| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/10/2007 8:52:00 AM | I saw this on Yahoo news. It must be the answer to what some people have been asking about why some men display themselves without their shirts on. Here it is:
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Muscular young men are likely to have more sex partners than their less-chiseled peers, researchers at the University of California Los Angeles said on Monday.
Their study, published in the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, suggests muscles in men are akin to elaborate tail feathers in male peacocks: They attract females looking for a virile mate.
"Women are predisposed to prefer muscularity in men," said study author David Frederick of UCLA.
"Most research is focused on what men find physically attractive in women and the career traits women find attractive in men," Frederick said by telephone. "Much less research is devoted to what women find attractive."
He said prior studies concluded a man's desirability was influenced more by his earning potential and commitment. His study found physical characteristics mattered more.
Women were more physically attracted to brawny men, especially for a fling. But when it comes to finding a long-term partner, they tend to pick a regular man over a mate with huge biceps.
"On the one hand, it makes them more sexy to women. On the other hand, it makes women more suspicious about their romantic intentions," Frederick said.
He and colleagues interviewed 99 male undergraduates about their sexual histories. Muscular men were twice as likely to have had more than three sex partners than less-built types.
Frederick and colleagues also asked 141 college women to look at six standardized silhouettes of men ranging from brawny to slender. Most preferred a toned man who was more likely to commit over a muscle-bound man they perceived as more volatile, aggressive and dominant. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/10/2007 9:18:27 AM | ^^^
this is a surprise to you?
needed an expensive academic 'study' with many PhD's to figure this out? LOL .
what's next? a multi-year million -dollar study funded by gov't grants that figures out men are more attracted to shapely, toned women than big fat ones or stick-skinny ones?
like the mega-$ 'reserach' that figured out after many years of feeding babies 'formula' produced by mega-corps that after all, mother's milk is actually the best thing for them?
the same thing mothers for thousands of years & many generations had instinctively known, they needed big $$$$$$$$$$ & many PhD's to figure out?? | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/10/2007 9:48:51 AM | | In both men and women, athletic and toned are usually much more attractive - obviously. I agree; that was a totally useless study. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/10/2007 10:01:05 AM |
this is a surprise to you?
needed an expensive academic 'study' with many PhD's to figure this out? LOL .
Nope. No surprise to me at all. Like you said "need an expensive 'study" to figure that out. Look at models on TV is all you need to see. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/11/2007 12:12:55 AM | well to me governor arnold type muscles are a turn off. but i do admit i like my man's muscles, the blue eyes, the hair on his chest and that little pot belly that comes with being in your 50's and winding down on the construction work. but shhhhhh....don't tell him. he'll start to strut.
oh, by the way, maybe a generation thing, but if you need to take a profile picture with your shirt off, unless you are a kid in your 20's, to me it's kind of sad and says you have nothing else to offer, but maybe desperation. i believe there was a thread on this and many women concurred. we women can see the muscles in your arms or can "visualize" what's under your shirts. in fact, we can visualize just about anything. but we also need to see how you move, feel your heart beat with our heads on your chests and to know a little more about what's between the ears. now there is a MUSCLE!  | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/11/2007 1:46:55 AM | I just had this conversation with a female friend of mine. Her position was that women do not think like men and are attracted to personalities more than looks. My position was that women are as superficial as men.
Now we know. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/11/2007 2:41:48 AM | The thing is, I just saw on the Today Show yesterday morning, they did a story on a study which said just the opposite. That women preferred cuteness to muscles. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/11/2007 3:08:47 AM |
He and colleagues interviewed 99 male undergraduates about their sexual histories. Muscular men were twice as likely to have had more than three sex partners than less-built types.
This could be a function of a third variable. Such as men who have larger muscles tend to pursue sex more often, or prioritize it. Or hell have a higher tendency to self report larger numbers of sexual partners.
He he he 3 partners? Sorry I find that a funny cut off line. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/11/2007 12:34:13 PM |
I just had this conversation with a female friend of mine. Her position was that women do not think like men and are attracted to personalities more than looks. My position was that women are as superficial as men.
