| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 3:06:32 PM | My sister owns an upscale restaurant. At the door a sign is posted requesting men take off their hats in the dining room. We live in Ohio, where baseball style caps with farm logos are so common they are almost a dress code. I was a bit concerned, pointing out to her that for bald men who aren't ready to embrace their baldness, removing their hat is a humiliation. I have never seen the head of some of the bald men I'm acquainted with....She replied it was courtesy and manners to remove your hat while inside.
Two weeks ago some prominent businessmen, dressed in plaid button down shirts and baseball caps were seated for dinner. My sisters husband politely requested they remove their hats, reminding them of the signs at both the door and the entrance past the lobby. One of the gentlemen was ready to comply, but the older gentleman told her husband to "Go f*u*c*k himself" and stalked out, the entire family in tow. This was a multigenerational family, complete with grandkids. I was a little shocked....
I can see both sides of the situation, so I thought I would put this question to you men.... | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 3:15:35 PM | I don't often wear a hat.
But, I don't see why someone should have such a strong reaction to being asked to remove his. The guy's got some issues. Especially seeing as there's a sign out front telling him to remove the hat.
Does he think he's more important than everyone else and that the rule shouldn't apply to him?
Or is he simply so vain that he can't accept people seeing his imperfections? | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 3:30:19 PM | Personally, I think I look silly in all manner of hats. (Although I want to see if a military cap looks decent on me. It probably won't.)
some prominent businessmen, dressed in plaid button down shirts and baseball caps
I read this a few times. Then I read 'Ohio'. | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 4:00:05 PM | | They should have been told the rules prior to being seated. If the fools could not read it for themselves. If it is an upscale restraunt, and they have a dress code, so be it. Rules are rules. And everyone must comply. Just like if the dress code said no shorts, tank tops, etc. And if a person does not like it, they can leave. Me personally, i would never even think to wear any hat in doors. I was brought up correctly. Although i do wear a welding hat and or cap while using the torch. I do not need to be the next Micheal Jackson running around with my head on fire. And i do fly an airplane or drive a car with a hat on. But that is to cut down on the glare for my eyes. I have never had that problem in doors. | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 4:02:06 PM | What a great example Granpa set for his granchildren. Obviously no common sense, manners or respect for others.
I live in a rural area, spend a lot of time outdoors and am often wearing a baseball cap to keep the sun out of my eyes. If I'm wearing a cap and go into a restaurant I always take it off.
This reminds me of a movie I went to years ago. There was a man sitting right in front of me wearing a baseball cap! What kind of *&^% idot wears a cap to a movie? | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 5:16:55 PM | I wear a hat for practical reasons. Mostly to keep the sun off my head (or, when I had long hair, to keep it out of my face!).
But whenever I go into a restaurant or into any establishment where hats would be frowned upon, I remove it. And if I was politely asked to remove it, I would certainly comply! | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 5:34:43 PM |
For a restaurant owner the question should be: When is the customer wrong?
And the answer should be... when they can't read the damn sign! | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 6:20:52 PM | Adam, I think he's used to having his own way....
ubkobalt, I know...I know. But they do own a very successful landscaping business, so that would be appropriate business attire.
Karrpilot, They were told as they were being seated. It seemed as if they would comply, then 5 minutes later, my sis sent her husband over, and then the crap hit the fan...
MX220, that's what I thought about grandpa...and in front of the ladies and children and other customers! I know I'll never shop at his business for plants after that display.
Eddie, seems you are echoing the opinion of most of the men....that you don't wear hats indoors anyway, but if asked, you would remove it.
originalgeek, Well, it was stated...and I guess the customer is wrong when they swear at the owner and in front of the other customers. I think they saw the sign, and just decided to challenge the situation, thinking in the end "the customer is always right" would win out... | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 6:33:48 PM | My family has a few good rules,and the of them is no matter where you are; take off your hat at the table,along with no singing and ask to have items passed to you,that are out of reach!
Heck I was at a five star,and seen some of the worst table manners! belching,hats and more I was totaly freaked out!  | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 6:55:21 PM | What's wrong with singing?
Not that I'm the type to burst out into song out of nowhere, and it might be a little weird to even have a rule about it, but I think I should have the option should I feel inclined to do so.
