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| Michel Moore's New Film "Sicko"
Posted: 5/13/2007 4:21:20 PM | Have you seen all the hype on his new flick:" Sicko"? It blows the lid off the heath care system. How is the health care systrm all of the world? Who is to blame if the system fails a persons? Have HMO"S become the new monster of the new age? Since I live in the United States amd I have Medicare and supplemental insurance, for what Medicare doesn' pay, if you live outside the United States, how does your
Health Care System, compare to our Health Care System, in the Unites States? | |
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Ender
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| Michel Moore's New Film Sicko
Posted: 5/13/2007 5:34:15 PM | Yeah, I've heard some of the hype on it.....and I think its a good idea for a film. People need to be aware of how badly the medical system is screwing them.
On the otherhand I HATE Micheal Moore. I think he's a foaming at the mouth opportunistic **stard that profits from being "against". He very rarely has anything remotely positive to say, and his films are geared more towards causing anger at the current system than causing peopel to think about issues. Reactionary film is not nessicarily thought provoking, although it does stir up alot of emotoinal content. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 5:40:32 PM | | As much as the health care system is messed up here in the states, I would never do anything to support a Michael Moore film for pretty much the reasons listed by the prior poster. Can't stand the guy. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 5:41:33 PM | | True, Moore is more about shock value and pushing the outrage button. Sadly in the end his work does not actually contribute to much of anything. It's a shame. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 9:35:00 PM | Wll Gee I don't know. But something I do know...I can see my GP tommorow if I need to. And if I need surgery it will be done immediately or within days instead of being put on a list for a few months. The poor have medicaid, the old have medicare ..and we have outrageous insurance premiums, but excellent doctors and hospitals. What would be the trade off, even if we could go national healthcare?? If Doctors have a limit on what they can make, the good ones may go elsewhere, and being put on a waiting list for months would not set well with the majority of the people.
Moore can take an issue and put his dumbass spin on it and make it anything he wants. I am all for anyone who keeps people from getting screwed by the Government or big business...but he is just a self promoting Ass, on top of being annoying. | |
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Posted: 5/13/2007 11:13:56 PM | | I don't have an "HMO"..so don't worry about it. Do I need to post the findings on how long you have to wait to just see a Doctor, or get surgery?? Or People that die waiting?? Don't start with the "you should be like us" BS. I also see you are ranked around 28th out of 30 countries in your healthcare. I would love to not pay insurance, and have national health care, but we are not you...and its much more complex than just announce its all free. And just because Michel Moron inflates his side of the story to make good drama, does not reflect on all healthcare in the USA. And I read somewhere he went with some poor guy to Cuba to get care. You think he would even give a shit about that guy if he didn't need a subject for a stupid documentry?? It would do more good to do one on how obesity is driving up insurance rates we poor slobs have to pay, but that would require showing his fat ass jamming down Whoppers. But that wouldn't sell ...would it?? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 12:18:10 AM | Many Americans have swallowed the myth that the U.S. has the best healthcare system in the world. However, according to the World Health Organization, the U.S. healthcare system ranks 37th out of 191 countries, ahead of Slovenia and behind Costa Rica. France ranks number 1.
Also, Americans pay the most for healthcare than anyone in the world. So we're paying the most for mediocre treatment.
Sure, we have the latest and greatest in healthcare technology -- only if you can afford to pay for it.
I happen to be one of those millions of uninsured, and let me tell you, it's not fun or fair. I'm in between jobs because I'm changing careers. If I need to see a doctor, I have to go to the local clinic and practically wait half the day just to see someone. If I were diagnosed with cancer tomorrow, my family and I would be financially ruined. Imagine if you had a full-time job where your employer doesn't provide insurance, and you get sick and have to see a doctor, and then have to take a whole day off work just to see one. I do know someone who works full-time but doesn't have insurance because she works for a small business. So not having guaranteed health care affects how I look at potential employers. I have to think twice about applying for a job at a small business because it may not offer health insurance. So that limits my opportunities to bigger companies. People stay in jobs they hate because they don't want to lose the health benefits. Or they may think twice about starting a business or becoming self-employed because of high health premiums. Auto companies slap $1,000 or more to cost of a car just to cover health care costs, and pour more into paying for healthcare than into innovation. Insurance companies are raking in obscene profits while thousands of people die every year in the U.S. because they can't see a doctor. About half of all bankruptcies in this country are because of unpaid medical bills. This is ridiculous and insane. This problem is adversely affecting the entire U.S. economy.
Any one American in this country (and on this web site) is just a job loss away from becoming uninsured, so I wouldn't be so complacent.
