| | Astral Projection, and Out of Body ExperiencesPage 1 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | anyone here ever experience astral projection or an out of body experience? please share.
i have had partial projections when i was younger about the age of 14. once while alseep i woke up, and could see everything in my room but i was completely paralyzed. then it felt like i was "sliding" upwards and slant outside of my body and i could see myself lying in the bed from a security camera type view.i was so terrified i snapped myself out of it and woke up. more recently, i experienced a full out of body experience when i dozed off with an azurite crsytal on my forehead. i 'awoke' to find myself looking at everything in my room from an odd angle floating above my bed and everything was glowing vibrantly somehow it didnt even look real but i knew it was my room. i could look around and seee familiar objects but they looked nothing like in real life, they were glowing and more 'intense'. when i looked down at my bed i didnt see my body but a glowing egg shape with different colors of light diffusing out of it. i have never tried to attempt astral projection it has only happened by accident but i was wondering if anyone here has had any success intentionally projecting out of body. any input is appreciated. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2007 1:35:00 PM | | I have had an OBE. It was the single most terrifying experience of my life, ad I would not wish it upon even my worst enemy. I'm not particularly fond of staring at my own unconscious body and feeling myself being pulled away from it. I happen to like being alive for the most part, and the OBE did not feel like a complement to my living experience. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2007 2:04:59 PM | Generally the first few times you achieve this it scares the crud out of you. Slamming back into the body with feelings of dizziness, vertigo, and even vomiting are common.
That feeling of paralysis is the state between being awake and being asleep. When you go to sleep your brain produces and releases a chemical that puts your body into a semi-paralysis state; otherwise you'd start acting out your dreams. Those that sleepwalk do not produce enough amounts of the chemical. (Darn it, I've forgotten the name of it...) | |
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Posted: 4/30/2007 3:30:11 PM | The thing that happened to me was long before I'd ever heard of OBEs or astral anywhatsit...
it was so beyond words that it took me years before I told anyone... certainly a life-changing experience... whatever it was... | |
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Posted: 4/30/2007 6:00:41 PM | I just did a search on astral projection, found a grand total of 2 threads, redundant????
It happened to me only once what an incredible feeling of lightness. It was spontaneous I hadn't tried to have one. I didn't stay out very long and didn't leave the room. | |
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mak68
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Posted: 4/30/2007 7:16:29 PM | Sure it's based on something intangible??
Could it be some form of physical or chemical reaction within the brain...
Here's an article I posted recently in another thread in another forum. Possiblility of OBE being something like this??
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/09/19/coolsc.outofbody/index.html
Neurology researchers in Switzerland report the case of a woman who described "floating above her own body and watching herself" while she was undergoing testing and treatment for epilepsy. The strange experience only occurred when one particular part of her brain, the angular gyrus in the right cortex, was stimulated with an electrode. And it happened every time the angular gyrus was stimulated. | |
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Posted: 4/30/2007 8:18:17 PM | ^^^^that is most fascinating. But how does the "angular gyrus in the right cortex" become stimulated without an electrode? How does a person slip into this state?
I've been told by many that is was a terrifying experience, and some have become terrified of falling asleep. Others have told me that it is the most peaceful experience.
I've often wondered how so many people can have the same experience, yet two wildly different reactions. I have noticed that those who accept this as just another facet of being human are the ones who find this experience awe inspiring and spiritual in nature.
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mak68
| | Joined: 4/14/2007
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Posted: 4/30/2007 10:24:29 PM | ^^^^that is most fascinating. But how does the "angular gyrus in the right cortex" become stimulated without an electrode? How does a person slip into this state?
Very good question, and I wish I had a solid, evidence-backed answer for you, unfortunately I don't. What I can do is offer food for thought, in that I think it may be possible that if some of the electric "currents", I believe they're called synapsis, travel throughout the brain may malfunction in that part of the brain, the angular gyrus.
