| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 5/20/2007 8:03:21 AM | | Why is it that when you hear of a tragic story , it is always the animal that gets euthanized .I understand the reason for dogs being euthanised because of the over population but not typical animals you find in a zoo. I hear of alligators on rare occassions killing humans and small animals and they are quickly disposed of. Why can't they just put these animals in a zoo. I have even heard of zoo animals killing people , where kids may have jumped into cage and you guessed it animals are disposed . I think its sad and unnecessary. There was a lady who worked at Busch Gardems that that lost her arm due to a lion bite and that lion was put to sleep as well. The stories are numerous. At the very least they can transport these animals to another zoo where no ones the wiser / To kill these animals that are only being 'themselves' is cruel and not fair , especially if most of the times the humans behaved unsafely and unwise. | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 5/20/2007 10:08:46 AM | Study the natural world. Some animals will develop a taste for human flesh. Certain sharks and the lions that hunted the african railrod for years as it was being built for instance. Removal of the few individual animals that pose a threat actually prevents a backlash of fear and wide-spread slaughter of the natural population.
People are animals aswell, and if you study our phsiology we are NOT made to be vegetarian. We are omnivores with several predatory traits. So when one of us "animals" acts "on their nature as a predator" should we then just "move that animal to a new town where no one "is any the wiser"?
Try using a little common sense, a predator that has lost fear of humans and hunts in towns cannot be left to roam free otherwise it WILL end up picking off kids as a snack. This lack of fear of humans is unnatural in most animals, culling such creatures is by no means an unreasonable measure to prevent recurrances. | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 5/20/2007 1:41:55 PM | Because they make great burgers first of all.
Second that predisposition to aggression can be genetic so you don't want to great a hyper-aggressive captive population.
And if you hadn't noticed they then pose a risk to zookeepers. | |
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e-wok
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 5/20/2007 11:25:20 PM | Why is it that when you hear of a tragic story , it is always the animal that gets euthanized
I agree....we should be euthanizing the idiots that jump into the cages....or
perform a post-natal abortion; however way you prefer to call it.
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Posted: 5/20/2007 11:32:22 PM | This always stirs me the wrong way. Our society isn't "an eye for an eye", but for the animals it seems to be...
Let's see what happens if we imply that for the people.
I shoot you, shoot me back?! | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 5/21/2007 1:18:47 AM | As opposed to you shoot me and I give you a hug because you had a rough childhood and have no respect for others right to life?
This is something we could learn from the animal kingdom, no other social animal will tolerate individuals in the group that continually harm that group. | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 5/21/2007 12:30:22 PM | | You'd better be a vegetarian, dude ... Otherwise, I have to ask what that chicken you ate last night ever did to deserve being your supper... | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 7/9/2007 3:47:00 PM | So what your saying is it's o.k. for a dog to be put down because there are too many of them? I have a lil secret for you, buddy...THERE'S TOO MANY DOGS BECAUSE OF HUMANS REFUSING TO SPAY/NEUTER THEM! A dog is no different than the lion in the zoo. People have to be held accountable for their own actions, not throw responsiblity on the animals. The lady who lost her arm...oh well, tough. She put herself in that situation, she has to pay the cost for it, and I agree, she was probley not doing her job like she should have been doing it. So the poor lion had to pay the price for it.
As far as thinking we can put every animal or reptile in a zoo who attacks, that's unreasonable. There aren't enough zoo's or money to support them. Let me ask you this: how many times have you donated money to a zoo or organization that helps house these creatures? The answer is to stop tearing apart their living areas for human growth. We take an alligators swamp, where they have lived for thousands if not millions of years, and we build a condo on it. Than we complain when someone get's bit because they have nowhere else to go and we've destroyed their natural food chain. If killing due to an overpopulation is really o.k. with you, I can think of a species who's REALLY overpopulated...and it's not animals or reptiles. It's you and I. Humans. | |
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Posted: 7/9/2007 4:08:19 PM | Yeah, animals are really cute and cuddly right up until one of them eats your kid. Then it's "Why didn't somebody DO something about this !?!?"
First of all, we don't have the time or resources to kennel and care for every creature that bites a human. The simplest , wisest , and most practical solution is to simply kill it. And even if we did have the ability to put 'em all in a zoo...what then ? Now they know what we taste like and it's something like filet mignon for as far as the animal is concerned. We going to send them off with a warning and a fine ?
Animals aren't people. Yeah, it's unfortunate that it has to be this way but nature is far less sympathetic.
Why are there so many feral dogs running around ? No, it's not just because us dirty , evil humans didn't sterilize them , it's because they went wild and bred. Apart from that, it doesn't change the fact that we can't have them running around nibbling on the slowest people they can find.
Really though, those are your options so decide if you want to see grandma turned into Sunday dinner for Spot or Spot turned into a bad memory.
As far as people euthanizing zoo animals that bite humans ...uh no, that's not usually the case. The whole reason we put them in cages is BECAUSE we already know they'd take a sampling of us if they ever got the chance. We're not trying to domesticate them so they're off the hook for being , well, animals. | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 7/9/2007 4:22:35 PM |
Otherwise, I have to ask what that chicken you ate last night ever did to deserve being your supper...
