| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 6:28:05 AM | In Murphree TX they let every person caught by Chris Hansons TO CATCH A PREDATOR go free. This was the town where the man killed himself. I have to admit I somewhat am suspicious by the way this show operates . I am not saying these guys are good people but lets be real. They really ARE meeting someone over the minority age. Usually in sting operations cops will use underage people and actually have the meeting. Also Perverted Justice is 'reading minds' . Whose to say these men are not fantasizing and really believe the girl or boy in some cases is over the age they say. I know its a reach but internet is not a tell all for age. There is also a clear case of entrapment. I might be deemed unpopular for agreeing with the law system of Murphree Tx, but I try to think rationally not based on emotion . I am looking at the whole picture as was the judge in Murphree TX.
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 6:52:26 AM | | To be honest these type of shows have sickened me all along, a clear cut case of the media overstepping it's boundaries! For one it's all about ratings to them, they have no concept of constitutional rights and I really don't think they care, for two... as you mentioned.... it is most definatly entrapment, for three I feel that until you are actually convicted of a crime that you have a certain right to privacy that should protect you from being paraded out in front of millions watching on TV as a child molestor! | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 6:59:20 AM | | Exactly mr bad. I like the show I find it entertaining but it is about ratings. I have had gfs I have role played with and really who is to say these guys do not believe the girls are older. We are treading dangerous waters when we arrest people and incarcerate people by trying to read their minds. That is big brother at its worst. Most likely these guys do believe the girl is underage but so what, no one knows for sure what they believe or what they are thinking. Again I do not support pedophiles but I am trying to think about this logically not emotionally. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 8:55:12 AM | | As an abused child I would like to see all of these people doing hard time for their crimes. But I believe in our justice system and do not think the media should be interfering in what should be a police investigation, not a ratings game. It is not an easy process to gather evidence, make an arrest and present it as a court case that has a chance of conviction. When things like this reality show happen, it only teaches these criminals how to get around our legal system, then puts them back out in the world to harm someone else. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 9:24:56 AM |
I have a thirteen year old grandaughter and if one of you pervs shows up looking for her, you won't need to worry about Chris Hanson... or shooting yourself.
Thats the point, he didn't show up. He didn't go to the agreed upon meeting place, so they went to his house.
His crime was sexually talking to a person who was pretending to be a kid.
Anyway the real problem I have with this show is the chain of evidence is corrupted from the get go. Esentially these people are busted by chat logs, chat logs held on non police computers by a tv show that is trying to produce ratings. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 9:30:25 AM |
These pervs got exactly what was coming to them. A little public humiliation for bad behavior and trying to exploit kids got them exploited instead.
Good on them.
Hmmm... really??? They're all free on the streets now thanks to the interference of the media.... and as much as I hate to say it.... rightfully so... the media has no business whatsoever acting as police.... I wonder how many legitimate investigations these guys destroyed by choosing to take the law into thier own hands..... now think about that! | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 9:38:02 AM | First off, sexually propositioning a minor is a crime.
Secondly, entrapment only occurs when the police officer in question asks the would-be offender to commit a crime. For example: Entrapment would be if an undercover police officer went up to a drug dealer and asked for heroin. However, if an arrest results from the drug dealer going up to the undercover officer and offering him or her heroin, then that would be perfectly kosher.
In this case ("To Catch A Predator"), if the would-be adult offender is the one to proposition the minor for sex, then that person can be arrested. Entrapment would only be the case if the decoy was the one who suggested meeting for sex.
All that being said, I don't know how things work if the "minor" being propositioned isn't actually a minor, but is only posing as one. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 9:41:31 AM | C'mon Charles. Get real!
I can appreciate your legal concerns but you're playing semantics here.
When a grown man talks dirty with someone they believe to be a kid, it's deplorable (albeit fanasy land) but when that same S.O.B. shows up at that kid's home carrying booze, dope, condoms and even gets naked, it's wrong anyway you look at it and all the legal mumbo jumbo won't change that. These "innocent" people had no business in teenage chat rooms to begin with and even less business at the home of that child.
As I said... show up at my grandaughter's and you'll get my version of justice.
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 9:46:15 AM |
Hmmm... really??? They're all free on the streets now thanks to the interference of the media.... and as much as I hate to say it.... rightfully so... the media has no business whatsoever acting as police.... I wonder how many legitimate investigations these guys destroyed by choosing to take the law into thier own hands..... now think about that!
