| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 5/30/2007 1:55:51 AM | Hi i have in the last few months taken an interest in free energy, hydrogen production etc anyway in my research on the net i became familer with a man named joseph newman and his perpetual motion device which he claims can run off its own energy and output even more than is put in, i wonder is there anyone here who is a bit of an inventor and has ever successfully built a perpetual motion machine that works, now that may sound like a dumb question cos that person would be rich and famous well not definatly because joe newman has tried for years to get his plans patented but they refuse him, i beleive there are people out there (amatures) who have or are getting close to finding the answers, if so tell me how to build one.
If there are any links you wish to send please make sure they are instructions on how to build one, any other links ive proberly seen anyway. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 5/30/2007 8:27:02 AM | | Perpetual motion is NOT possible. I have filed several patents in the past, in other areas of science, and I can assure you the patents office will not accept any claims relating to perpetual motion. I have dabbled with these machines in my teens but had to finally accept the basic laws of physics are absolutely correct. Its impossible to get more out than you put in! You get nothing for free in this life! : ) | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 5/30/2007 8:53:49 AM | Perpetual motion is about as real as going faster than the speed of light. There will ALWAYS be friction losses no matter how small.
joseph newman and his perpetual motion device which he claims can run off its own energy and output even more than is put in NO WAY, IMPOSSIBLE! | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 5/30/2007 10:30:59 PM | | Ok thanks for everyones replys i take on board everyones opinions, tyronslater everything you said ive already read in a book, nowavailable you say you tried this in your teens i guess ill never be fully satisfied till i try it myself. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 5/30/2007 10:48:51 PM | The thing I don't get is how we can't come up with one, but we've been flying around in one forever... I personally think someone will figure it out...
I always had a feeling magnets set up in a sphere with the polarities lined up just right and a condusive but magnetic ball gets introduced to the inside where it gets caught in a cycle of cycles where the ball never touches the wall so no disintegration could take place... I've had that picture in my head for a few years and I know it likely wouldn't work, but is the idea sound enough to expand on? | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 5/31/2007 10:02:15 AM |
Stating the obvious, you've read it in a book because it is the case?
Ummm, if that was directed at me I must say you are pretty prejudiced... I have an inquiring mind with a healthy love of magnets... I haven't read it in any books...
If I have something to bring to the table that comes from an outside source I always name it...
If it wasn't directed at me, I am glad I held my tongue!  | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 5/31/2007 1:49:54 PM |
Steorn an Irish company claims that it has developed a technology which is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and produces free, clean and constant energy. In simple words they claim they have built perpetual motion machine-1 which produces energy more than it uses and perpetual motion machine-1 is impossible to create.
These guys have got pics and claim it works and are willing to put it up for inspection ... I havent actually seen anything more on this for a month or so ... | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 5/31/2007 11:33:29 PM | But, because we aren't all happy hippies and all the power companies are still around, it proves one thing about perpetual motion.
Or there can be cover ups newguyinventure you said it yourself the the power companies would fall , yes so would the fuel companies so the wealthy people incharge and making all the money wouldnt try to protect a secret like that would they.
The fact they are still around dose not prove that it dosnt work. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/1/2007 4:12:12 AM | Ok i accept everyones opinions but something useful would help, anykind of free energy device if you cant get something for nothing where did the universe come from?
Our universe is forever expanding not just changing, our universe in which its very fabric is made from perpetual motin right down at the atomic level.
I accept your point of view i accept newguyinventura and not that i cant take cridasism but i started this thread for advice also opinions if you arnt open minded to a coverup then i guess you wouldnt be open minded to something just because present day science says otherwise. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/1/2007 5:00:24 AM | This is one of the most interesting areas for development. I'm with those who are putting their energy with the possibility rather then the inability for mankind to solve our crisis. I googled steorn and had a look at their site, i sure hope they have made a contribution to the development of free energy. I've been reading on this subject off and on for a while and even have some plans for something called a joe cell. I've seen several machines that look promising and probably don't produce what they claim completely but I do like the fact we are working towards something worth while. I'd like to be smart enough to work towards the same end but it would take a lot just to learn the basics to even understand never mind contribute.
My deepest gratitude goes out to those who are smart enough and are working in a more meaningful direction for all of mankind. Even if we don't get there its good to know there are those who risk everything to try. Wouldn't it be better to error on such an endeavor then to live out the alternative?