Perhaps something similar to when an epileptic has a seizure, the currents in the brain go "haywire" and produce the seizure. I find it pretty curious that an electrode produced this effect in the patient, that is why my best guess would be synaptic (electric) impulses within the brain possibly producing this effect. What is known thus far is that a physical influence can produce this effect.
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most fascinating. But how does the "angular gyrus in the right cortex" become stimulated without an electrode?
What the doctor who performed the tests had to say, from here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2266740.stm
Professor Blanke told BBC News Online that out of body sensations may be caused by an overactive angular gyrus. Alternatively, the electrical stimulation might actually have depressed activity in the area.
He said it was impossible to rule out possibility that other areas of the brain were also involved.
He said there was no evidence to suggest that out-of-body experiences were linked to epilepsy.
"OBEs have been reported in neurological patients with epilepsy, migraine and after cerebral strokes, but they also appear in healthy subjects.
I've been told by many that is was a terrifying experience, and some have become terrified of falling asleep. Others have told me that it is the most peaceful experience.
Epileptics may tell you the samething of their seizures, or not even remembering it.
I've often wondered how so many people can have the same experience, yet two wildly different reactions.
Reactions like that are probably emotionally based, that can be somewhat unpredictable.
I have noticed that those who accept this as just another facet of being human are the ones who find this experience awe inspiring and spiritual in nature.
Ingest some peyote. You may start to feel very spiritual, or even pot..
People on LSD have claimed to speak with god, and found that to be quite a spiritual experience. Is it so outside the realm of possibility that a physical effect can produce feelings of spirituality?
Something for your perusal, or anyone else for that matter:
http://www.maps.org/media/vedantam.html
a small excerpt:
In Philadelphia, a researcher discovers areas of the brain that are activated during meditation. At two other universities in San Diego and North Carolina, doctors study how epilepsy and certain hallucinogenic drugs can produce religious epiphanies. And in Canada, a neuroscientist fits people with magnetized helmets that produce "spiritual" experiences for the secular. The work is part of a broad effort by scientists around the world to better understand religious experiences, measure them, and even reproduce them. Using powerful brain imaging technology, researchers are exploring what mystics call nirvana, and what Christians describe as a state of grace. Scientists are asking whether spirituality can be explained in terms of neural networks, neurotransmitters and brain chemistry.
one more:
http://psychologytoday.com/conditions/hallucinogens.html
Hallucinogenic drugs have played a role in human life for thousands of years. Various cultures from the tropics to the arctic have used plants to induce states of detachment from reality, to precipitate "visions," to provide mystical insight, as medicines, and during social and religious rituals. Included in these naturally occurring substances are: mescaline from the peyote cactus plant, as well as ibogaine, psilocybin or psilocin found in certain mushrooms, known as magic mushrooms. These plants contain chemical compounds that are structurally similar to serotonin, and they produce their effects by disrupting normal functioning of the serotonin system. After the development of LSD, a synthetic compound that can be manufactured anywhere, abuse of hallucinogens became more widespread, and from the 1960s on, it increased dramatically.
So feelings of spirituality can be reproduced physically through drug use, but now we may even be able to find the area in the brain that produces this effect and how it works. | |
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Botis
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Posted: 5/1/2007 12:35:57 AM | I had just one, many years ago and it completely changed my life. I was going through a very nasty divorce, was very young and very emotional, and one night I was sitting in the easy chair in the corner of my livingroom ... alone in the house. I got out of the chair, walked into the middle of the room and turned and looked back at myself still sitting in the chair. And what I saw sitting there in the chair, wallowing in self-pity, completely disgusted me. From that point on I began healing and pulling myself out of one of the lowest points in my life. And I remember it vividly, three decades later. I can still see myself sitting in the chair, the old beat-up fabric on the arms of the chair and the trim molding around the door frame, directly to the right of me.
