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 AJsHere

Joined: 6/24/2007
Msg: 1
POF MAIL: Names of other sites changed in e-mails to 'Spam Site'
Posted: 6/30/2007 8:57:03 PM
I wrote an e-mail to a young lady who I happened to found that she had a "MySpace" Site . I sent the e-mail and after I re-read my e-mail, I noticed that "Myspace" was changed to "Spam Site"

So now this young lady thinks I just told her that I found her Spam Site!

How offending does that now make me!

Stupid, VERY STUPID

Plentyoffish needs to fix that
 Ticketoride

Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 2
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Posted: 6/30/2007 9:19:21 PM
I noticed that "Myspace" was changed to "Spam Site"

"Myspace" is Spam.

How offending does that now make me!

Forum Rules
No Websites which either mirror or link off to other Sites such as advertising Front Ends. No Links to your own Website, or free Hosting Sites, ie. MySpace, Geocities, Facebook, etc.


Keep sending Spam, the Destiny of your Profile is invariable:Censored Words
Censored Profanities

Also have a look here:

Deleted ProfilesProfile Deleted. Why?Missing/Deleted

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 AJsHere

Joined: 6/24/2007
Msg: 3
Angry-Names of other sites changed in e-mails
Posted: 7/3/2007 10:00:15 PM
Ticketoride,

Maybe you didn't understand my post. I wasn't purposely trying to send SPAM to anyone. All I did was mention to someone about THEIR OWN Myspace account.
I didn't include a link or anything trying to promote Myspace on this site.

Understand now? I wasn't sending SPAM. Just typing a word that was changed without letting me know first.

I'm just a regular guy, not some anti-speech Nazi. I may assume obscene words may be restricted, but not "Myspace"
 Ticketoride

Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 4
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Posted: 7/3/2007 10:29:39 PM
I noticed that "Myspace" was changed to "Spam Site"

I may assume obscene words may be restricted, but not "Myspace"

Then it has been tagged as a Spam Link, in other Words, the Site's Filter has picked up on it, and renamed "Myspace" to "Spam Site".

Don't post a Link to any Hosting Sites in your E-Mails, nor these Forums.

Source:Forum Rules

Just typing a word that was changed without letting me know first.

There is no Function to point out what the Site's Spam Filters will block.
Nor, according to the Admin, will there ever be one.

The Filters will always remain a bit of a Mystery to hamper Spammers & Scammers from testing/circumventing the Filters.

The Admin has his own proprietary Ways to monitor and catch unwanted Elements on Site.

Now if you were a real Spammer, you would have continued to test a workaround to send your Message through, and had your Chops busted in a Flash.
 RalGash

Joined: 2/7/2006
Msg: 5
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Posted: 7/4/2007 5:41:47 AM
Why is MySpace considered spam? It's a free site and many people love it, including myself.

I also enjoy F a c e Book <--Ah must be because it got edited out when I put the letters together. Is that considered spam as well?

Are other free sites in general considered spam and why?

I really would like to know.

It's a real pain putting alot of spaces in just to tell someone to look at your M Y S P A C E or to look you up on F a c e b o o k.

Plentyoffish is a stand alone dating site that is doing extremely well.... seems a little fishy that it seems to feel threatened by other free sites.

Maybe a list should be made so people can avoid embarrassment? I too have been embarrassed by telling someone about www.somespamsite.com and had guys mail me back that thats a strange site name what is it about etc.
 trappedonbayst

Joined: 1/3/2005
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Posted: 7/4/2007 7:14:02 AM

Maybe a list should be made so people can avoid embarrassment? I


re-read message 4, post before yours, as to why not.
 Ticketoride

Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 7
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Posted: 7/4/2007 12:01:28 PM
Are other free sites in general considered spam and why?

    Do not post Spam!

    What's a Spammer? Someone who promotes either by LINK (Website), ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER or any other means any Person, Establishment of Commerce or any other Entity that engages into any Type of Transaction for the Exchange of Money. This also incl. Website's which either mirror or link off to other Sites such as adverstising Front Ends. No Links to your own Website, or free Hosting Sites, ie. Geocities, etc.


    Forum Rules - Specific



seems a little fishy that it seems to feel threatened by other free sites.

Even more fishy those who want to promote Websites to the POF Userbase.
Verboten !!!

Send your Non-POF E-Mail Addy to anyone you like and spam the living Daylights out them any which way you please.

Maybe a list should be made so people can avoid embarrassment?

Read the Link to the Forum Rules above as well as the Terms of Service/User Agreement


 Admin

Joined: 3/27/2001
Msg: 8
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Posted: 7/4/2007 3:30:32 PM
Lots of music people come here and spam the hell of out users with links to my space.
 galonvan

Joined: 2/4/2007
Msg: 9
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Posted: 7/4/2007 3:46:59 PM
I can understand what the admin is trying to do. I think however what everyone else is trying to imply is that there should be a better way to filter spam. For example, if a user asks another user "Hey, do you have a "XXXXXXX" account?" That person should be able to respond via email on here with "Yes, I do. It's *enter the link here*".