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/1/2007 9:05:25 AM | That's it... If we keep on trying I'm sure we'll figure it out... If we don't we may as well give up the ghost...
this will apply in some way to any system you can imagine.
Funny how negative people like to tell us what we may imagine! LOL!!!
See how logical thinking can solve problems.
Unless its influenced by negativity... Then it just tries to confuse and compound the problem... Good job... Just say it hurts your brain and you can't be bothered... No harm in that...
Crazylifting... I dig your attitude!
My deepest gratitude goes out to those who are smart enough and are working in a more meaningful direction for all of mankind. Even if we don't get there its good to know there are those who risk everything to try. Wouldn't it be better to error on such an endeavor then to live out the alternative?
Thanx Canthinkofone! Nothing wrong with tickling the mind! | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/3/2007 11:46:57 AM |
The term Perpetual motion, taken literally, refers to movement that goes on forever. This is possible in the current theoretical understanding of physics as in Newton's First Law of Motion. A perpetual motion device or system would be one that requires a certain starting energy, and which, once started, can continue to run indefinitely, putting out far more energy than that which was required to begin the motion. However, such a device or system would be in violation of the law of Conservation of Energy, which states that energy can never be created or destroyed. The most conventional type of perpetual motion machine is a mechanical system which sustains motion whilst inevitably losing energy to friction and air resistance. (wikipedia)
OK so at the bottom it says that it looses energy to friction and AIR resistance, I dont know ANYTHING about perpetual motion, but what if they use this device where no air exists? And have as one poster mentioned about the magnets or something and NOT touching this way energy is not lost to friction. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/3/2007 12:08:13 PM | Haha Ok I am probably wrong here... But there are other gallaxies so MAYBE this could exist... I dont know but here goes nothing... What if there was something in space (maybe not our gallaxy of course) but some sort of a star or something, and you know when magnetic forces the negative and positive clash so they push away from eachother? Well... Maybe this star (like our sun how it gives us energy) etc. maybe it some how "pushes" this perpetual craft and it goes in orbit or something so it does not loose any energy since it was given its energy from another source and then when it finally orbits around, it has a pulling force so once again it never looses energy.
Does this make sense??? Haha I dont know, Im just throwing ideas out there.  | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/3/2007 3:51:09 PM | The day we create free energy will be bigger than any other day in prior history. There are probably thousands of people who claims they've done it, or know how to do it, but when the time comes to make it happen.... they fail.
This trend will continue for along time. Instead, I'd rather see us focus more on the current idea that to be becoming more and more successful. Such as solar cells listed in this same forum. We should be trying to make things as efficient as possible. The person who can get a new internal combustion engine that is fuel efficient, powerful, and accepted by society will be a huge accomplishment.
As for the original poster, please try the "free energy" machine. It's the harder way about learning it will be a failure, but good luck with your adventure. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/4/2007 1:34:44 AM | The problem is two fold. First say you get an perpetual motion machine going as soon as you have it do something like connect it to a generator to make power it is going to have added resistance and it will eventually stop. Before that, though, you have to solve the problem of actually making the PMM.
Can't be done. Anything that appears to will end up making a new field of science because it will likely really be tapping a unknown or nonunderstood field of science, like dark energy. And if it uses energy again will it really be a PMM? | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/4/2007 10:04:44 AM |
Haha Ok I am probably wrong here... But there are other gallaxies so MAYBE this could exist... I dont know but here goes nothing... What if there was something in space (maybe not our gallaxy of course) but some sort of a star or something, and you know when magnetic forces the negative and positive clash so they push away from eachother? Well... Maybe this star (like our sun how it gives us energy) etc. maybe it some how "pushes" this perpetual craft and it goes in orbit or something so it does not loose any energy since it was given its energy from another source and then when it finally orbits around, it has a pulling force so once again it never looses energy.
Does this make sense??? Haha I dont know, Im just throwing ideas out there.
No, the laws of physics are constant, even in other galaxies, sorry. | |
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| perpetual motion are there any amature inventors/scientists here
Posted: 6/4/2007 5:06:53 PM | And for Excercising those brain cells. Now they say it is the way to prevent your mind from aging so keep it up and you will always be beautiful from the inside out. 
sci4u, you should watch the movie "The Quiet Earth", it would blow your mind. I'd tell you about it but I don't want to ruin it for you or anyone else who wants to watch it. It's really worth watching. | |
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