To this day, I don't know if it was real or just something my mind put together to help me. But I do know it was something I've yet to forget.
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Posted: 5/1/2007 2:23:03 AM |
^^^^that is most fascinating. But how does the "angular gyrus in the right cortex" become stimulated without an electrode? How does a person slip into this state?
thats interesting to ponder. what id also like to know is how is it possible that people can intentionally induce such an experience? is it possible that maybe the brain isnt going "haywire" from this at all ; maybe its just a previously unused neural process that enables the human mind to experience that which is beyond the body. either way these experiences for me have definately rearranged what i previously thought was real. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 5:29:36 AM | I have my little theory on that. When you think That we use only about 10% of our brain capacity, what would happen if we used the full potential.
What we now call supernatural would become very natural if we used our brain to it's full capacity.
The brain is uncharted territory, a lot of studies are on going, but there's still way more to explore.
So yes it wouldn't surprise me that Obe's are caused by a few percentages more being temporarily tapped into. Like esp, levitation, etc. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 11:45:43 AM | | actually we do really use more than 10% of our brains, thats a popular misconception, but there is VAST and i mean really vast amounts of unlocked potential within the human mind that has yet to be explored by many. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 12:57:08 PM |
Neurology researchers in Switzerland report the case of a woman who described "floating above her own body and watching herself" while she was undergoing testing and treatment for epilepsy. The strange experience only occurred when one particular part of her brain, the angular gyrus in the right cortex, was stimulated with an electrode. And it happened every time the angular gyrus was stimulated.
I also agree that is fascinating stuff. But to me it merely shows the scientific physical reaction to what's occurring during the experience. Same as with the scientific explanation of deja vu. (Being one eye is sending visual information a split second faster to the brain than the other eye) It may explain what is happening during the experience to our bodies, but it still leaves alot of unanswered questions.
Not that I'm 'knocking it', science and sprituality can gain much from each other when used together. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 1:57:31 PM |
I have my little theory on that. When you think That we use only about 10% of our brain capacity, what would happen if we used the full potential.
What we now call supernatural would become very natural if we used our brain to it's full capacity.
The brain is uncharted territory, a lot of studies are on going, but there's still way more to explore.
So yes it wouldn't surprise me that Obe's are caused by a few percentages more being temporarily tapped into. Like esp, levitation, etc.
That 10% thing is a myth, actually. Check it out on snopes.com. The best way to put it is that, if 90% of our brains were useless meat, why is a head injury: any head injury, to any part of the brain, a crippling and even permanently debilitating event? If so much of it was unused, one could theoretically walk around with half their head blown off (50%) and still be ok, as there'd be another 40% unused.
Granted, we don't know everything about how the brain works. But it isn't some vast, unused glob of grey matter: it's more like a puzzle, where every region has a specific function. Not all of it is in use at once (which would be impossible. How could the part of your brain that dreams and the part that actively controls your muscles interact while you're awake? Scary stuff if it did). Sometimes, parts of it only seem to 'activate' for certain disorders like epilepsy or autism. But the notion that, with all the stuff our brains do, there is a vast pile of it untouched is simply untrue. There are a lot of bits that we're not sure how they work, and a few that we don't really know what they do, but they do something. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 3:17:54 PM | | i think many people are confusing, astral projection.....with sleep catalepsy....not the same thing.....but if anybody is really interested in this subject type up the name alex tanous.....thats all i have to say | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 3:44:35 PM | It's not so much that the brain has unused parts but they don't know what they're for yet.
I saw somewhere that to build a computer as sophisticated as the human brain you would need to build it 25 story's high.
I had the sleep catalepsy happen to me a few times now that wasn't so much fun.
skypoetone; Yes it can there are tons of books on the subject even online documentation,
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mak68
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Posted: 5/1/2007 4:17:57 PM |
thats interesting to ponder. what id also like to know is how is it possible that people
can intentionally induce such an experience?