Yes...really. No, they are not ALL free on the streets right now, and the "interference" from the media means nothing in terms of the accused's intent. Perverted Justice has collared MANY online perverts, and rightfully so. Go to their website and see for yourself. They have been doing this long before Chris Hansen and Dateline NBC got involved.
Nobody is "taking the law into their own hands". They were acting in cooperation with various police forces, turned over all evidence to the prosecutors, and charges HAVE stuck. And while it is illegal for civilians to pretend they are minors online in Canada, it is not illegal in this instance in the U.S.
Like I said, good on them. I suggest all pervs things about that next time they try to diddle a kid online. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 9:59:15 AM | | AHhh but is the so called criminals intent . They are reading minds essentially. These people are being jailed for having their minds read by an amateurish organization- Perverted Justice. It is just like MADD enforcing drunk driving. The fact is one can talk to someone that says they are 13 and that means nothing . People lie about age all the time . In fact they are meeting someone OF AGE . Some of you people see my point . In a classroom for example , clearly a teacher involved with a student knows the age of a person. Be objective , thats all I am saying . I know this is an emotionally charged issue but try to see it the way the MURPHREE judge saw it . Again I am not saying these men are model citizens. I am saying that we are going into very dangerous waters . In fact , I am sure the defense of some of these that got arrested by CATCH A PREDATOR are saying just that - the person that they met was indeed NOT A MINOR. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 10:04:44 AM | | I don't personally know the case in question but I have seen some of the programs described where "men" are given a location to meet underage girls after chatting with them on the internet. If these pervs get humiliated, jailed, exposed or otherwise treated to public scrutiny, they deserve it! Who is the "mind reader" here? Saying that we don't know their intent or that they might be doing some kind of role-playing is putting your head in the sand. These are child predators! Get them off the street and back into their sorted little lives inside their houses at least or in jail where they belong. These "men" walking the streets is dangerous. These guys are looking for these girls. Why? To role-play? Because they are curious? BS. They are looking for victims. That is like saying if we find someone with 500 pounds of explosives in his car parked at the airport we don't really know his intent. He might just be role-playing as a terrrorist. Wake up people. If you have a daughter, a sister, a girlfriend would you be okay if one of these guys came around looking for her because he "thought" she MIGHT be older? Get real. These shows "looking for ratings" are a service to the community. There are other services in our communities to protect us from these perverts. One everyone should know about is called the National Sex Offender Registry. They dont allow me to put links here, but you can also look it up under FamilyWatchDog dot US dot com. It has links to a map with registered sex offenders in your area, some with addresses, pics and description. This is a highly valuable resouce that everyone should be aware of. I don't see limits when it comes to protecting ourselves from sex offenders and child molesters. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 10:06:39 AM |
I can appreciate your legal concerns but you're playing semantics here.
No I'm seriously not. You have to understand that in this sort of crime, an accusation = automatic life ruined.
Cops make mistakes all the time, sometimes they play fast and lose with the rules. Letting the media do a vigilante justice style show seriously screws up the chain of evidence. I'm not saying people shouldn't be prosecuted, I'm saying that it shouldn't be done for ratings.
As I said... show up at my grandaughter's and you'll get my version of justice.
thats a shame, I think the last thing your grandaughter would need after being sexually assaulted would be her grandfather to die in jail.
don't personally know the case in question but I have seen some of the programs described where "men" are given a location to meet underage girls after chatting with them on the internet. If these pervs get humiliated, jailed, exposed or otherwise treated to public scrutiny, they deserve it! Who is the "mind reader" here?
If you'd been reading the thread, the reason this issue came to a head was a man DIDNT show up to the house, so they tracked him down to his home, whereupon he shot himself when he saw the tv van.
You know a bettter way to do this which would keep the chain of evidence intact? Why not do it like a cops style show? Rather than have the media essentially set these scumbags up, why not simply have a camera monitoring a police officer do the exact same thing? Suddenly the chain of evidence is upheld, and you get your show to?