Now we know.
well, I knew that at least 10 years ago..but, anyway.. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/11/2007 7:22:15 PM | i agree that both men and women can get superficial, but they can also "forgive" the other's weaknesses and in so doing, forgive their own. there are so many different people in this world. what is attractive to one, is not to another. you have to be willing to give each person a chance.
you will at least have a companion to do things with, maybe a friend to confide things to or share the good times, and when you are least aware of it *** SMACK*** you might get hit with some really fine chemistry!
some will like your muscles, some the way you smirk, some your voice, some your hand on their arm, some for the color of your eyes, some for what you believe, some because you share the same passion........SO..........stop being so worried and so pessimistic.
get humorous about yourselves and compassionate about everyone else. if you care about someone, you will find them attractive and vice versa. in the meanwhile, get out and do some good on this planet.  | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/11/2007 8:50:17 PM | the study is no surprise and just proves that primordial drives are still at work!
the only reason why a woman would want a heavily muscled man is because back in the stone age, it was the more muscular men that were best fit for survival and who could best protect & provide for the females in their 'harums'.
this feature is of little use today (unless you are living like Tarzan) yet the drive is still there! | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/12/2007 9:36:38 AM |
the study is no surprise and just proves that primordial drives are still at work!
the only reason why a woman would want a heavily muscled man is because back in the stone age, it was the more muscular men that were best fit for survival and who could best protect & provide for the females in their 'harums'.
this feature is of little use today (unless you are living like Tarzan) yet the drive is still there!
well men had the primordial drive to be attracted to women with shapely bodies (maybe like Beyonce or Halle Berry) vs. too skinny or too fat ones because they were more likely to be able to successfully bear children
realistically with today's medical services extremely skinny or fat women can successfully have children.
but (most) men still have that 'primordial drive' or attraction to shapely women.
for no 'practical' reason..doubt it's going to change any time soon though!
I don't know if 'most' women are attracted to extremely muscular men, but no doubt in general more would be to toned men in decent shape than to very skinny or very fat men | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/12/2007 3:04:17 PM | | Being toned is one thing but I don't think all that many women go for the extreme bodybuilder look. Some of us actually find it a bit repulsive! And you can be sure he will be more in love with his own body than any woman in his life.... | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/12/2007 3:05:36 PM | thats correct tossedsalad, biological instincts have always shaped the laws of attraction. Muscly men are more likely to be healthy and able to produce healthy children, hence women are attracted to muscular men, similarly shapely women used to be better-suited to bearing children, hence the expression "child-bearing hips" thus shapely women are more attractive to men-the common strand in attractiveness is it is determined by suitability of a potential partner for producing offspring. Even though technology and healthcare now renders the old rules about the physical qualities needed to bear children, obsolete, the primordial instincts, based on those rules, remain. There is, however, research that women do tend to look for deeper qualities than looks, in men. And there is research that men who are more succesful financially, are still more attractive to women, even now,in an age when women now earn as much as men-so they do not depend on men like in the past. However, the reason this is still the case is womens biology drives them to seek a man who will be a good father-so they subconsciously seek someone who would be financially able to support children. This is also a primordial instinct.
But, yes both men and women are attracted to certain physical features in the opposite sex and the features that are attractive, most commonly, are determined by ability to provide offspring. As that is fundamental to the survival of our species and therefore crucial in how we make decisions about potential partners.That was always obvious, you are correct that we didnt need "new research" to tell us that. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/12/2007 4:19:58 PM | There are many factors that goes into women choosing a mate. A man who is muscular is more attractive because he looks like he can protect the women. It's initial and with out a word coming out of the guys mouth he is conveying to the women that he can give them security. It creates initial attraction. I would bet that if they talk to the guy and he stopped conveying that with a bad personality they would lose attraction.
I will bet that most women would take the Average guy who can hold an intelligent conversation and can provide for her over the muscle-bound meat head who can't hold a conversation let alone a job. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/12/2007 6:36:09 PM |
I will bet that most women would take the Average guy who can hold an intelligent conversation and can provide for her over the muscle-bound meat head who can't hold a conversation let alone a job.
And I would bet a man who has all those traits would be picked over another man who only has one or two. What makes you think that all men who take care of themselves are meat heads who cannot hold a job? I hold a decent job, raise a child full time, workout 6-10 hrs / week, and can hold my own intellectually in just about any crowd. What exactly do you have to offer a prospective mate? Don't equate fitness level with intelligence or the ability to provide.
