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| | Does God exist? [Thread Closed]Page 1 of 245 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41) | As a person open to views about the Universe and about God I was wondering....
As far as we know the big bang happened and we were all created from Matter. From my old school Matter won over ant-matter and then Billions of years later were here.
Thing is if God exists then so does the Devil. Where do they live? Where is Heaven? Is it beyond our universe? If so why is it so big if we cant go to Mars whats the point in making Billions of stars and equal galaxies.
Imagine you die....you have no body or brain anymore, you exsist as matter, as Einstien said were all made of it and so is the universe so you never die. But he didnt believe in god. So that makes no sense.
If you die then you will never know about time, never eat another apple, never use the PC again, never do the things we all do know in the physical. Its weird to think about it but its kind of scary.
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/2/2007 12:43:06 PM | probly not...we will wake up day with a sign hanging over the sun that say...sorry for the misunderstanding - God
to quantify a superbeing that has the time to watch over all of us seems unlikely. Whats interesting to note is that if you look at history monotheism is has only been around for 2,000 or so years (give or take). While some christians think they have the monopoly on faith, polytheism is alive and well in other countries and has existed long before Jesus was walking around.
the egyptians had their gods for over 8,000 years. whose to say that isnt right?
as far as a higher power is concerned, I can fathom the idea. to say he sits on a cloud and throws strikes down people who he gets ticked off, not likely. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 12:47:49 PM | I'm sure there is a higher being but personally I don't think He has anything to do with creating us. I'm a big believer of evolution esp. since the day I saw the early embryonic stages of animals and humans in 8th grade. But then most people have made it a "chicken and the egg" theory too. So, I'll just leave it to that.
There is no proof that a higher being exists. So, no one will be able to prove it. Unless you count those crazy preachers on TV who go on and on about God healing a cancer patient and some one being possesed by a demon.
I think there is someone out there. But He has no religion and He does not preach hate. But I can't prove it. It's just blind faith on my part and I'm willing to accept I'm illogical when it comes to this. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 2:13:06 PM | We all have different names for "God" but principals/laws/rules/ethics of religion throughout remain relatively the same. These laws express an order we know by many names but I will call it "God" for it matters not either way.
Newtons 3rd law defines: For every action is an equal and opposite reaction
This is the order that is life....
Would you agree that Karma reinforces the above scientific principal? Would you agree Ying and Yang is the same thing as the above ideologies in principal? Would you agree that most religions share a common set of conduct rules for what is right and wrong? Would it be safe to say that the variables are always the same and the effects we have on them in this life make change of effect regardless of what we do as defined by the butterfly effect? Life is kinetics the constant movement of energy which has cause and effect which is constantly governed by order even in extreme events of chaos. This principal and common order of all is known as God under many names. Call It what you will but the principals remain very much the same.
So would it be safe to say that if most religions share a common set of rules? We would define these rules by consensus ethics, morality, law, and society. It's merely what is known as an acceptance of terms. We often lose focus on the petty things in life instead of excepting what is for certain. Every little good thing we do with our time can unleash an avalanche of good throughout the world. Consider that even a simple bolt maker makes it possible to build a car and help people get around. Every good thing we do makes a difference.
Blessed is the man who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed - Alexander Pope
One word frees us of all the weight and pain in life. That word is love. - Sophocles
Understanding is the key to peace - Albert Einstein
All good things come with sacrifice... John 3:16 would define this
Just remember that all that matters in this world is our health, family, and friends... the rest is just something that someone is trying to sell you. If you followed the basic principals of religion you'd die a very happy man. Just accept what is and make the best of it. Theoretically even if you called this order by the wrong name the results you make have the same effect in this thing we know as life, and in a way through our actions regardless we live on forever anyhow. Each moment is our last for every action we make lasts on forever.
Love is all we have in the end, which is forever.....
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/2/2007 4:01:40 PM | Thats funny i just ate an apple then went on the computer.......seriously.
Anyway, i was reading someones profile and this was there favourite quote.............
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"
They kind of messed up the quote so i looked it up and found this...............
