium, consistent with a La Niña-like configuration of the El Niño-Southern Oscillation patterns.[15] Although there is an extreme scarcity of data from Australia (for both the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age) evidence from wave built shingle terraces for a permanently full Lake Eyre during the ninth and tenth centuries is consistent with this La Niña-like configuration, though of itself inadequate to show how lake levels varied from year to year or what climatic conditions elsewhere in Australia were like.
Adhikari and Kumon (2001) in investigating sediments in Lake Nakatsuna in central Japan have verified there the existence of both the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age.[16]
Even in the IPCC reports they describe Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MWP_and_LIA_in_IPCC_reports
Description of the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age in IPCC reports From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from MWP and LIA in IPCC reports) Jump to: navigation, search A selection of temperature reconstructions published between 1998 and 2005 A selection of temperature reconstructions published between 1998 and 2005
The description of the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age in IPCC reports has changed since the first report in 1990 as scientific understanding of the temperature record of the past 1000 years has improved. The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) and Little Ice Age (LIA) are the best-known temperature fluctuations in the last millenium.
Critics of the "hockey stick graph" of later reports have claimed that the record of the MWP and LIA were suppressed in the IPCC Third Assessment Report, although every report has discussed the phenomena.
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 5/27/2007 4:45:10 AM | Al Gore is NO scientist....
He completely ignore the Medieval Warm Period and the little ice age.
Al Gore is not a scientist and does not claim to be. He is a very well informed citizen who has weighed the scientific evidence, and has realized there are consequences for public policy which need to be addressed.
He does not "completely ignore" the Medieval Warm Period. I recommend the NOAA web page on this subject as background.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/medieval.html
OT - I can't post this limerick where it would be most appropriate, and it sort of fits here.
There once was a manure connoisseur Who searched for a heart that was pure. As she changed a flat tire She remarked "Life can inspire, But make yourself useful, dear sir." | |
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| Al Gore: An Inconvenient Truth Posted: 5/27/2007 10:04:09 AM | Oops. I thought niceguy was referencing "The Great Global Warming Swindle". Instead he was referencing this other "documentary" by Lars Mortensen - "Doomsday Called Off". This is a more credible program than GGWS, but it is a polemic and not at all balanced. The scientists cited are mostly arguing on topics where they are not experts, although John Christy of the University of Alabama is an exception.
But the rest of my comments stand. Except the limerick. Change "Life can inspire" to "Words can inspire", please. | |
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