I don't think I've ever heard of somebody being able to induce this, I suppose it could be possible, perhaps regulating breathing a certain way, relaxation techniques, those might help induce it, but I can't say for sure. Apparently OBE is a rather new phenomenon and still requires scrutiny, just as exploring the capabilities of the brain. Seems they should go hand in hand. If the sound of Mary Hart's (from Entertainment Tonight) voice can set off epileptic fits in someone, it's quite possible many things in the physical could trigger OBE.
is it possible that maybe the brain isnt going "haywire" from this at all ; maybe its just a previously unused neural process that enables the human mind to experience that which is beyond the body.
All we know is that when an electrode sends a current to that part of the brain, it sets off the OBE effect. This indicates to me physical stimulation from either outside the brain (electrode), and/or from within (activity, synapsis) could produce this effect.
either way these experiences for me have definately rearranged what i previously thought was real.
If I may ask, in what way? | |
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mak68
| | Joined: 4/14/2007
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Posted: 5/1/2007 4:28:49 PM | I also agree that is fascinating stuff. But to me it merely shows the scientific physical reaction to what's occurring during the experience.
Well, to me, in the above article, it is a reaction to physical stimulation, that's it. We know that various drugs can also effect the brain in an unordinary manner, hallicinations for example. If you take PCP (Angel Dust), you may very well see little gremlins that aren't there in reality. Strobe lights setting off epileptic seizures. It's all about physical stimulation. Either from outside, or inside the brain.
Same as with the scientific explanation of deja vu.(Being one eye is sending visual information a split second faster to the brain than the other eye). Now there's another can of worms.
It may explain what is happening during the experience to our bodies, but it still leaves alot of unanswered questions.
To be sure, but that is what science is all about, getting to the truth of things.
Not that I'm 'knocking it', science and sprituality can gain much from each other when used together.
And I'm not knocking spiritual feelings, I find a lot of the times they make people a little more pleasant than normal. | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 10:25:45 PM | To be sure, but that is what science is all about, getting to the truth of things.
speaking of which, Swiss scientists discovered the right angular gyrus is the reason for OBE and deep meditation. If there is an increase of electrical stimulation to that section of the brain (located just behind the ear and in a deep tissue section) cause the event to occur.
http://education.vsnl.com/nimbkar/phycons.html
incidently, i would like to see if this can occur w/o drugs or invasive surgery | |
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Posted: 5/1/2007 11:48:31 PM | | I read alot about that when I was in highschool my friend and her sister did it every day......I always used to come close I would get paralyzed and get frightened so I would snap myself out of it.......Although it seems scary I read it happends every time you have a dream...Kinda like those dreams when you are like wow that seemed to be sooooo real. I don't like it though there are dangers when doing it conscious such as evil or bad spirits messing with your body. I read somewhere that you can get possessed which is why I always stopped it from happening although if I can ever pass that fear I bet it will be pretty cool. If anyone find out it is totaly safe I would like the link to the website. I read it is a form of meditation and you can actually teleport in a flash to anywhere it is really cool stuff I also read somewhere you can get a glimpse of your future if you know what you are doing and it is by far real. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 1:10:51 AM | WoW after reading this page I am staying away and preventing it from happening to me......
http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/astral_projection.htm
Everyone especially
Christians should read it | |
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mak68
| | Joined: 4/14/2007
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Posted: 5/2/2007 2:05:38 AM |
WoW after reading this page I am staying away and preventing it from happening to me......
http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/astral_projection.htm
Do you believe everything you read? | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 8:48:31 AM | WoW after reading this page I am staying away and preventing it from happening to me......
http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/astral_projection.htm
*twitch* *twitch* I love how most of the articles dont even have authors or even a creditable church to back them up. of course next to OBE are articles about vampires in scotland, and how harry potter is of the devil. Too bad the Catholic Church cleared HP of any demon worshiping or occult recruiting | |
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