| conservatives on rise in western wold..
Posted: 6/2/2007 9:41:50 PM | USA, Australia, Denmark, Austria, Germany, Canada and now France....
Why do you think conservatives are on rise in western world.. ??
why religion has become even more important in US presdential campaign ?
why conservative slogans ( such as terror war or not-so-friendly immigration policies) have suddenly become so appealing to masses in western world ?
Is this happening in response to MidEast situation ? or in response to economic prosperity of Asian nations? is it due to some "fear" ??
or there is some other reason ? | |
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| conservatives on rise in western wold..
Posted: 6/2/2007 11:18:12 PM | It is said in the "End Times" Evil will rule this earth..{now I'm not especially religious} but sounds like to me, that THEY are the evil they so talk about and it is PROOF by what they do and who they are that shows the rest of us "oh crap! we're in trouble" | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 11:27:31 PM | It's trouble - any way you slice it.
Do some research on this here:
www.infowars.com
www.prisonplanet.tv
Don't listen to poorly placed arguments about it, just check it out for yourselves. | |
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| conservatives on rise in western wold..
Posted: 6/2/2007 11:38:08 PM | IMHO, the book of 'Revelations' is a blueprint and it is not concerned with Conservatives VS Liberals. However, the view of the World thinks in these terms.
If read and followed logically, it centers more on locations (i.e. North Korea, Middle East, Russia, North America - which is not stand alone USA...but, rather the Continents).
The Western Belief system is vastly against the grain of the Middle East. The North Korean/Russian (Asia, etc.) have their own set of 'Rules of Engagement' which doesn't jive with either West (Continents of Americas, Canada, Europe, etc.)...or East....this equates to at least 3 diversified scenarios coming into play.
This is Geographical Conservatism coming into play. Ours and Theirs. Since the Liberals aren't regarded as 'Religious', that is the weak part of their hand. It's the lack of a 'Religious' stronghold within the Liberals which will be their undoing as to holding any kind of major political pull in the future.
I am not a church goer due to it's materialistic slant. I believe in God/Jesus and again, imho, that alone is the Force to be reckoned with. It's all leading there. | |
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Posted: 6/2/2007 11:51:01 PM | There are liberal and conservative slogans everywhere. I worry more about the polarization of the two. Neither are good or evil, and neither of them have a monopoly of religion including the christian faith.
The "fear" I see here is the concern of one or the other gaining popularity or being"on the rise".
What has made the west strong is we embraced ideas from each other. We need both, to stay strong and I hope people start remembering that soon. Neither is more progressive or traditional. The differents is what ideas they are "progressive or traditional" about.
To fear liberals or conservatives, is to fear ourselfs. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 12:35:11 AM | hmmm here in aussie with any luck, howard will be out on his backside this coming election.
9here in aussie he is liberal, but by comparrison he is just like thatcher was in the uk, conservative. both are in bed with big business, neither care about the people, both are union bashers.
unfortunatly, the labor government is so far to the right these days it is almost just as bad.
need a redical change in government, one that puts people and the environment above profits, and one that stops sticking its nose in other countries business. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 12:53:58 AM |
To fear liberals or conservatives, is to fear ourselfs.
True...very true. And that is what our enemies want. Divide and conquer is their plan. It's up to us to hopefully somehow understand that motive and disfuse it. | |
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| conservatives on rise in western wold..
Posted: 6/3/2007 3:29:03 AM | It's due to the fact that people are WAKING UP to the idea that their rights (and property) need protected from those who seek to take them away.
Parasites exist all over the world, their purpose in life is to sponge off others.
Parasites are concentrated in government, where they have the power and authority to TAKE things from one ----and give to another----expecting their vote in return. This dog will only hunt for a while, until the victims (productive citizens) grow tired of being ripped-off and but a stop to it.