Maybe something should be implemented to where the filter is no longer enforced once initial contact has been made. This way someone can't make an account and just randomly spam every user with "Go to my MySpace music page!", but if "User A" messages "User B", and "User B" messages "User A" back, they are now free to send links back and forth with eachother.

Does this make sense to anyone?
 Ticketoride

Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 10
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Posted: 7/4/2007 4:44:03 PM
Maybe something should be implemented to where the filter is no longer enforced once initial contact has been made. This way someone can't make an account and just randomly spam every user with "Go to my MySpace music page!", but if "User A" messages "User B", and "User B" messages "User A" back, they are now free to send links back and forth with eachother.

Currently all Site Filters function the same Way, whether you are using Banking Terms, Profanity, Weblinks, etc.

There are already Filters in place which stop massive Spam in its Tracks, such as Limits on identical E-Mails, how many People you can contact per Day, etc.

I don't think it would amount to much more than a few more mails being sent back and forth to continue the Spam ... just a little more work.


 galonvan

Joined: 2/4/2007
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Posted: 7/4/2007 11:16:43 PM
Perhaps, but in order for a said spammer to spam people, they would first have to initiate conversation with every individual they'd like to spam (basically everybody), and then they'd have to actually get a response from the user in order to send spam back to them. In the end, the typical user will not respond to the initial email, and therefor the spammer will never be able to later send them a "go to my music site at XXXXXXX.com..".
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 12
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Posted: 7/5/2007 12:07:33 AM
You'd need a peek at the number of spammers/scammers caught to really judge the effectiveness of how things are here, considering a user base of 5,000,000+, the numbers get quite large.
 HK,Baby

Joined: 5/15/2007
Msg: 13
Angry-Names of other sites changed in e-mails
Posted: 7/6/2007 12:48:30 AM
Here's a concept>>>>>>exchange email addy's and take it elsewhere, contact the person on the other sites etc etc.....LOL
Angry-Names of other sites changed in e-mails
Posted: 7/6/2007 1:07:30 AM

Maybe something should be implemented to where the filter is no longer enforced once initial contact has been made. This way someone can't make an account and just randomly spam every user with "Go to my MySpace music page!", but if "User A" messages "User B", and "User B" messages "User A" back, they are now free to send links back and forth with eachother.

Does this make sense to anyone?


And what is to stop these spammers from using this to their advantage and conning someone? Just another door that is opened for more grief that the filter would have to be reimplemented if they did modify it...just 'nother can a worms that would have to be delt with on top of keeping the site running as it is. Why the grief? Like the other poster above me says...ya got email addys outta here; why not use them?
 Mountain Lion 1

Joined: 10/25/2006
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Posted: 7/6/2007 1:50:28 AM
Thanks for the insights admin and MOD’s

OP AJsHere
I don’t quite get why anyone would feel embarrassed about certain communications. It is only caused by not adhering (knowing) the rules, that is not the fault of this site. If you like to exchange things this site does not let you then by all means send your friends your personal email and communicate further that way. This option is open to you.

I don’t think you comment
seems a little fishy that it seems to feel threatened by other free sites
is correct or appropriate.

All things in consideration, this is a free site that offers a great deal for users. The many necessary rules and terms of service are already more than most will ever read or care to know.
POF’s concept, and in relative terms speaking simplicity, are its success and allow admin to operate it basically as a “one man show”. The filters in general are just fine. The little inconveniences of certain terms labeled as profanity being deleted, which may or may not constitute a profanity in a user’s eye, are negligible in light of the 5 million + user base.
The administrative efforts of keeping the site spam free and up to date to block unwanted hacker access out are complex enough.
While some improvements may be nice to have in light of the greater picture the rules against linking to outside websites are simple enough to keep and just fine, and they are placed for the sole protection of all the users.
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 16
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Posted: 7/6/2007 2:09:47 AM
Try a pay site to see if you can send links or email addies. I predict, ..............no.
 Mountain Lion 1

Joined: 10/25/2006
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Posted: 7/6/2007 2:44:41 PM
^^^^
 Ticketoride

Joined: 6/3/2004
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Posted: 7/6/2007 9:54:26 PM
This way someone can't make an account and just randomly spam every user with "Go to my MySpace music page!"

And then ... should the Admin decide to allow you to use certain Links after you have been in Contact, which Filters should, and shouldn't apply.

Profanity OK after the second e-mail? Wiring Co-ordintaes too?

Newer Filters are always added and updated, which ones would apply to "Favourites, which ones should only apply to those you have been in Contact with ...

See the Maze of Complexity?

Just so you can mention a particular Hosting Site, which by the Way, has been Filtered since Time immemorial?

And then ... implementing all that would be another technical Nightmare altogether.