To those complaining about the topless pics; I am proud of my body. I get allot of positive feedback about mine from some very attractive ladies. So frankly, I couldn't care less who doesn't like it, enough do, and it works for me. Don't like it? no one is holding a gun to your head and making you look. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/12/2007 8:37:06 PM |
And I would bet a man who has all those traits would be picked over another man who only has one or two. What makes you think that all men who take care of themselves are meat heads who cannot hold a job? I hold a decent job, raise a child full time, workout 6-10 hrs / week, and can hold my own intellectually in just about any crowd. What exactly do you have to offer a prospective mate? Don't equate fitness level with intelligence or the ability to provide.
I never said it did, my comparison was in regards to the meat heads. Obviously if a guy is physically fit, intelligent, and can provide women will jump to it. I'm sure they would call it a complete package. Any combination of those three traits along with social skills a man is able to display will attract women. I'm not muscular, I;d even say I'm out of shape, but I have attracted girls easily in past even when confronted with the obstacle that a more physically fit man gives if he is trying to attract the the same girl I am. Hell I've done that with out trying. The point was that most women would still take a man with a great personality and an average body over and muscular man w/o one. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/13/2007 3:47:34 AM | Sorry guys, I can't resist including this. It was written by the creator of Dilbert.
I get about 100 e-mail messages a day from readers of my comic strip "Dilbert." Most are from disgruntled office workers, psychopaths, stalkers, comic-strip fans -- that sort of person. But a growing number are from women who write to say they think Dilbert is sexy. Some say they've already married a Dilbert and couldn't be happier. If you're not familiar with Dilbert, he's an electrical engineer who spends most of his time with his computer. He's a nice guy but not exactly Kevin Costner. Okay, Dilbert is polite, honest, employed and educated. And he stays home. These are good traits, but they don't exactly explain the incredible sex appeal.
So what's the attraction?
I think it's a Darwinian thing. We're attracted to the people who have the best ability to survive and thrive. In the old days it was important to be able to run down an antelope and kill it with a single blow to the forehead. But that skill is becoming less important every year. Now all that matters is if you can install your own Ethernet card without having to call tech support and confess your inadequacies to a stranger whose best career option is to work in tech support.
It's obvious that the world has three distinct classes of people, each with its own evolutionary destiny:
Knowledgeable computer users who will evolve into godlike non-corporeal beings who rule the universe (except for those who work in tech support). Computer owners who try to pass as knowledgeable but secretly use hand calculators to add totals to their Excel spreadsheets. This group will gravitate toward jobs as high school principals and operators of pet crematoriums. Eventually they will become extinct. Non-computer users who will grow tails, sit in zoos and fling dung at tourists. Obviously, if you're a woman and you're trying to decide which evolutionary track you want your offspring to take, you don't want to put them on the luge ride to the dung-flinging Olympics. You want a real man. You want a knowledgeable computer user with evolution potential. And women prefer men who listen. Computer users are excellent listeners because they can look at you for long periods of time without saying anything. Granted, early in a relationship it's better if the guy actually talks. But men use up all the stories they'll ever have after six months. If a woman marries a guy who's in, let's say, retail sales, she'll get repeat stories starting in the seventh month and lasting forever. Marry an engineer and she gets a great listener for the next 70 years.
Plus, with the ozone layer evaporating, it's a good strategy to mate with somebody who has an indoor hobby. Outdoorsy men are applying suntan lotion with SPF 10,000 and yet by the age of 30 they still look like dried chili peppers in pants. Compare that with the healthy glow of a man who spends 12 hours a day in front of a video screen.
It's also well established that computer users are better lovers. I know because I heard an actual anecdote from someone who knew a woman who married a computer user and they reportedly had sex many times. I realize this isn't statistically valid, but you have to admit it's the most persuasive thing I've written so far.
If you still doubt the sexiness of male PC users, consider their hair. They tend to have either: (1) male pattern baldness -- a sign of elevated testosterone -- or (2) unkempt jungle hair -- the kind you see only on people who just finished a frenzied bout of lovemaking. If this were a trial I think we could reach a verdict on the strong circumstantial evidence alone.