It was born. Thats why chickens are bred thousands at a time in barns, and slaughtered in mass production, to eat. | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 7/9/2007 4:27:42 PM |
Why is it that when you hear of a tragic story , it is always the animal that gets euthanized Because euthanizing the human is murder.  What's wrong man, why do others have to tell you that? | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 7/9/2007 4:39:34 PM | Put them in a zoo when no one is wiser of their past history of attacking and or killing a human ???
Hello ???
So they can attack/kill again ?
Attacking your keeper ? Your handler ? No....they need to be destroyed.
I also do alot of dog Rescue for about 21 years and I can tell you for a fact, once a dog crosses that line and bites FOR WHATEVER REASON, it WILL bite again. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2007 3:32:34 AM | hellooo, arent these animals just being animals........if a human kills there locked up, its only cos the dog cant say " but that nasty little kid was kicking me and pulling my tail" that he gets put to sleep..............and as for zoo keepers being attacked by re-offending animals, firstly they are WILD animals and secondly the keeper should be more careful.......even tho the animals in zoos and our own pets are really cute n cuddly people should never forget that they are ANIMALS and should be treated and respected in that way!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 7/10/2007 4:00:11 AM | I agree with e-wok!
Perhaps we need to put those vicious animals down, but can't we also put down the ignornant homo sapiens alongside them that continue to pollute the gene pool?! | |
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Posted: 7/10/2007 4:06:08 AM |
I agree with e-wok!
Perhaps we need to put those vicious animals down, but can't we also put down the ignornant homo sapiens alongside them that continue to pollute the gene pool
This makes no more sense than letting your dog die of an infection due to be unwilling to sacrifice poor bacteria. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2007 6:43:53 AM | I've worked with animals my entire life, many of them considered to be dangerous species. I've been bitten, scratched, kicked and gored by more than a few. If you work with these animals you expect it and it is part of the territory. Most animal work injuries are not a case of the animal attacking the keeper but are fear triggered reaction or rough play injuries. You will seldom hear of these injuries as they are normal and expected and these animals are not put down. The cases we all hear about in the media are usually the extreme cases and yes I fully agree that most are human error and not the fault of the animals. In many cases animals are put down far to quickly to appease the fears of ignorant people. Putting dangerous wild animals that are known man eaters in zoos is perhaps one of the dumbest ideas I've heard yet. People that work in zoos are just people doing a job and do not need the risk of being killed by an exhibit animal. This makes about as much sense as life imprisonment for serial killers just put them down and don't let them breed. Some animals, not many just must be put down before they hurt somebody and certainly if they kill or mame somebody unprovoked. Before any animal is put down for biting a human one must consider the circumstances. If you try to take a bone away from a feeding lion you deserve to be bitten and the lion was within his normal and expected actions. If a wild lion wanders into a village, kills and eats some children then it's a different situation. Dangerous wild animals that are not endangered species that loose their fear of and attack humans need to be put down and put to best use. As far as the gator that is fed by humans in the canal near humans and eventually reaches a size where he can add humans to his diet and chooses to do so. This is no fault of the gator he is a low thinking predatory killing machine by nature. This still does not give him a free ticket to eat people it just gives us a need to harvest him.
As for you who think all animals need to be cared for and preserved by humans at any cost. Animals like vegetables are a harvestable natural resource and serve many purposes such as a natural source of food and fibre as well as being beautiful creatures to observe in the wild and keeping in captivity as pets or exhibits. Humans are a part of the ecosystem and as with any species the strongest and smartest survive. I believe very much in using our environment and resources to their best and fullest use which includes harvesting and culling. | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 7/10/2007 8:09:15 AM | 1) Animals 'developing a taste' for human flesh = B.S. urban legend.
2) ALL animal attacks on humans are the humans' fault. Always.
Why does the animal always get punished?
Because we've got guns and gas chambers and poison syringes, they don't.
3) If an animal attacks/maims/kills your kid, it is YOU who should have done something, not 'someone'......
If anyone ever proposes stuff like a pound for people (you've got 3 days, if nobody claims you, your time's up), or public executions for folks like child molesters, rapists, serial killers, etc. I'll vote for them. | |
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Posted: 7/10/2007 9:56:10 AM | Wolfie65,
I believe I sort of proposed something like that in my previous comment. 
Vote for me!
I did not exactly understand what Charles was trying to retort, but I gather he does not concur. | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 7/10/2007 10:59:50 AM |
1) Animals 'developing a taste' for human flesh = B.S. urban legend.
2) ALL animal attacks on humans are the humans' fault. Always.
Why does the animal always get punished?
Because we've got guns and gas chambers and poison syringes, they don't.
3) If an animal attacks/maims/kills your kid, it is YOU who should have done something, not 'someone'......
1: Tell that to victims of attacks by Bull Sharks or Salt Water Crocs. Their fault, they were in the water, you say? Stop fishing to feed their family you say? What color is the sky in your world? Besides, as its mentioned earlier, the animal learns to not fear humans, and if you don't believe me, ask someone in Alaska when a moose sticks its head in the kitchen window.
