*Jay
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Joined: 1/26/2007
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/19/2007 5:32:44 PM | Once again, dangerous dogs have attacked someone....today, a mailman was mauled by 2 bull mastiffs when they escaped out of the owner's house.
There's no doubt that the dogs should be put down, but what do you think the owner's punishment should be? I personally think that they should be locked in a room with a strange pitbull, rottweiler, doberman and/or (insert viscious type of dog) for an hour or 2 after having starved the dogs for days  | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/19/2007 6:22:19 PM | I love that idea too Jay, I am terrified of dogs, if I had a gun and one of these so called friendly dogs came after me, I would shoot it, no questions asked.
That is how much I am scared of them.
I can't stand the activists that will raise their signs and say not my dog, my dog is a a baby and so on and so on and so on.
You will be attacked by them, you know that right Jay.
Get out the pepper spray, here they come. lol | |
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*Jay
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Joined: 1/26/2007
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/19/2007 7:55:49 PM | | actually nope, I'm one to believe that if some of these breeds are raised properly with love and care, they will turn out fine....I'm not one of those people that believe a certain breed of dog is bound to turn out bad no matter what...but if the dog DOES turn out bad...it is the owner's fault 100% | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/19/2007 8:04:04 PM | | I agree with Jay. It is the owner's responsibility to ensure that they have properly trained their dog. I have three dogs. All have and will continue to go through training. However, my dogs are not just pets. They are service animals that require extra training. If you don't take the time to properly train your animal, you do not deserve that animal and you have most likely destroyed the animal as well. Why? A poorly trained animal is unpredictable and can not be completely trusted. | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/19/2007 8:10:21 PM | Punish the deed not the breed!
The the guardians of those dogs should be banned from having dogs ever again. They should also face charges. Unfortunately I know a girl who had horribly untrainned dogs that got out and bit a child. The dog was put down and that's it. She now has a new dog that would fit in to the same needs category ... that's not fair to the dog or the public!
I think for certain breeds there should be a license to keep them stating you know how to handle them. | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/19/2007 8:28:46 PM |
but what do you think the owner's punishment should be?
paying all the postal worker`s medical bills i`m sure would be punishment enuff yes it would include surgery.. if the postal worker needed it.. and therapy after.. | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/19/2007 8:43:09 PM |
There's no doubt that the dogs should be put down, but what do you think the owner's punishment should be? If this is the first time the dogs have attached anyone, they should be taken away from the owner yes. There is a possibility that the dogs with proper training could be great pets for someone. However, if the dogs have a history of aggression, then yes they should be put down. As for the punishment of the owner, he should be required to cover all medical costs for the victim but also be ordered to spend at least 6 months at both the SPCA as well as the local dog pound. Here he would see first hand the results of what happens to poorly trained animals. He/she should be required to work with and train the dogs with the staff. If that has no affect, ban them from ever owning an animal again. | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/19/2007 10:49:34 PM | Mailman attacked by a dog?!! What - that never happens!!!!!
Ok, jokes aside - I won't rant too much, but I have to dissagree that there is "no doubt" that the dog should be put down. Depends on the circumstances - it's the owner not the dog I'm sick of animals being put down for being animals - punish the owner. We went through this with the rodeo thread, so I'm not going to go on about animal cruelty. | |
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*Jay
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Joined: 1/26/2007
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/19/2007 11:11:41 PM | | I beg to differ, some dogs have just been bred and trained to be killers...they should be destroyed, period. But then again, I also believe in capital punishment though so....similar argument. | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/20/2007 5:24:09 AM | it is the owner's fault 100%
That is akin to saying that anything a child does is always the parent's fault. Not necessarily. A dog can be provoked to bite.
Having said that, there are some dogs that are trained to be vicious but a lot of dogs that bite just haven't been trained. It's like people having children - not everyone should have one.
The incident should be investigated and if the owner is thought to be negligent then charges should be laid. People should know better than to keep an animal that they can't control. | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/20/2007 5:52:14 AM |
..if the owner is thought to be negligent then charges should be laid..
Not only has he been charged, there were some outstanding warrants on the owner and he was arrested last night.
All dogs can be trained to react or respond to different signals, but with so much in-breeding of many of these "mastiff" there nay have been an inherant defect the owner was unaware of. With some types of breeds, and because there is limited breeding stalk, problems are surfacing more frequently that lead a dog to "lose it's mind" so to speak.
Selective breeding, which is required to keep them pure blood, eventually will cause problems.
Fortunately the mailperson is recovering fine. | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/20/2007 7:22:31 AM |
We went through this with the rodeo thread, [quote/]
lol yes we did lol
fun wasnt it? Heck what is the big deal , it was only a postman . Surprised those **stards go on strike each year before Christmas [ yes Christmas not the politicaly correct crap] for more money but they never ask for protection from dog attacks. | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/20/2007 8:47:21 AM | Could it be a freak accident??
