| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 11:22:40 AM | I see alot of people round here denying themselves when it comes to their emotions, but mostly its hatred that gets a bad rap.
What is the problem with hating somebody exactly? If someone earns your hatred shouldn't you give it to them? Its a perfectly natural emotion, and it seems silly and harmful to deny it.
All well written and coherent thoughts are welcome. If you're just going to quote scripture to me from whatever source save it. I've heard it all and I don't care. I'd like some personal opinions and not a lazy copy/paste job. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 11:30:46 AM | What is the problem with hating somebody exactly? If someone earns your hatred shouldn't you give it to them? Its a perfectly natural emotion, and it seems silly and harmful to deny it.
True Hate:
To truly hate someone that's a deep emotion. Hate is it's such a deep and hardening emotion that if you can't deal with it correctly, than others suffer from it that shouldn't have to, and you yourself can become nothing more than a huge ***hole. Having said that, I have true hate towards only one individual and for extremely valid reasons...but I've nurtured my hate, understand my hate, it only pertains to that person, not those around him, I don't associate with him, and the hate I have for him doesn't reflect on anyone else around me.
If you can harvest true hate in a correct manner, than there is nothing wrong with it. If you can't..and you walk around like a loose fuse...that's when it's not a good thing. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 11:52:12 AM |
True Hate:
To truly hate someone that's a deep emotion. Hate is it's such a deep and hardening emotion that if you can't deal with it correctly, than others suffer from it that shouldn't have to, and you yourself can become nothing more than a huge ***hole. Having said that, I have true hate towards only one individual and for extremely valid reasons...but I've nurtured my hate, understand my hate, it only pertains to that person, not those around him, I don't associate with him, and the hate I have for him doesn't reflect on anyone else around me.
If you can harvest true hate in a correct manner, than there is nothing wrong with it. If you can't..and you walk around like a loose fuse...that's when it's not a good thing.
Absolutely agreed. Its important to be able to control and direct your emotions towards those who deserve it.
What I don't understand is why some don't let it out.
Oh, also to the person who called this a pity post, bite me. Its a legit discussion regarding one of the stronger human emotions. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 11:58:01 AM | | First of all, hatred of any kind is like a cancer on your soul, so I'd feel it sparingly. Individual hatred, if someone hurt your child for instance, is normal. The problem arises, in my mind, when hate becomes organized and directed. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 12:01:10 PM |
What I don't understand is why some don't let it out.
Several reasons I would assume. Perhaps they fear if they let it out they can't control it..so it's best to not even allow hate to emerge. Or perhaps it goes against their religious beleifs? I know in christianity you are suppose to surrender to God, that means surrunder your negativity, hate, etc. And if you project hate or are a hateful person, you aren't fully surrendering yourself to God. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 12:03:18 PM | Does it really mean that though?
I mean if God is perfect wouldn't he, she, or it understand and accept our little foibles in that case? | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 12:09:44 PM | What is the problem with hating somebody exactly? If someone earns your hatred shouldn't you give it to them? Its a perfectly natural emotion, and it seems silly and harmful to deny it.
What a wonderful question.
I personally don't feel the world needs any more hate in it. Hate is easy to do, it requires a reaction to perceived slight without much thought. Hate is what that nasty person is dishing out to you and if you don't like it, then why give them back the same or more? I have found that reacting to a hateful person in a kind and loving manner tends to either difuse their anger or upset them on a deeper level then if I were to display hatred back. In this mixed up world, the majority of people want and wish for kindness but expect to be dissed.
In the world of physics like attracts like and opposite polarities repel. I find that with people too. The happier and kinder I am, the more I meet like minded people.
Truly; love is and should be unconditional. This makes it one of the hardest things to accomplish. That is my personal mount everest, to truly love all the peoples of this beautiful nursery we call earth.
JMO
DD | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 12:17:28 PM |
I mean if God is perfect wouldn't he, she, or it understand and accept our little foibles in that case?
This is the same argument that if God is perfect, and god loves us and wants us happy why is it wrong if we indulge in sex with someone we love if we aren't married to them? I'm not saying its a wrong argument...I'm just saying it's the same argument.
have found that reacting to a hateful person in a kind and loving manner tends to either difuse their anger or upset them on a deeper level then if I were to display hatred back. In this mixed up world, the majority of people want and wish for kindness but expect to be dissed.