Examples of this principle are abundant in todays world. the reason the "left" is so charged up lately is that they see their GRAVEY TRAIN approaching the station. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 5:22:06 AM | | I don't think conservatives are on the rise. I just believe they have become adept at stealing elections. Look at North America alone, they have stolen Mexico presidency, USA presidency and there are questions about the infrastructure about the Canadian political system. In the USA the left won in 06 by a landslide as more states are fixing the problems of stolen elections. SISL you are correct there are political parasites , like the right wing that gives billions in corporate welfare to undeserving and failing companies including airlines that were incompetent and cheap and allowed 911 to happen. Social welfare is like a needle in a haystack compared to the money involved in corporate welfare. By the way atheism is rising which I think is a good thing . 12 percent of USA are atheists and 30-35 percent of Europeans are atheists. I think its great more people are thinking logically. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 5:27:49 AM | You are about 30 years behind.
The ( so called ) neoconservative movement has been in the works since the early 70's.
There's little that's very conservative about it at all.
I suggest " Thunder on the Right ", by Alan Crawford, published in 1980.
He details the carefully planned and executed right wing conservative agenda, which in the last 15 years, we have seen come to fruition.
And in my opinion, has outlived it's political influence, as shown by the total imbecilic G.W. Bush administration. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 5:47:46 AM | The politics of of Religion swing back and forth ... over time you'll experience a "correction" as one side or the other oversteps their bounds and people seek another view of the world ..
It appears that this swing is about to happen again ... many think Conservatives have been in power for too long .. and according to the polls and mood of the Country .. they predict one of those corrections will coming soon ..
Once the mood of the Country shifts .. it's fruitless to struggle against it .. as an idealogical tsunami it consumes everything in it's path ..
As for gravey trains .. yes .. unfortunately .. both sides of the coin have their hands out .. and there will be those who prosper at the detriment of the common good .. and those now in power will cry and squirm .. as their turn ends .. but in the end .. to no avail ...
Momentum will wash most of what once was .. away .. | |
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| conservatives on rise in western wold..
Posted: 6/3/2007 6:17:45 AM | | It's all in how you read it. With 200 or so countries out there some will go left and some right. At the moment the right is very well organized. Corporate and religious backers have a ton of money to throw around and even get the Democrats to back off from their major points. The right wing talking points are starting to fail though judging by Iraq, amnesty for illegals, Abramoff and related scandals and the declining influence of Robertson and Falwell types. | |
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Joined: 2/20/2007
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| Feel free to be afraid--you have no cause to be so.
Posted: 6/3/2007 6:24:38 AM | Yes, conservatives are on the rise. Last falls election were an anamoly, most of the Democratic winners won by appearing to be conservative.
Conservatives, first and foremost, are advocates for SMALLER GOVERNMENT, on all levels. They believe that individuals are in charge of their own lives, and that government works for them, not versa-visa.
Feel free to stand in your ivory towers and criticize conservatives as "neandertals" all you like, such is not the case, and all of your crying will not help.
The "election stealing" is a domocratic tactic. Dead people in Chicago elected John Kennedy, and so it goes in most elections. Detroit is obviously corrupt to the core. Many examples exist. Yet republicans hold their own.
I have my own problems with the GOP, they are wimps and need to grow a spine. A prime example is the GOP attitude about the border. We need to CONTROL the border, and that means, bottom line, FORCE to stop illegals. No other border is as porus as ours. This S**T has to stop. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 7:09:39 AM | "I don't think conservatives are on the rise. I just believe they have become adept at stealing elections. Look at North America alone, they have stolen Mexico presidency, USA presidency and there are questions about the infrastructure about the Canadian political system."
The only questions about the infrastructure of the Canadian Political system is the inability of some voters to punish the Liberals who were the most corrupt government in the history of Canada.They rightly deserved to be booted into the political scrapyard of history yet they are the official opposition.Years of bribing taxpayers with their own money,America bashing and scare tactics about the evil Conservatives have paid off handsomely.Time in the hinterland of opposition hasn't tempered their arrogance and belief in their "divine right to rule".It won't be long until the glued to the public teat special interest groups vote them back in power and the socialized road to ruin for Canada resumes.