Y'all can come and sing at my table any time. | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 7:02:22 PM | Its a lack of manners and just another indicator how we as a society are going into the toliet. Men should always remove their hat. There is only one valid exception to this rule and that is religious and doesn't deal with hats, but head coverings, those are allowed, be it a yarmakule or a sikh wearing a turban.
Other than that, it is never acceptable.
Sounds like the OP ran into some boorish people.
Cheers! | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 7:16:05 PM | I don't wear hats, they mess up my hair. lol
I don't think bald men should never be humiliated for being bald. Bald men can do anything a man with hair can do. Hair is a lot of work; it might me nice to be bald. | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 8:48:16 PM | Pilot,
Good luck with the lawsuit from the ACLU. Headcoverings for religious reasons have to be allowed with the exception of if it interferes with a driver's license picture etc.
Cheers! | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 8:59:40 PM | I like hats, but I don't object to taking them off in restaurants or formal dinners. It's not a big enough of a deal for me to complain about.
However, I fail to see how wearing a hat vs. removing it while dining has anything to do with where society is going. I realize it's common etiquette, but one has to wonder...why? It's just a hat. Getting upset about someone not removing it is inherently just as stupid as getting pissed off for being asked, lol. I can see being bothered by someone who's belching, eating in a disgusting manner, or just acting like a douche, but what is inherently offensive about a hat? It's just another piece of clothing. If the dress code isn't otherwise leaning towards formal attire, it doesn't make any sense. | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 9:18:31 PM | It was more about pride for the old guy. He's seen things change over his years and in his opinion not for the better in most cases. As far as he was concerned, the upscale place didn't exist when he was a kid and for someone to tell him no hat was absurd.
I suspect that he knew about the rule before the family loaded up to go in the first place. His intention was to show his family that standing up for what's right is more important than conforming with this new threat, telling HIM what was proper.
I wonder how he dresses for church....
Just one guy's guess, could be wrong. I sometimes wonder what I'll stand up for as the sentimental old fool.
John | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 9:28:31 PM | "Two weeks ago some prominent businessmen, dressed in plaid button down shirts and baseball caps were seated for dinner"
Festus and Jethro should of known your sisters policy and it's very "rednecky" of them to be wearing that in a nice restaurant.I guess they drove off in their 4x4 Dodge Ram with the ladder rack and the Dale Earnhardt bumper sticker. | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 9:40:25 PM | There was a time when wearing a hat indoors was considered extremely rude.
Although in today's age I don't get offended by a hat, the old-fashioned part of me still finds it to be in very bad taste. | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 9:46:33 PM | How about the girls?
I went to a bar one time. I had on a sleeveless shirt - they would not let me in. Inside about 75% of the females had on a sleeveless shirt. | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 10:04:51 PM | My grandmother was a stickler for etiquette. I used ot think it was goofy when I was a kid, but now I see it as a matter of personal dignity and respect for others. My kids thought I was goofy too, but as they age, they find it sort of unusual and interesting. It is considered a sign of contempt and/or disrespect to leave your hat on when it would be appropriate to remove it. I find it more of an insult to his family than the restaurant. Outside of the fact he is obviously a rude d*ckhead.
It is proper etiquette to remove your hat indoors, particularly in a home, church, courtroom or restaurant, and in the presence of friends. According to my book, there are some exceptions:
in elevators of public or office buildings, unless a woman is present;
if carrying packages, parcels or bags and both hands are occupied upon entry.
if the man is an actor or performer and the hat is being worn as a part of a costume or performance.
in some public buildings or public places such as railroad stations or post offices;
in the main parlor area of a bar or a store;
or while seated at the lunch counter of a restaurant
in entrance halls and corridors of office buildings, or hotels;
It is proper to tip your hat when thanking or meeting someone, particularly ladies. Women were exempted from removing hats, if they were difficult to remove, being pinned on, but most hats are pinned on with one or two large hat pins and easily removed. | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/24/2007 11:31:27 PM | Funny, Ron.
Hats are no big deal to me, I almost never wear them, but once on taking it off does leave one with messy hair.
I thought the whole hat etiquette thing went out with the the bobby socks.... | |
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| How important is wearing a hat to you?
Posted: 5/25/2007 12:41:38 AM | I think they should be taken off.
You really should have expected that response....I mean, he's illiterate to being with... | |
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