My dog (small breed) doesn't normally bark at passer-by's, but when the mailman comes, I always KNOW! lol
I have a gate at my door, and the little bugger still gets out once in awhile... If he EVER bit ANYONE, I would expect a very large fine, and would immediately enroll us in training school.
I say, fine the owner, and MAKE them take the dogs for training. Why kill an animal that hasn't been taught properly? How does that make the situation right?
Now if he unleashed the dogs purposely... that's another story... The owner get a hefty fine, and the dogs are confinscated.
Glad to hear the Mailman is ok  | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/20/2007 10:42:45 PM | | It wasn't a freak accident. The gate was not properly latched. The dogs got out through the open gate and attached the mailman. The woman who owns the dogs is not just upset, she's furious. She's also feeling very sorry for herself at the moment. She blames the mailman for coming around the corner and trying to deliver her mail. She claims the dogs are there to protect her and her daughter. If the dogs were trained properly, they would not leave the yard let alone attach unless they perceived a threat of some kind. Their training would prevent them from leaving the yard if no one entered. The mailman was not entering the yard. He was merely reaching for the mailbox. For that he earned a nice gash, some stitches, what will be a really good bruise and time off work. The owner didn't even have her dogs licenced. That really sounds like a responsible pet owner to me. At least she doesn't have to worry about the mailman delivering her mail anymore. Canada Post has cut off her mail delivery and deemed her house as a dangerous property. For carelessness and irresponsibility of the owners, two dogs may pay for their owners stupidity. | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/21/2007 11:27:23 AM | | I do not know about this story, but I think most of the blame and responsiblity falls on the owner. I agree that some breeds have aggressive-tendencies but that simply means that the owners need to either take more responsibility or not have that breed at all. Many in Ontario were against banning breeds or putting muzzles on certain dogs. A dog's instinct is to protect but dog's do not have control like most people do. Though it may be likely to have certian aggressive breeds to not attack (how often do doberman or put bulls really attack?) but how often does a seatbelt really prevent you form getting hospitalized. A knife or a gun does not harm someone on its own. | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/22/2007 11:44:05 AM | Its not the dog's fault, dogs are not born with a mean disposition, cmon whens the last time someone got mauled by a 4week old puppy (Aside from just playing, which they do)
Why they would put down the dog, im sure the message would reach loud and clear if they PUT DOWN THE OWNER | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 6/22/2007 7:33:15 PM | It's been a common statistic in the USA that German Shepards and****r spaniels have the largest # of bite incidents causing harm on an annual basis.
Cocker Spaniels incidents have decreased because the breeder population realized they were breeding for appearance and the personality traits were undesireable, but not before serious harm had been caused to many adults and children.
You will find that if y ou research the aggressive tendancies of dogs, it really is not centralized to "attack" breeds. The "attack" breeds are too often selected by undesireable individuals trying to train them to protect the owner from other gang or criminal individuals.
If society got serious - we'd also have to insist that people take parenting classes before procreating or DRIVING for that matter!
We are too "open" and flexible society. The sad thing is that the dogs will indeed pay a high price for the owner being an A##HOLE, and giving the rest of society something negative to chew on.
*sigh* why can't we just keep more of these kinds of people in jail? | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 7/5/2007 10:01:36 PM | I think that the Majority of the blame should be put on the owner. Training classes are not at all hard to find, and there are a large percent of unstable dogs that could benefit from constant training. I think it should be a life style for all dog owners. I have a high strung Australian Shepherd, Border Collie cross that barks like she's going to attack anything that moves, but she is trained well enough to not move until I tell her she can once I know there is nothing to worry about. Her barking is her herding instincts coming out. She barks at my three cats but has never made a move against them, she barks at other dogs (which is why she trained to lay down in the car, can't be causing an accident because of a barking dog lol) I think that when you have a dog you must always be assertive and aware of the surroundings at all times. It is the Owners responsibility to make sure their dog is under control. The dog owners that don't care enough are the ones that help to instill fear in some people and help to make a tragedy like an attack a reality instead of a possibility. Also make those of us that train, and prepare our dogs look bad!  | |
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| Calgary mailman attacked by dogs
Posted: 7/6/2007 11:58:00 PM | I was the investigating steward for this attack. the woman had no control over the dogs (or her mouth either) the carrier is recovering but will carry the scars for life. She has even gone so far as to try and register a formal complaint with the ombudsmans office, placing all the blame for the attack on the carrier. The court case about the dogs is soon but the amount of money involved is mind boggling.
And For everybodies knowledge base the postal workers in Canada has never gone on strike at Christmas time, furthermore all social cheques are delivered during any strike by volunteer carriers. | |
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