Conservatives may be on the rise in the Western world but not in Canada. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 10:08:37 AM | It depends on how you define "conservative". If you mean "Social Conservative", I'm afraid it's only found in the US, and not even part of the political vocabulary in Europe. Funny that the European countries that are listed are usually accused by conservatives as being socialistic. So which one is it? Or is it too much to ask for consistency?
I'm from Denmark, and the country has a goverment consisting of the Liberal and Conservative parties (they are very similar). They are (fiscal) conservative by Danish standards (but not fiscal conservative on a US scale), but on a US scale, both parties are like Democrats. | |
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| Feel free to be afraid--you have no cause to be so.
Posted: 6/3/2007 10:19:03 AM | "Conservatives, first and foremost, are advocates for SMALLER GOVERNMENT, on all levels"
No they used to be.....but not anymore.....thus we have a tax cut for the wealthy and increased government spending under Bush leading us back down the path of defecit spending and staggering national debt. TRUE conservatives want nothing to do with Bush and his cronies....the neocons have hijacked the GOP from true conservatives.
"Last falls election were an anamoly, most of the Democratic winners won by appearing to be conservative."
Not so....a monkey could've beat many of the GOP incumbents by just opposing the war....today's GOP could've seen that coming if they weren't so wrapped up in their own self-righteousness.
"all of your crying will not help."
I'm not crying.....The Dems took the mid-terms and they'll take the White House in 06.
"A prime example is the GOP attitude about the border. We need to CONTROL the border, and that means, bottom line, FORCE to stop illegals. No other border is as porus as ours. This S**T has to stop."
Kinda flies in the face of your assertion that true conservatives favor small government, doesn't it. Know how much money it'll cost the fed. gov't. to lock up that border like you want? Besides....many of the GOP's corporate masters don't want the border any tighter....where's their cheap labor going to come from? | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 10:40:15 AM | What are conservatives?
Most of the current high leadership in the Republican party aren't conservative.
The majority of Democrats used to be.
When voting I'll choose the side that is or leans conservative. The current lack of choices there really bothers me. So I really don't agree with the assertion of the OP.
These are principles that tend to define it.
http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html
The opposition try and in a lot of cases succeed to redefine the word as they do with all words that represent principles they have a problem with i.e.; marriage, illegal-immigration, responsibility, rights, privileges, property, borders, language, culture, fairness, oppression. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 11:36:21 AM | United States: Democrats won....conservatives lost.
Canada: the Conservatives are a minority gov't and can't go to the bathroom
without asking the liberals for permission.
Britain: Ask the people...they don't like conservatism and this war and
there's a much anti-Americanism going on there by the majority of
it's population.
The rest....I imagine a statistical anomaly. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 12:14:17 PM | Not so....a monkey could've beat many of the GOP incumbents by just opposing the war
GOP had my vote- because of their support of current actions- which in my view is the US supporting a minority's right to exist and be equally protected from the religious majority that would oppress them. ---yeah, I know their corp.interests there too.
Kinda flies in the face of your assertion that true conservatives favor small government, doesn't it.
Not at all. Our current leaders and bureaucrats are all but completely derelict in this duty to provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare. The line begins "We the people of the United States" and we do have borders to maintain and secure. The current laws should be enforced and government has that responsibility. I prefer they leave the laws as they are and start enforcing them. New laws or regulations should support those current laws, maybe by increasing penalties and funding.
GOP's corporate masters
Don't even try to lump them in with the conservatives. The "corporate masters" should be handled by strong labor unions that stay out of politics all together and promote individual responsibility with in their ranks while demanding the wages and conditions that align with the corps profits.
The Dems and GOP are more interested in collecting votes/power than standing on any defined principles. Geez, gimme a party that defines its principles and sticks with them. The conservative principles are what win elections when followed by their candidates. The GOP took a bath because they left those behind in an attempt to gain votes/power through left leaning compromises and influence of "their corporate masters", same can be said of why Dems won votes. (they have their "corporate masters" too) The Dems I know personally are a hell of a lot more conservative than liberal, they don't vote GOP because of old ideas of what the Dems were. There really isn't any difference between the parties other than, who controls the money. The undefined principles of power and greed.