Simple change, and it addresses my concerns nicely. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 10:08:11 AM | | I'm on YOUR side! Most of those caught sit right there and admit they knew they were doing something wrong...on a Federal level, the legal system should overrule the release of pedophiles. I am quite suspicious of those that think otherwise. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 10:09:38 AM |
Yes...really. No, they are not ALL free on the streets right now, and the "interference" from the media means nothing in terms of the accused's intent. Perverted Justice has collared MANY online perverts, and rightfully so. Go to their website and see for yourself. They have been doing this long before Chris Hansen and Dateline NBC got involved.
Nobody is "taking the law into their own hands". They were acting in cooperation with various police forces, turned over all evidence to the prosecutors, and charges HAVE stuck. And while it is illegal for civilians to pretend they are minors online in Canada, it is not illegal in this instance in the U.S.
Like I said, good on them. I suggest all pervs things about that next time they try to diddle a kid online.
Appearently the ones in Texas that the OP started this topic on are now all free on the street.... and if things had been done right as you say they have, then I'm afraid that wouldn't be the case..... and as I said before it's all about the ratings... the media has no concept of due process or constitutional rights, they are not trained in law enforcement and have no business acting in law enforcement on any level whatsoever. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2007 10:11:42 AM |
I'm on YOUR side! Most of those caught sit right there and admit they knew they were doing something wrong...on a Federal level, the legal system should overrule the release of pedophiles. I am quite suspicious of those that think otherwise.
You can take your suspicion and choke on it lady. This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes me concerned about the chain of evidence.
"Good Proctor laid a curse on me and this morning my milk was sour" | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 10:12:27 AM | | RL you are talking on emotion . The honest fact is they are meeting a legal age woman. When people are arrested for marijuana possession for example- real marijuana is used . This is complete crap . Heck there are women here on this site that lie about age all the time lol. What someone says online means nothing . Who are any of you people to say that these men were not fantasing about someone and just 'going' with age thinking person was adult. I see this holier than thou attitude without objective thinking . Again I am not saying they were, but its not up to law enforcement or faux law enforcement wannabes and a freaking network that is supposed to report news ,not make up news to take that leap and read peoples minds. For crying out loud , if they are going to do this unethical sting operation at least have a real underage girl- protected of course . True law enforcement has used real underage girls/boys to catch TRUE predators . | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 10:17:59 AM |
on a Federal level, the legal system should overrule the release of pedophiles. I am quite suspicious of those that think otherwise.
Be as suspicious as you wanna be..... personally though, I'd rather see a million guilty people go free(no MATTER the crime)... than to see even one innocent person wrongly jailed. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 10:18:35 AM |
YOU are showing an attitude is making me wonder what you consider right and wrong. This is not a scripted television show, any more than John Walsh's.
*sigh* yah you're right, because I have legitimate concerns over the legality of the show (apparently the judge agrees) and have tendered a solution which would work well to fix the situation, obviously I don't understand pedophilia is wrong.
Never mind that I work with youth at risk, and that I see the nasty side effects of molestation every day and it's a huge part of my job trying to help these kids get into better situations.
or you know, you could be just being a little unreasonable. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 10:27:02 AM |
Appearently the ones in Texas that the OP started this topic on are now all free on the street.... and if things had been done right as you say they have, then I'm afraid that wouldn't be the case..... and as I said before it's all about the ratings... the media has no concept of due process or constitutional rights, they are not trained in law enforcement and have no business acting in law enforcement on any level whatsoever.
Do you have any idea how many they have caught? Go to the website, you will see for yourself. There have been many, many charged and convicted. I agree with you that this was a ratings grab, and to be honest, I don't much like the show in that regard. But, the end justifies the means to me. These people for the most part did have the expectation that they were meeting an underage teen. There are some episodes burned in my mind, like the guy with the nym "crazytrini85", who wanted the girl to do something with a cat. To demonstrate intent, he was asked to get naked. He did. Others walked in and upon being surprised by Chris Hansen, were asked who they were there to see, and they indicated the age of the "kid". So they were clearly under the belief they were there to see a youngster.
Also, there were police there at the scene. They were most definitely counselled by the local law enforcement.
I understand your concern over the legality, but I disagree with it. These people deserved every minute of humiliation they got, and these people were only caught red handed in something that was of their own initiation and doing. | |
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| Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR
Posted: 7/1/2007 10:28:37 AM |
I understand your concern over the legality, but I disagree with it. These people deserved every minute of humiliation they got, and these people were only caught red handed in something that was of their own initiation and doing.
Just to be clear, it's not the humiliation I have an issue with. It's the legal concerns. | |
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