The biblical parallel to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is found in the following verse:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them "(Matthew 7:12).
http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/sayings.html#others
From what ive read, the old testament sayings have been misunderstood........
"An eye for an eye" means the opposite......If you take an eye from someone then an eye will be taken from you, in this life or the next. If you beleive Reincarnation/Karma to be true of course.
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/2/2007 4:59:26 PM | So far, there has been no definative proof that god exists anywhere outside of men's minds.
Therefore god is simply put, a state of mind.
I wonder if we as individuals, were never exposed to the idea of god, would ever create that idea for ourselves without some form of outside influence. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 5:53:17 PM | god did not create man in his image, man created god in his. although...
I do like the idea that god is a biploar/boarderline personality woman who only created us to look down on us and feel more confident about herself.
Also if there is a god, there's gota be more. I'm sure when they were pulling straws to see who governs which solar system, ours pulled the short straw to look over our sorry butts. | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 7:08:54 PM |
Thing is if God exists then so does the Devil.
Why? That's a heck of an assumption, IMO. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/2/2007 8:01:55 PM | to answer the ?, we should first define God - I'll take the easy route and look for it in a dictionary -
noun [S not after the]
(in especially Christian, Jewish and Muslim belief) the being which made the universe, the Earth and its people and is believed to have an effect on all things
ok, so if God is in the dictionary, then at least he/she exists as an idea - the thing is, this idea of God has changed an almost infinite amount of times over the course of human history. I am not a History major, but I believe myself correct in stating that the Ancient Greeks and the Aztecs (just to name a few) had an endless pantheon of Gods. The idea of God as we know it today has itself evolved over many, many years
what if, for example, the Aztecs somehow managed to defeat the Old World regime and keep (even spread) their system of Gods? what would the majority of the population be worshipping today? hmmm...interesting ?, and it makes me want to pose even more hypothetical ?s
bottom line is this - God as we know him/her today is only the current trend, and will be significantly different in the distant future depending on who conquers who and what ideals are forced unto others
I believe man made God, out of ignorance and fear | |
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Posted: 5/2/2007 9:33:10 PM |
to answer the ?, we should first define God
EXACTLY...therein lies the problem.
Does _____ exist? But of course. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2007 8:53:09 AM | | I think God's existance is entirely dependent on one's beliefs. Personally, I don't believe there is a God. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2007 9:07:09 AM | But does it matter? Say, one whole-heartedly agrees and follows everything the bible says. But he/she also insists that the so-called 'God' ONLY represents a body of knowledge accumulated through centuries of scholarly work.
Clearly, the actual physical existence of 'God' doesn't matter to this person. Why does it matter to us so much? Do we want a whole bunch of hypocrats who prey with the loudest voice and then turn around to commit the most horrific crime against children, or do we want this fictitous person? That ought to prove God's existence is NO LONGER essential. It's GOd's teaching that is essential. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/3/2007 9:09:22 AM | Something of a pointless question actually. God[s] are a matter of faith. By their very nature; they cannot be defined in an objective, scientific fashion, as that would entail the application of testable definitions, and thus limits. A defined, limited god is no longer a god.
This therefore creates [or should create] three basic camps:
The gnostic, who will believe, regardless of any "evidence"
The atheist, who will disbelieve, regardless of any "evidence"
The agnostic, who will be guided by the evidence [although there can be none either way]
Thus, the only one who can answer the question is the one asking it. They are the only one whose criteria apply.
Apart from that, some of the OP's ponderings just don't make much sense. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2007 9:46:18 AM | After skimming through the thread a few things must be considered:
If there is an omnipotent god then there can be no counter weight (devil). If a counter weight exists then god isn't omnipotent. So there's a clear contradiction. (I'm not familiar with Judaism and Islam's take on the devil, and so my point reflects on Christianity). Contradictions can only be accepted through faiht. Faith isn't based on reality and therefore it's counterproductive.