I just believe they have become adept at stealing elections.
Still mad cause your chad was left hanging? | |
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| conservatives on rise in western wold..
Posted: 6/3/2007 12:42:15 PM | One thing is for sure, conservatives are on rise. There might have been right-wing governments here and there in the past (Ronald Regan for example), but the consistent victories of right-wingers throughout (or considerable) parts of Europe and North America definitely points to a shift in western world thinking. Election stealing.. well, one person one vote; you cant steal much..
Even though some conservatives may be in a minority government ( Canada for example) but they do push for their agenda no matter what and I have no doubt that conservatives are in Canada to stay and they are going to get stronger with every passing day no matter what. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 12:44:18 PM | Like it or not, it's going to take massive return to conservative values to get the USA's crime rate, educational, economy and all other aspects into a viable stance.
Consider the sheer numbers of baby boomers coming into play now..who have the time on their hands (many are entering retirement) to put their focus on what's going on in the US rather than so focused on their careers.
Conservatism will become more and more in the forefront based on the type of population coming into play where it counts (retirement, pensions, healthcare, etc.). Remember this is the generation which had a loud and collective voice. It's showing up again now that leisure time is at hand for this generation.
And, as for 'election stealing'. What a laugh to contribute it to one party or the other. The Republicans being in power during the internet/media evolution puts it on display. Don't fool yourself into believing that the Democrats don't steal. Think Kennedys right off the bat. The cover-ups were simply easier to keep from public view back then. Simple as that. | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 1:13:17 PM | Remember this is the generation which had a loud and collective voice. It's showing up again now that leisure time is at hand for this generation.
But do they , majority speaking, lean left or right? It seems to me they are more left than center. More in favor of nanny state assuming control of what should be personal/corp responsibility. They are far too trusting of government to responsibly handle these matters for them. Ours is pretty good at defense, building (some) stuff and blowing stuff up. They are masters of taking private property by the laws they create. Corps have to earn it through competition, supply and demand. I have no proplem handing over my money to anyone who earns it. I do however have a problem with my money being seized and distributed in the form of charities I would not normally support. I would dare to say the most so-called liberals feel the same, since tax revenue goes to the wealthiest through poorest in one form or another. | |
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| conservatives on rise in western wold..
Posted: 6/3/2007 3:17:45 PM | I agree with you about the "Corporate Welfare" Airlines are just ONE of many examples, IF they can't make money and stay in business, let em flop like the dead fish they are. Please realize that the failing airlines are almost all feather-bedded unionized companies. Non-Union airlines are beating them up badly.
Another "Corporate Welfare" client is PROFESSIONAL SPORTS---notably football. Taxpayers build the stadiums "for the public good"---Taxpayers subsidize most of the over-priced seats--"business expense write-offs"---and the owners and players make MILLIONS. Give me a break, let en build their own stadiums at their own expense. I have never been to a football game, and never expect to go. Why is it my obligation to keep these jocks in luxury?
Conservatives, as I said in another post----want SMALLER GOVERNMENT---this is not something ANY politician will ever support. Jefferson (my hero) would be rolling over in his grave if he knew our current state of affairs.
Also---someone please tell me how to highlight parts of other posts to include in my own, I am a newby here, and enjoying it very much. TYVM | |
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Posted: 6/3/2007 3:24:52 PM | Except for the US, most examples cited in the OP are parliamentary democracies. I'll reiterate a truism about this form of democracy: opposition parties don't win elections, governments lose them.
Three consecutive terms for any party is very rare in parliaments. So in 6 to 8 years pretty much all the examples cited will be electing socialist parties. It won't mean a rise of the left when that happens anymore than it's a rise of conservatism when the rascals thrown out now are centre or left of centre. | |
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