I realize there are a lot of skeptics out there. They'll delight in pointing out the number of computer users who wear wrist braces and suggest it isn't the repetitive use of the keyboard that causes the problem. That's okay. Someday those skeptics will be flinging dung at tourists. Then who'll be laughing? (Answer to rhetorical question: everybody but the tourists.)
Henry Kissinger said power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. And Bill Clinton said that knowledge is power. Therefore, logically, according to the U.S. government, knowledge of computers is the ultimate aphrodisiac. You could argue with me -- I'm just a cartoonist -- but it's hard to argue with the government. Remember, they run the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, so they must know a thing or two about satisfying women.
You might think this was enough to convince anyone that men who use computers are sexy. But look at it from my point of view: I'm getting paid by the word for this article. I'm not done yet. In less enlightened times, the best way to impress women was to own a hot car. But women wised up and realized it was better to buy their own hot cars so they wouldn't have to ride around with jerks. Technology has replaced hot cars as the new symbol of robust manhood. Men know that unless they get a digital line to the Internet no woman is going to look at them twice.
It's getting worse. Soon anyone who's not on the World Wide Web will qualify for a government subsidy for the home-pageless. And nobody likes a man who takes money from the government, except maybe Marilyn Monroe, which is why the CIA killed her. And if you think that's stupid, I've got 100 words to go.
Finally, there's the issue of mood lighting. Nothing looks sexier than a man in boxer shorts illuminated only by a 15-inch SVGA monitor. If we agree that this is every woman's dream scenario, then I think we can also agree that it's best if the guy knows how to use the computer. Otherwise, he'll just look like a loser sitting in front of a PC in his underwear.
In summary, it's not that I think non-PC users are less attractive. It's just that I'm sure they won't read this article. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/13/2007 1:40:33 PM |
The point was that most women would still take a man with a great personality and an average body over and muscular man w/o one.
Fair enough. My apoligies for my mis interpretation. And I agree with that point, by the way.
It works the same with me for women. I would rather have an average woman I can hold a decent conversation with, then a knockout who is a dolt. The knockout might be good for sex, but not for a relationship. Obviously, the key is to find a knockout that is on the same page intellectually. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/13/2007 7:07:12 PM |
And I would bet a man who has all those traits would be picked over another man who only has one or two. What makes you think that all men who take care of themselves are meat heads who cannot hold a job? I hold a decent job, raise a child full time, workout 6-10 hrs / week, and can hold my own intellectually in just about any crowd. What exactly do you have to offer a prospective mate? Don't equate fitness level with intelligence or the ability to provide.
To those complaining about the topless pics; I am proud of my body. I get allot of positive feedback about mine from some very attractive ladies. So frankly, I couldn't care less who doesn't like it, enough do, and it works for me. Don't like it? no one is holding a gun to your head and making you look.
Women do this too...bikini shots, cleavage shots, and nobody says anything bad about that, but if I guy does it, then watch out. Glad to see it's working for you man... | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/14/2007 8:32:58 AM |
we women can see the muscles in your arms or can "visualize" what's under your shirts. in fact, we can visualize just about anything.
Well, maybe that works for some men. Every woman I've been with, though, has been surprised to find some muscle on me. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/15/2007 4:55:49 PM | Men with muscles are nice to look at no doubt...but...it really does come down to personality, what you have in common, and so on. I am attracted to men with large muscular arms to hold me in. However there is a point where a man can be TOO muscular and it doesn't look very attractive.
Muscles won't get you through a relationship....whats inside will! | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/15/2007 5:17:16 PM |
Knowledgeable computer users who will evolve into godlike non-corporeal beings who rule the universe (except for those who work in tech support).
LOL - long live Dilbert. The creator of that cartoon is clearly a card
Thanks for posting that. It made my day. | |
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| Women drawn to men with muscles Posted: 7/15/2007 6:52:14 PM | | I find it all very confusing as when I was younger teaching judo playing rugby working out in the gym and was very ripped I found girls who were only looking at my physique to be quite dim !! now that i have travelled the world done a couple of degrees learnt three languages I find it easier to meet older women (i.e 25 + )who are much more interesting to be with . The younger ones who still go for the ripped look however still are dim !!! I guess nothing has changed. I guess women like men eventually grow up but having seen the Conservative report on social and family breakdown which came out last week it seems that many young men and women find out too late what really is important in life ! | |
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