I agree...I enjoy being "extra nice" to those that are angry people...it makes them even more angry. But, anger is seperate from hate...they are two seperate issues. Also, holding hate against someone for something they did to you and acting on hate against someone that did something to you are also two seperate things. You can feel hate for someone and not physically act on it.
Someone that was cheated on by their girlfriend, or someone that lost money in the stock market due to a bad lead, I could understand someone saying you really shouldn't harbor hate over that. Afterall, it's kind of trivial in life. But, if someones son was murdered, or someone was raped...I can sit back and say that hate is justified, and can understand where that hate comes from..I just hope that in that case they can harbor their hate correctly and not act on it in return.Hoe that makes sense. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 12:34:37 PM | Hatred is an emotion of intense revulsion, distaste, enmity, or antipathy for a person, thing, or phenomenon, generally attributed to a desire to avoid, restrict, remove, or destroy the hated object. Hatred is also among the most common emotions that humans experience. It can be based on fear of an object or past negative consequences of dealing with that object. Hatred is often described as the opposite of love or friendship; others, such as Elie Wiesel, consider the opposite of love to be indifference. People may feel conflicting and complicated emotions or thoughts involving hate, as in a love-hate relationship.
Often the verb "to hate" is used casually to describe things one merely dislikes, such as a particular style of architecture, a certain climate, one's job, some particular food, or people who claim to hate something when they in fact merely dislike it.
"Hatred" is also used to describe feelings of prejudice, bigotry or condemnation (see shunning) against a person, or a group of people, such as racism, and intense religious or political prejudice. The term hate crime is used to designate crimes committed out of hatred in this sense.
According to evolutionary psychologists, hate is a rational reaction to people whose interests consistently conflict with one's own. Hate is an emotion, hence it serves the protective mode of a person. People whose behavior threatens one's own survival interests are to be hated, while people whose behavior enhances one's survival prospects are to be liked or even loved (as in the case of offspring and other genetic kin).
The passions of hate arise from several features of our thinking process. These include wanting to assign blame to others for our misfortune, protecting our self-esteem, a desire to strengthen our community, alleviating our fears (by destroying the evil others), and several types of errors in reasoning, including cognitive bias. The ability to quickly separate friend from foe is essential to self-defense and safety and provides the origins of hate [1].
Also, the feelings of hate can arise unexpectedly. If one has experienced maltreatment in the past, it is proven that one is more likely to maltreat and learn to dislike or "hate" people before they get to know the person. This is shown clearly in the pattern of people who are abused, ignored, neglected, or maltreated by their parents, and those children's tendency to become abusive or angry.
good old wikipedia
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We the people of this planet have justified Hate for at least as long as written history and look how well that has turned out. We want and indeed expect others to understand our reactions to events but we don't feel the need to understand how a hateful person came to be that way. I did not walk in that hateful persons shoes. I have no idea how horrendous life must be to them. I only know that hating them back will not help them to become a more loving and forgiving person. My past was full of hate and pain, given to me by people who's past was full of hate and pain. I chose to break this idiotic cycle, my children grew up with unconditional love. They in turn are loving most everyone they meet. Works for me. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 12:44:11 PM |
I chose to break this idiotic cycle, my children grew up with unconditional love. They in turn are loving most everyone they meet. Works for me.
And that's great if that's how you decide to raise your children. Me personally? I wouldn't encourage them to hate, but I won't surpress a normal reaction within themselves either. But rather sit down and discuss with them why they feel how they do, how they feel it helps them and what they can do to get past it. Nothing is as strong as an open dialogue. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 12:55:57 PM | Sweettreat; I couldn't agree with you more dear lady. Understanding, communication, and acceptance are key components to raising a happy child. I would argue that those same components would drastically improve planetary conditions when applied to all peoples.
DD | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 1:22:48 PM | I understand what you're saying about using kindness against someone who's being a**** but isn't that in and of itself just showing them how much you dislike(or hate, if you will) them since you're only doing it to get under their skin?
Don't get me wrong, that's great, I do that too. I'm just not certain that there is a difference there.