I support having guaranteed healthcare here in the U.S. just like every other industrialized country. I'm also politically active in trying to make that a reality. There is no reason that healthcare should be treated like buying a car or a DVD player. It should be treated as a right paid for by the government (meaning, we the people), and not administered by insurance middlemen.
Some of you guys may criticize Michael Moore for having the temerity to challenge the politically powerful, and you may not like his tactics, but at least he brings to light issues that Americans should be talking and doing something about.  | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 1:07:09 AM |
There is no reason that healthcare should be treated like buying a car or a DVD player.
Sure there is: elementary economic theory. | |
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Joined: 1/26/2005
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| Michel Moore's New Film Sicko
Posted: 5/14/2007 1:24:38 AM |
...and its much more complex than just announce its all free.
It's not free, its paid for. It just depends on what the country values as important for its people, yours does not in this case, that is all. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 6:14:06 AM |
As for the rankings, the WHO ranked us 30th, and is now revising the cirteria that they rank, simply because it gave such an odd result considering..
Really?? You mean like comparing the US to Costa Rica and Switzerland?? Thats like comparing Florida's healthcare to the rest of the country.Even though ours needs to be fixed, it is not as easy as boiling down to if our country cares about us.
While her hubby was President, Hilary Clinton was crowned herself healthcare system crusader. She was gonna dive right in and fix this thing!!It amounted to some photo ops with her patting kids heads in hospitals, and after a couple months she got...well..pretty much nothing done. If they want to quit spending billions in space travel and pay my medical while ensuring me that I don't have to wait in a cattle pen for surgery. I will be all for it.
And if HMO's are so crummy, why are we supposed to get all warm and fuzzy over what amounts to one big HMO?? | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 6:47:24 AM |
Because your health care system sucks and you pay more than any other country in the world per capita for it.
How do you know??? Have you ever used it?? I have.
Terminal ignorance
by Klaus Rohrich
Thursday, August 18, 2005
This week I learned something that I had always suspected about my fellow Canadians: when it comes to healthcare, they don’t know their ass from their elbow. At least that’s the broad conclusion of an Ipsos-Reid poll conducted on behalf of the Canadian Medical Association.
All one seems to hear from Canadians these days is how "sacred" our public healthcare system is and how it would be "un-Canadian" to entertain any changes in the system, other than throwing more money into the pot.
The poll asked respondents to rate Canada’s healthcare system against 29 other countries in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development. The perception among most Canadians was that Canada’s publicly funded healthcare system ranks among the best in the world. According to the poll, Canadians rank Canada 13th out of the 30 countries when it comes to the number of physicians available to the populace. In actuality, Canada is very near the bottom, ranking 26th out of the 30 countries.
Another interesting item to emerge from the poll is that Canadians do not realize that the private sector accounts for one third of all healthcare dollars spent in Canada. Healthcare spending in Canada is currently in the area of $130 billion per year, with $39 billion paid by the patients or their insurers.
The significance of the poll results would indicate that the Liberal government, which chooses to discuss the country’s healthcare system in terms of jingoistic rhetoric, rather than entertain open and frank debate, has hoodwinked Canadians. It is impossible to talk about "fixing healthcare" while at the same time proscribing discussion of alternative methods of funding or delivering that care. It is analogous to being diagnosed with breast cancer, yet having a radical mastectomy ruled out on principle as a possible plan of treatment.
While most Canadians today are in reasonably good health and do not require medical intervention, it becomes a shock when such intervention becomes necessary, as waiting lists are the order of the day. Here are some examples of current average waiting times in Canada for receiving medical care:
Time between seeing a GP and specialist- 81/2 weeks
Time between seeing a GP and receiving treatment from a specialist- 18 weeks
Time spent waiting for orthopedic surgery- 38 weeks (!)
Time spent waiting for cardiac surgery- 11 weeks
Time Europeans and Japanese spend waiting for treatment under their publicly funded healthcare systems- 0 weeks
Soo I guess yours is wonderful..if you don't actually get sick.
My family used our system 2 weeks ago. My Stepfather was having pain in his legs.
Wait time for GP....2 days
Wait time to see specialist....2 days
If he needed surgery....one week at the most.
And if I want to see my GP, I can go this week for a non emergency, or if needed..today.
Wait times are determined by how bad you need to see the Doctor, not how many cattle are on the list, if you just need a check up...you could wait 2 weeks. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 7:00:08 AM | Re health care system, e.g. if you get Lyme Disease (Tick Borne Infectious Disease) in the States, you pay high premiums for good insurance, you most likely cannot get treatment for it unless you pay out of pocket for the few specialists who are willing to stick their neck out and treat you. Until you get sick with something that they don't want to acknowledge and treat, you have no idea of what it is like.