 TheBigG

Joined: 7/24/2006
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Posted: 7/7/2007 10:22:23 AM
Ticket, I hate to say it, but what's with being unhelpful and adversarial? It doesn't help matters nor sooth those of use who are _VERY_ annoyed with this "feature" that has yet to cause anything but headaches for us.

As to complexity, it's not complex. It's not even hard. Just put in a dang option. All of 5 minutes of work in the php code this place should be running... oh, wait, my bad - it's aspx... make that 15 minutes.

Define technical nightmare. I'm sorry, but I don't see it as that hard.

(see, I can be an arse too... back to your regularly scheduled forums)
 Ticketoride

Joined: 6/3/2004
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Posted: 7/7/2007 1:41:33 PM
Ticket, I hate to say it, but what's with being unhelpful and adversarial?

Entirely your own Fabrication that doesn't merit any Response other than to point that out.

It doesn't help matters nor sooth those of use who are _VERY_ annoyed with this "feature" that has yet to cause anything but headaches for us.

The Filters are not here to "soothe" anyone's Disposition, but to eliminate Spam and Scam from the Site, and is executed based on the Statistics the Admin has drawn upon, which supercede in Importance.

As to complexity, it's not complex. It's not even hard. Just put in a dang option. All of 5 minutes of work in the php code this place should be running... oh, wait, my bad - it's aspx... make that 15 minutes.

Define technical nightmare. I'm sorry, but I don't see it as that hard.

I will leave that for the Admin to comment on ...


 celticsfan1983

Joined: 3/18/2007
Msg: 21
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Posted: 8/10/2007 10:49:48 AM
I understand that you don't want a M-Y-S-P-A-C-E link in people's profiles, but why censor other people's messages? Nobody has given a good reason why messages are filtered. Yes, spam is an evil thing, but I've never encountered spam on this site, and I don't think that adding the phrase m-y-s-p-a-c-e to a message is going to encourage spam.

Pretty soon, I won't be able to tell people that I am 5-spam-11, that I weigh 175 spams, with long brown spam and hazel spam, and that I love going to the lake on the weekends and spam, and that I love listening to the group spam, because God forbid a spammer would target people with my description.

I'd share more of my feelings, but spam spam won't let me share my spam with spam on the spam message spam.
 JustAChildLikeMe

Joined: 10/24/2005
Msg: 22
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Posted: 8/10/2007 11:09:00 AM
Nobody has given a good reason why messages are filtered.


Answer:


Yes, spam is an evil thing,


I think you answered your own question.


but I've never encountered spam on this site,


Which is why there are filters to prevent spam.
 trappedonbayst

Joined: 1/3/2005
Msg: 23
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Posted: 8/10/2007 2:21:25 PM

but why censor other people's messages?


to protect the unsuspecting targets of real spammers who send these souls to virus/spyware laden sites - good enough?
 Ticketoride

Joined: 6/3/2004
Msg: 24
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Posted: 8/11/2007 5:56:26 AM
why censor other people's messages? Nobody has given a good reason why messages are filtered. Yes, spam is an evil thing, but I've never encountered spam on this site, and I don't think that adding the phrase m-y-s-p-a-c-e to a message is going to encourage spam.

Read the entire Thread !


 puf_the_majic_dragon

Joined: 12/18/2004
Msg: 25
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Posted: 8/11/2007 8:28:28 AM

Ticket, I hate to say it, but what's with being unhelpful and adversarial? It doesn't help matters nor sooth those of use who are _VERY_ annoyed with this "feature" that has yet to cause anything but headaches for us.


Yes, some of us are more than a little annoyed, but I completely understand the reasons for the filters. You'd need a machete to hack and slash your way through some of the filters on some of the christian dating sites out there.... PoF's aren't really that bad.


As to complexity, it's not complex. It's not even hard. Just put in a dang option. All of 5 minutes of work in the php code this place should be running... oh, wait, my bad - it's aspx... make that 15 minutes.


Amen reverend!

What I don't understand is why the filter includes the root domain? I can understand filtering "www.my space.com", but why filter just "my space"? Any band or spammer would have to place the actual URL in their messages for it to do them any good.

On the flip side - I laughed my @$$ off when I first tried putting my "my space" link in my profile and I saw it turned into somespamsite - that was the funniest (and most appropriate) joke I'd seen since Robin Williams did his scottish golf skit. Seriously, "my space" is spam - not just when used in a link on a mass message, but just by itself, its mere existence is spam - a blight on the face of the internet. It's more spammy than that slimy salty pseudomeat in a can.


Here's a concept>>>>>>exchange email addy's and take it elsewhere, contact the person on the other sites etc etc.....LOL


Some people are hesitant to exchange their real e-mails early on. E-mail addresses tend to carry more (acurate) personal information than a dating site handle, and they're also more of a pain to delete when the spam and stalkers find you. And also - many of us would rather refer someone to our somespamsite page (I filtered that myself :D ) than to our personal e-mail.
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