I will respectfully disagree with you about trying to love everybody though. I can't do that. I feel it dilutes the real emotion for the people who truly deserve it from me. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 2:10:48 PM | | Well personally I don't beleive there is such a thing as "bad" when it comes to emotions. Feelings are just feelings...you can't help having them. How you act on those feelings dictates whether they become "bad" or "good". | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 2:14:43 PM |
I understand what you're saying about using kindness against someone who's being a**** but isn't that in and of itself just showing them how much you dislike(or hate, if you will) them since you're only doing it to get under their skin?
I'm not sure if it was I that you directed this to, or another. I did not say I did it to get under their skin as I find it distasteful to derive pleasure from anothers discomfort. I stated that I often found that being kind to hateful people did bother some of them. I will not be responsible for anothers reaction to an action of mine. I can only be accountable for my own actions and reactions.
I will respectfully disagree with you about trying to love everybody though. I can't do that. I feel it dilutes the real emotion for the people who truly deserve it from me.
I acknowledge your disagreement on this issue, however I fail to see any lessoning of my love for those I hold nearest and dearest. I do not fake loving people. I truly do love this planet and every living creation upon it. I love the universe, what little I have been given to see. I love that today this moment I am able to discuss love/hate with you. I find the while I realize for many this is a hard concept to grasp, never-the-less I hold it to be true.
 Life is good and its even better with massive doses of loving on top.
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 2:42:25 PM | Perhaps I am just a cold hearted **stard. Not the first time I've heard that, but I'm comfortable with the sentiment.
My friends and others I care about get nothing from the best from me, but tbh, I couldn't care less about others.
That's a whole other topic though.
I'm not sure if it was I that you directed this to, or another. I did not say I did it to get under their skin as I find it distasteful to derive pleasure from anothers discomfort. I stated that I often found that being kind to hateful people did bother some of them. I will not be responsible for anothers reaction to an action of mine. I can only be accountable for my own actions and reactions.
Oh, I so totally do. I'm an instigator at heart. Also, I've always felt that people who are hateful towards me aren't worthy of my kindness.
There's a saying that I've always liked, but obviously doesn't apply to every situation:
If a man smite you on one cheek, SMASH him on the other! Smite him hip and thigh! [...] Give blow for blow, scorn for scorn, doom for doom - with compound interest liberally added thereunto! [...] Make yourself a Terror to your adversary, and when he goeth his way, he will possess much additional wisdom to ruminate over. Thus shall you make yourself respected in all the walks of life, and your spirit [...] shall live, not in an intangible paradise, but in the brains and sinews of those whose respect you have gained."
Now obviously this can't be done in every situation, but if someone crosses me, they better watch out because I will have my vengeance. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 3:04:12 PM |
Perhaps I am just a cold hearted **stard.
I don't see you as a cold hearted anything. Young, curious, reactionary, but not coldhearted and I can't verify your legal liniage so can't comment on being a **stard. lol
If by 'respect' you mean justifiable fear of the person who has just smited me with compound interest, then yes you would have my 'respect' for your ability to do violence upon me.
Now obviously this can't be done in every situation, but if someone crosses me, they better watch out because I will have my vengeance.
Now if someone crosses my line of morality I will step up to the plate. I don't hate that person, however I will not allow their hate to harm me or mine, at least I will do my very best to stop them. I don't hate the earth for quaking or the winter wind for freezing my hiny off, but I do try to get the heck out of the way and/or get warm.
DD | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 4:52:53 PM | Wow! Great thread Anthonyone (almost my namesake)
I'm not one for hatred, but that's not to say some don't deserve it. Rather than hate people I hate what they stand for... this can be religions that regurgitate the self-edification doctrines. The mindless incriminations of it are appalling. I hate violence with a passion, and its god justifies violence then has the audacity to denounce it. This I will always hate with a passion.
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 6:03:50 PM | The problem with hate is that it is generally poorly directed.
Hate is often applied to large sections of the population without regard for individual differences or even individuals at all.
Someone who hates Japanese people for instance would automatically discredit or even attempt to commit harm on one who has done nothing wrong or crossed them in any way. This is not a healthy way to live as it causes unnecessary conflict and destroys productive opportunities.