2: Go find a Mountain Lion, see how long it takes for you to get attacked just because you're standing there. Or better yet, go fishing in the Nile.
3: I'd like to see you do something about an animal twice your size when you're minding your own business and its hungry. | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 7/10/2007 1:39:12 PM | Barfly has the right idea.
Anyone thinking otherwise has not the exerience in the field to even have a say in the matter. Look at what happened when southern Ontario decided the north should ban the spring bear hunt. Dozens of more bear attacks. Of course the city folks didn't care that some hiker got nailed. Nor do they care about farmers losing valuable livestock...as long as those cute cuddly bears were left unmolested for city folks to "go see" once in awhile, all was great.
Nope....an animal that bites probably (not always) will bite again. I figure, give them one chance...after that, kill the animal off...depending on the severity of the attck, of course. Kill someone, it dies. Maim a kid, it dies. Adults should ethier know better, or have legal recourse to collect compensation.
Often it is the humans fault...but not always. | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 7/10/2007 1:40:10 PM |
1) Animals 'developing a taste' for human flesh = B.S. urban legend.
2) ALL animal attacks on humans are the humans' fault. Always.
Why does the animal always get punished?
Because we've got guns and gas chambers and poison syringes, they don't.
3) If an animal attacks/maims/kills your kid, it is YOU who should have done something, not 'someone'......
Is it hard to be so wrong about three things in rapid succession?
I did not exactly understand what Charles was trying to retort, but I gather he does not concur.
You were too busy accusing me to actually read what I said I suppose. It's very simple.
Animals arn't humans, they're not as important as humans. No more than Bacteria are as important as animals. If bacteria was killing a person (like in an infection) I wouldn't think twice about killing the bacteria with an anti biotic.
I wouldn't feel that much worse for killing an animal that had started attacking humans. I certainly wouldn't think "well ok now were going to make it the zoo keepers problem" | |
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Posted: 7/10/2007 1:59:22 PM | Well, Here is another excellent topic...
Now just why did that animal kill or mame a human? I would encourage more people to explore the WHY rather than the end result. A Lion? An Alligator? A Dog? A Shark? Hellooooooooooooo These are Carnivores...!!! A lion, an alligator, and a shark all eat lesser animals, just the same as humans. That is all part of the food chain, and how Carnivores work.
Now a dog... Thats where I have an objection. I have 2, soon to be 3 *RESCUED* American Pit Bull Terriers. Yes, all 3 rescues. They are one of the best dogs I've found for the farm, and getting along with my household. A dog is territorial, no matter how big or small, and their only way to defend themselves is to sound a warning bark or growl, then followed by a show of teeth for intimidation and then the end result, a bite. NONE of my Pit Bulls would think of biting a person, EVER! they were trained and taught, that people are not supposed to be in their mouths, and the worst thing in their doggie world, is a persons hand, arm, fingers, etc in their mouths.
The 3rd rescue Pit I am working on has been known to attack other dogs, that come into its very small territory, both in its prior home, as well as the tiny chain link pen at the shelter. Is it the dogs fault that it feels threatened enough to bite? Not really, it came from an abusive and neglective home, where it was chained to a tree, and often not fed. Other animals were able to come up to it, and attack it, and with limited defenses and no ability to run, it learned to be aggressive.
He has a court date this month, and if I can convince the judge, I will be adopting him, and giving him the type of home, where he will no longer feel threatened or feel the need to defend himself against other animals.
I can honestly say with confidence, I would trust ANY of my past and current Pit bulls with children and strangers, but what I CAN'T say is that I would trust some people's children with my Dogs...
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 7/10/2007 2:31:53 PM | Okay , here's an example of why animals have to be killed for the threat they pose :
In northern communities there are packs of feral dogs. How this came to be can be laid at peoples' feet but it doesn't change the fact that there is a pack of feral dogs running around. Every year the people in these communities have to go out and shoot as many of these dogs as they can find. Why ? Because these same dogs have a tendency to hang around the community attacking (and sometimes killing) the people they encounter. Last year there was a small child mauled to death in northern Manitoba. So the people have to do the only thing that can be done. Sure , you can blame people all you want but it doesn't change factual reality. There is no point at all in trying to re-domesticate these dogs and even if there was there are no resources to do it. So for all the idealists out there who think that there must be a better solution , ....well, what is it ? Have YOU got the time and money ? Would YOU just leave things alone and hope that your toddler didn't end up on the menu ? I doubt it and if you did choose to just let it be you'd have to be a complete idiot as well as criminally negligent. | |
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| Animals euthanised when they kill humans
Posted: 7/10/2007 2:58:29 PM | We sometimes put people down for killing people...why would we make an exception for animals?
I can understand an exception when a pet is protecting it's owner. Personally, I think they should just call it even then. 'Sorry that you had your arm ripped to shreds, but you shouldn't have tried to rape, beat and kill her. We're just going to call it even. Ok we'll give you a choice because this is America. You can choose to either live with the ripped flesh and she gets to keep her pet -OR- we get to brand 'Violent Criminal' to your forehead and we'll put her pet down.' | |
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