I'm an Atheist but I do respect Deism for the fact it's the only view point explaining the existence of a god that appears rational. I've noticed the other major Christian sects have adopted some characteristics of Deism, or maybe it's just individual thinkers I've known outside of the mainstream of their respected sects. What I find interesting about Deists purport is that there is a rational order to the world. Everything involves a cycle (think nature). It's hard to accept that a rational existence came by chance. But although Deism presents a good argument I can't accept the belief but rather just consider it since I need tangible evidence for an existence of a god. However, that brings up another problem. Would I be able to recognize evidence of the existence of a god in any shape or form? My mind wouldn't be able to grasp it if such a god exists. I have a poorly though out theory that if there is a god it will be proven through mathematics. Mathematics is the language of the universe and the basis of logic. I suck at math so I wouldn't be the one opening up and locked doors
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Posted: 5/3/2007 12:16:03 PM | It may be of interest to some: religious groups tried to force Einstein to 'come clean' regarding his "stand" on religion. Here's the story I read:
His theory on relativity is an (extraordinary) extension of classical mechanics. It has to adopt one of its central theses, determinism. As was worked out so beautifully by him, Einstein does not believe in chance (so, resulted in great debates with the quantum theoriests). But he claimed himself a very regligious person. Yet, he insisted that - "if the God we prey consumed all days monitoring everyday's account of human affairs and the loyalty of his creation based on his philosophy, then he/she will not be my God." The formation of nature, universe is a miracle to the genuius (and all). The mechanism of that creation is his God. Of course, we are part of that grand (and continuing) formation. When narrow it down to our species, recent studies in neural science suggests that clashes in reglious beliefs (from mild form of idea debates to extremitism) may one day be understood as manifestation of 'plasticity' of the human brain. For thees reasons, I am still very puzzled by the relevance of the subject... But of course, scentifically, it would be an interest investigation of the existence of such a 'being.' Once we reach there, inevitably, we are going to ask the same: who's beind God? I mean scientifically... | |
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Posted: 5/3/2007 2:42:28 PM | Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed...
When we die we continue to exist on a different plain...
There is a "higher being, I suppose... But somehow I doubt we were made in his/her likeness... | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/3/2007 4:12:27 PM |
Where do they live? Where is Heaven? Is it beyond our universe?
The answer is easy Barewolf, they are all living just outside the reach of man's understanding of the universe. For instance in ancient times it was thought the stars were the light from heaven and hell of course was just under the earth. The earth from which molten lava spills when there was a breach in the gates of hell. (By the way this problem was easily solved by offering saiten a little sacrifice.) Now that man has proved this is not the case and the earth is in fact round, they all got up and moved. They will always remain at the edge of our understand and capacity to comprehend the universe. As we take a step forward in our understanding they will of course take a step back. So that they stay just outside the reach reason but within the reach of our ignorance. Yes this is also where the boogey man lives too.
If I state a premise it has no basis in fact unless I provide PROOF. But somehow heaven and hell along with the lords of those paces are exempt from PROOF. After all it is a matter of FAITH.
What is FAITH??
Faith: belief that is not based on proof.
but
Ignorance: lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.
See some similarities?
So if Faith -> Ignorance then can anybody use any sense of logic to prove god exists. The answer time and again is NO. (I know there is bunch of you who thinks you can provide proof, but after a long argument will come back to the same thing. “Its a matter of Faith”)
Now we come to the wonderful counter argument "prove that my imagination is not real". In truth I cant. But if you provide enough details I can poke it full of holes.
How about a hypercritical. If I told you have disease that will kill you in exactly 3 days and there is no one on earth that can prove that you don't. What do you do? Live as if you were going to die in 3 days? I think not. You would demand proof or ignore it as ramblings of a mad man. This would be the reasonable thing to do. Then why not when it comes to god? 
Oh, 1louiscyfer you say
we continue to exist on a different plain... . As what? Energy? If you are saying you are moving on to another plain as energy, then from the perspective of this plane the energy that makes you up is disappearing (IE: being destroyed). Is this not in contradiction of your premise ("Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed...")?
 Ok, everyone I put to sleep, WAKE UP!