Not much different in Canada, same attitude toward Lyme Disease and treatment, I get good treatment for Lyme, before I worked and had insurance plan, I had provincial pharmacare that helped with paying for abx. There might be a waiting list to see doc or surgery, but it doesn't cost a penny. I have glaucoma and had major eye surgery 3 years ago, I had the best and quickest treatment and didn't cost me a penny. I have my eyesight still. If I was in the States, it would have been a different story.
I like Michael Moore, don't see anyone else digging up all the lies/corruption about big corp/pharmacals/government, etc. People don't like hearing the truth.
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Posted: 5/14/2007 8:11:00 AM |
I like Michael Moore, don't see anyone else digging up all the lies/corruption about big corp/pharmacals/government, etc. People don't like hearing the truth. Truth? MM has a great ability at taking things and twisting them so they appear to be the truth. Some things may be the truth, some things may not be. It all depends on what "facts" a person wants to accept. There are always two sides to an issue and much of the crap MM spews out can be disputed by other "facts". He certainly doesn't look at both sides of an issue. He looks at everything through his tunnel vision and lets his biased opinion drive his documentaries. That's why I have a problem accepting things he says as truth. I prefer to see a documentary that shows both sides of an issue. There's no way to know the truth if you can't assess both sides of a controversy. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 8:13:13 AM | Michael Moore point out problems, but he is the quintessential SUCKER because he is unwilling to point out the most obvious source of the problem, the consumer who readily hands off personal responsibility for their health to the health care industry.
The OP is a perfect example, with his diabetes and other health issues. He has had numerous operations, which he proudly extolls, down in the Health and Fitness section. He is a walking poster child for PISS POOR personal responsibility for his present health status. He is one of many millions who benefits directly in government health care cost payouts - that bill, borne on the backs of taxpayers, will be well in excess of two trillion dollars this year. Its projected to continue to rise, as more workers retire and join those many millions of seniors on social welfare. With a shrinking tax payer base, the inevitable will occur.
Congress and the Administration in DC are clueless on how to fix the problem. And yet, its stupidly easy: force all benficiaries of public health welfare to toe the line, or else. You smoke, you drink and you are fatty that sits on their butts every day, you are denied the right to have your bills paid by Uncle Sugar. If you work, you must pay the highest premiums for the cumulative risk you force on the health care insurer and your employer, who offsets your insurance premium payout.
Read my lips: NINTEY EIGHT PERCENT of all seniors are directly on the government social healthcare rolls. This system WAS NEVER intended to bail out the elderly with sufficient income for private health care insurance, just those who couldn't afford an alternative. Those who have taken care of their health and who have the bucks, should be bankrolling their own health care costs through private insurance - and here is where the government should play a role to force health care insurers to offer low premiums where payout risk is low. They MUST reward positivem responsible action, not reward negative action and irresponsibility.
So, Mr Moore has missed the boat once again, richly pointing fingers at the wrong culprits. Without the huge demand for drugs and corrective health care programs, and the insurance to pay for it, just like his rant on SuperSize Me, these increasingly expensive payouts wouldn't be needed. He has missed the bigger picture of a direct lack of personal responsibility and culpability for bad lifestyle decisions. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 9:58:07 AM |
So, Mr Moore has missed the boat once again, richly pointing fingers at the wrong culprits. Without the huge demand for drugs and corrective health care programs, and the insurance to pay for it, just like his rant on SuperSize Me
I don't recall Moore having anything to do with the film SuperSize Me. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 10:15:08 AM | Correct, I should have said.
Super Size Me is, on one level, a cinematic stunt in the tradition of Michael Moore’s populist, anti-corporate crusades. | |
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Jemue
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| Michel Moore's New Film Sicko
Posted: 5/14/2007 10:52:21 AM |
Even though ours needs to be fixed, it is not as easy as boiling down to if our country cares about us.
Eventually it does, it's priorities. What is more important to care about, the billions going into the current activities around the world that most of the people disagree with, or sorting out health care and school at home etc. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 10:59:24 AM | I find the phrase: "America has the best Healthcare in the world" absolutely false ..
Your company insurance makes you choose a doctor on their plan .. if you want your old doctor .. he's extra ... a LOT EXTRA ... so you sign up for somebody who's close to the house ..
Most working stiffs know the score .. call for an appointment and be scheduled for "sometime" next month .. opps! Forgot to get a referral from my primary physician? back to step one .. wait for Hours to finally get in .. the doctor doesn't know your name .. and doesn't care .. he's only with you for 3 minutes anyways .. the girl at the front desk smiles as she collects your deductible .. sorry! It's 3 times higher than last month ... too bad .. Need a specialist? Back to the primarry phisician for yet another referral .. on and on and on .. it goes ...