Hate when directed at a specific person can cause you to say or do things that cast you in a bad light. People don't like negative people unless they share the same negativity toward something. If you hated a co-worker for instance and talked bad behind his back repeatedly, your other co-workers would probably like you a lot less and wonder what you are saying about THEM unless they agreed with your sentiments.
In a modern society there is very little productive use of hatred and if you can diffuse your own hatred, you will probably be MORE productive and happy. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 7:46:15 PM | if you define hate as an intense emotion, then it will need to express itself quickly. forget who you are hating (in terms of dwelling on him/her) and take care of yourself. if you act upon hate you can end up in a very bad situtation for the rest of your life. if you hang onto hate, it becomes bitterness and consumes your own energy which is needed for positive things for "yourself". if you can say you once hated someone, felt but not acted upon the hate, have labeled them "toxic" and conducted yourself in a manner to eradicate their presence from your life w/o any act of violence either toward them or toward yourself (short of necessary self-defense), then you have forgiven them.
forgive means to let go. it does not mean they were right or worthy and in fact they may be heinous. that is why you let them go. if they did anything worthy of "reporting" , then do so and again remove yourself as quickly as possible or else you drown in the negative energy. let him/her drown in it. you deserve to move on and get some of the love that's scattered around if you remain focused on self-care. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/10/2007 7:54:00 PM | It isn't really healthy to hate...
I know you don't want cut n paste stuff, but it's just a little anonymous quote which I believe...
"Hate is like battery acid, it corrodes the container in which it is held."
Turning hate into compassion and forgiveness does more for your well being...
Now obviously this can't be done in every situation, but if someone crosses me, they better watch out because I will have my vengeance
What goes around comes around...
Live out of vengence and you will most likely die out of vengence...
Not to sound too much like a clip from the Last of the Mohicans, but the heart of war for peace is twisted, it would turn itself into what twisted it. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/11/2007 1:29:22 AM | | Well to me, hatred is a lot like love; so far it has only be temporary. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/11/2007 8:12:42 AM | | Hatred is a product of anger that has it's roots in deep emotional pain. There's nothing wrong with feeling angry when someone has hurt you. Hatred in any form is destructive mis-directed anger. While it is predominantly destructive to those on the receiving end of it - ultimately it will destroy the one projecting it. Like an untreated cancer. | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/11/2007 9:32:44 AM | This is the thing...we are all energy...we all feed off one another...we can all be traced back to one person somewhere in sub-hara africa.
We show up as images of light on infared...we have heat signatures....the body human is beautiful on infared...brilliant shades of green and red, blue, yellow...we almost look like a great big green and red blob...
So what does that have to do with hatred?
Well, try putting batteries into a flashlight backwards....does it work or does it produce a negative charge, not allowing the flashlight to come on?
Lets say the batteries stay like that for 4 months inside the flashlight and one day your lights go out. When you realize what you did and turn the batteries to the right side the batteries will not be nearly as strong and will probably work for 20 minutes than conk out on you.
We are energy. What your feeling, what you are thinking is radiated on to you and whoever you come in contact with. Ever watch a soccer game? The home team wins, the fans go crazy...one person gets out of control and like literally out of no where the soccer field is filled with thousands of un-controllable fans...
All over energy
So yeah....you can go ahead and hate....get all stewed up on the inside...end up giving yourself cancer, and heart disease...pass that energy on to your family whenever you are present so they can take it back to their children who take it to school who give it to the teachers who give it to their family who gives it to the clerk at walmart who takes it back to her family and it just continues and continues, and continues until the very fiber and inter-workings of the human psyche are infected with hatred and ill-will. Which takes a toll on the body, affects chemicals in the brain, sends messages to the carcenageous cells in your body to activite.
Where as if you let it go, you are no longer carrying that negative energy, which allows for positive ions to attach to other positive ions...and harmony to grow...
Think about it people
Diva | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/11/2007 9:38:18 AM | ^^^ That is an awsome post! I couldn't agree more...
Smile often! | |
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| Regarding Hatred.
Posted: 5/11/2007 9:42:37 AM | I don't know that hate really exists.
I think the term is valid enough, but I don't know that it a true emotion.
I would wager that underlying emotions such as hurt, and fear along with feelings of perhaps betrayal would lead to such terms being used. | |
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