Just in case anybody does have proof that god exists (NOT FAITH BUT PROOF). I would LOVE to hear it. | |
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/3/2007 6:06:48 PM | All matter and energy is made up of the same subatomic particles.
All matter and energy are interchangable given the right circustances.
Some force holds these particles together and gives them form.
To me, that signifies an existence of some type of "god".....but I'm a bit of a head case. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2007 6:46:19 PM | to ask 'Does god exist?'....one must first ask 'why do we [and our universe] exist?'
........ask yourself if we (or if matter that we are comprised of) orchestrated our(its) own existence!............if your answer is YES, then you will be forced to come up with an 'air-tight' explanation as to what the impetus is(was) for that to occur and the reason for it!!!!.................if your answer is NO then you automatically deferred it to a creator! | |
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Posted: 5/3/2007 7:14:59 PM | Your own belief is apparent in that post. It is logically flawed. It assumes that two things falsely:
The argument assumes that existence MUST be intentional ["orchestrated"]. There's no reason to believe that is so. It is an assumption which arises from a need to have a concrete and understandable explanation.
The second false assumption is a that an "air-tight" explanation is required. That is ludicrous. The alternative is certainly not air-tight. You can't prove any gods exist, you cannot prove they are directly responsible for anything. In fact, you need not prove anything - you can simply say "the gods made it so". You are saying, in essence, that the alternative to incomplete evidence is to choose no evidence at all!
This seems to be the entire reason for belief in deities of any sort - to provide an understandable explanation for things which cannot be explained [at present]. Throughout history, "the gods" have been an explanation for a vast number of things we can now explain scientifically. The irony is, invoking God as an explanation doesn't actually help - you have just created an explanation which is by definition greater and more complex than the universe. If you can't explain or understand everything in the universe, how do you explain God? | |
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Posted: 5/3/2007 7:23:30 PM | | YES....Next question and topic!! | |
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Posted: 5/3/2007 7:41:55 PM | She and He do exist. I pray to a Goddess and God.
That is what I believe, but there is always room for
other ideas and beliefs.
What I do believe is that they do have involvement in our lives,
when we call for them to be present. I think of them as Parents
that stand by my choices, even when they disagree.
I also know that they listen, which is the most important thing to me.
I know that the Universe is a very large place, but like all Parents, I know
that the God and Goddess see all their children as special and worthy
of equal attention. | |
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Posted: 5/3/2007 10:15:56 PM | lol
i believe, scotsman, that do unto others ... quote is mine lol
did i shave a few words from the 'old' lang. ,
please excuse me
the point is the same :)
we are miniscule
trying to fathom, even the biology of the body is mind-boggling,
science is making more discoveries, but mankind existed long before he could explain his existance
we are trying re-create it
yet there we are like toddlers playing in a mans world
the way we are screwing the environment, hm,
i fully expect our parents to come home soon & ...
new quote i like
we have not inherited our land from our fathers,
we are borrowing from our children
hm,
feel free to correct that quote too lol
don't know where i pull all these words from, hm,
they are manna for me
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/4/2007 12:07:41 AM | Imagine you die....you have no body or brain anymore, you exsist as matter, as Einstien said were all made of it and so is the universe so you never die. But he didnt believe in god. So that makes no sense.
I don't think your read you Einstien very well, he very much did beleive in God, but he didn't believe in heaven or hell as he knew our bodys where made up of 'Energy' not matter. True energy can never be created or destroyed, only transformed so that he beleived... and so do I, that when any life form, plant, insect animal or human dies the energy that makes every cell work doesn't go 'somewhere' like heaven or hell, it just goes back into the environment from where it came.
Honestly, we are all children of our Sun... The Egyptions where not to far off track to name the Sun 'Ra' the god of Gods, as we all would be nothing on this surface without the enrgy levels being just what they are.
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| Does God exist?
Posted: 5/4/2007 12:44:59 AM | NO... Next question and topic!!
Such a strong argument isn't it? I think its the exclamation points that does it. | |
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