Finally you see the right dr .. whew! Too bad .. the thing you have isn't covered .. just one of those things .. what do you do? Find a way to pay .. or die .. most end up dying .. trying not to miss too many days at work .. while still paying the mortgage ..
Need a prescription? Hell .. why do you even have a Health plan? The Damn things are so costly .. its almost unaffordable ..
America has the finest facilities .. and the best doctors .. but unless you can pay extra it's like going to an ocean front resort for vacation .. yes the resort is on the ocean but if you want a view it's extra .. Unfortunately .. with health care .. the extra is often the difference between life and death ...
Life isn't like TV .. people get sick and die ... and most aren't whisked away in a private jet to the nearest specialist awaiting with miracles ... nope .. it's more like .. choose who's most convenient .. who's the cheapest .. wait for hours and hours to finally get in .. the deductible is cheap .. but the premiums are high .. the service is mediocre and the rich keep getting richer ...
I find nothing in the American health care system to get excited about ... | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 11:19:28 AM | | Our heath care system here in ontario is ok, Depends on your GP, I had a pain in my abdomen, I took some Ibuprofen but decide to see my GP after a couple days, He took me in right away, The pain had gone down considerably, He figured it might be my appendix, but said to just keep taking the pain medacine and if it got worse to go to emerg. What a Quack, next day I was feeling ok but decided to go to emerg anyways. Sure enough it was my appendix, had sugery later that night and it was about to burst. I'm not one to go to the doctor unless its really nessesary. This time it was and got very poor advice. I'm sure their are better GP's out there, Mine is just convienient, next time its serious,I'll just go directly to the hospital. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 11:44:51 AM | Something that fools worldwide will never get through their heads is that a communist system of anything, including healthcare, doesn't work. The Canadian system is just a "Cuban light" system. Good doctor's flee and leave us with third world immigrants to diagnose us and often leave us with horror stories.
Also, 40% of our tax dollars go to funding our voodoo health care. So, a family with an income of $100,000 pays 1/2 to the gov't, which means about $20,000 goes to health care. That's cheap? With that "free" system, we can go get misdiagnosed or die in a line up. I know several Canadians who pay for American health care. Why? Because they don't need to line up and the doctor is world class.
Why do many Americans not have health care insurance? Partly because they can get free emergency treatment without it. Or, they just choose not to get it. Or, they are drug addicts or people who don't care to work.
I hope Americans don't opt for communist health care. Their system will crash like Russia's, Cuba's and Canada's. That would leave Canadians with nowhere to go for medical services. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 11:59:54 AM | | As far as Commie healthcare goes it tends more towards corporate Commie healthcare. At least here. The government doesn't really cover drugs, treatments etc. until there is a risk of the patient seeking a cheaper alternative. I would to some extent say that smokers etc should pay higher premiums but I suspect the Marlboro lobby will call that injustice. | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 12:09:33 PM | Micheal Moore is a GOD in my opinion. He blew the lid off the NRA. He opened peoples eyes about Bush, not that he needed any help mind you and now he's tacking on Med. Insurance Company's...or as i like to call them the REAL people who run the USA. Having used American Ins. companys and using the UK system of medical, i have to say that the US has there system set up like it does for one reason and one reason alone...MONEY! A National healthcare system will never be adopted here in the US because way too many people ( oilititions, doctors, med. ins. providers etc ) will stand to loose millions of dollars and the US gov. will NEVER let that happen. The rich only like getting richer while the regular people ( lower class...the middle class is gone...) suffer!
Keep doing what your doing Mr. Moore... | |
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Posted: 5/14/2007 12:25:43 PM | I would like to point out how the FDA and The UN are issuing Codex Alementarius,funded by the WTO and created by the World Health Organization"the real masters behind the direction of the health care system",to make supplements prescription only,outlaw all natural treatments and or cures,irradiate all foods,and outlaw mineralization and the organic growing of foods,they even are going to try and make fasting and juicing,Illegal.
so that we may be locked Into the Medical industry forever!
and i hope michael moore covers this in his film...
and you guys should research Codex it is gruesome, and they plan to have it in effect by 2009 so we dont have much time left to stop it,you should see their approved list of additives to foods one of them is Mercury. I am not kidding!
please watch this film,its about 40 minutes long it covers every aspect of Codex,then please get it out to everyone on your mailing list,thanks!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634&q=codex&hl=en | |
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| Michel Moore's New Film Sicko
Posted: 5/14/2007 12:26:00 PM | Moore is a God at editing his work to make it look like something more than what it is.
Examples of the numerous errors in Blowing for Columbine:
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20021119.html
I'm sorry, but he's the left wing equivalent to Bill O'Riley. I'm not saying that the topics he brings up don't need to be examined, they in fact do. However, I feel his approach causes more harm than good in making advances in these issues. | |
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