| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/6/2005 8:49:35 PM | | For some reason I am unable to post any addys here. Don't know why. Anyways, I found a website that might be of interest to some. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/6/2005 9:05:40 PM | Sorry RD, I'm still an atheist. I went and checked it out and I have not been converted.
I gave this stuff a chance when I was 18 and then it hit me. I sleep at night without God in my life. I am comfortable without God in my life. I am satisfied with my charitable efforts without God in my life.
Good effort though. There were some interesting articles. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/6/2005 11:44:31 PM | | I appreciate the fair assessment anyways. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2005 8:55:03 AM | I went to the site....and its laughable about the optical allusions....he tries to explain go with "lessons"..... but he doesn't understand the science behind why you see things...he just compares it to how he "learned of god".....but there is no logic in his explaination of god...or proof for that matter
i seriously doubt he was ever an athiest...
I don't see an athiest thinking that way..or trying to sway others by setting up a site like that...seems like a believer did that...and pretended to be an ex-atheist
I've very doubtful... | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/10/2005 9:32:02 PM | | Well Terri, what do you think of Professor Flew's conversion from atheism to deism? | |
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Ender
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Joined: 2/1/2004
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/10/2005 10:14:35 PM | | Actually it has been argued that the strident lack of religion in Atheism is in itself a religion since it takes active beleif that there is NOTHING out there. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/10/2005 10:16:32 PM | | Personally I am a Nihlist... I believe in nthing... Everything is just a random grouping of cause and effect events. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 12:06:07 AM |
Actually it has been argued that the strident lack of religion in Atheism is in itself a religion since it takes active beleif that there is NOTHING out there.
That argument is invalid. Atheism's etymology is in two parts,
A--"without,"
and
Theism--"the doctrine or belief in the existence of a God or gods."
Thus, atheism means "A lack of belief in the existence of God or gods", and not necessarily an active disbelief thereof.
This is a common(and often deliberate misconception of atheism. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 8:10:30 AM |
Personally I am a Nihlist... I believe in nthing... Everything is just a random grouping of cause and effect events
Jack,
Not doubting you, however what you stated above could be existentialist in nature as well.
Do you believe that everything needs to be destroyed as that is the essential truth of nihilism. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 8:42:47 AM | | I believe destruction is the nature of existence. Life it self is just a form of destruction that is slowed down to such a point people do not notice it. I believe in having as much fun as possible, because in the end, everyone and everything is just decaying matter. | |
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Ender
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Joined: 2/1/2004
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 1:11:50 PM | | So you are saying that an active disbelief in anything as far as a higher power doens't take a level of commitment similar to that of any "faith"? | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 1:15:47 PM | | I do have faith in my belief in Nihlism... However since I believe in nothing, I'm able to be exempt from attempting to prove that faith. | |
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Ender
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Joined: 2/1/2004
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 1:59:21 PM | | That is a line that allows you to weasel out of any type of moral or spiritual dictum. Must be very convenient. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 2:04:06 PM |
So you are saying that an active disbelief in anything as far as a higher power doens't take a level of commitment similar to that of any "faith"?
Absolutely!
"Faith is believing in what you know ain't so."----Mark Twain
"A-theism, means literally, "without theism". It is a lack of belief in a deity. It is the state of being unconvinced. That's all it is. I do not accept things that are irrational, without any evidence, and that go against reason and experience. Why should I? Why do you?."
------Kenneth Harding | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 2:25:35 PM |
That is a line that allows you to weasel out of any type of moral or spiritual dictum. Must be very convenient.
Heh, point well taken. However my reasoning behind 'weaselling' out of moral or spiritual dictum is based my firm belief that an attempt to prove an idea will lead to the destruction of that idea. I don't talk about spirituality because I enjoy the mystery and the unknowns. I don't talk about morals, because I only talk about things I'm willing to be consumed by. I do not need to prove to someone I have morals, and thats all I need to know. | |
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Ender
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Joined: 2/1/2004
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Posted: 5/11/2005 2:32:45 PM | Forcing an idea on others WILL lead to the destruction or revocation of the idea. However if you simply state yoru case with confidence adn an unbiased air there is a chance that folks will think about what you have said.
Cach......I was thinking that you came from the school of atheism that is jsut "anti-god", not the more rational end of things. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 2:36:32 PM |
Forcing an idea on others WILL lead to the destruction or revocation of the idea. However if you simply state yoru case with confidence adn an unbiased air there is a chance that folks will think about what you have said.
I thought that was what I did?
Personally I am a Nihlist... I believe in nothing... Everything is just a random grouping of cause and effect events. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 9:49:16 PM | | Ender is right. Most atheists "practice" their unbelief a little too heavily and do make it into a religion. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 10:00:17 PM | I think people who say they don't believe and aetheists are many times people who've been negatively influenced by the hypocrisy of the churches and will come around to a belief system once they get past that. It's not easy when you see the christian right.. falwell, et al, doing their thing. It's like believing in George Bush or something.
I believe in God and honestly believe God loves honest people more than phoney baloneys who attend church merely as a social contact point.
If you're so inclined, read john 5:25 where it says:
"[25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live."
What this says to ME is that even if you don't believe in God during this life.. if you've lived a good life and tried to do right, you'll be given a chance to accept your savior.
Just my opinion... | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/11/2005 11:09:00 PM |
Ender is right. Most atheists "practice" their unbelief a little too heavily and do make it into a religion.
So me refusing to believe in talking donkeys, sticks turned into snakes, man walking on water, and other such rediculousness which defies all laws of physics means I infact practice religion, eh? That's news to me.
Someone should let these guys know:
WordWeb Online
Noun: religion ri'lijun
A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.
Looks like they got their defintions wrong  | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/12/2005 7:02:38 AM | Another defiintion of religion:
An object of conscientious or scrupulous care.
Read some of Hatake's posts and you will see this is so. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/12/2005 7:36:59 AM | | Nope no change here even though I am not exactly 100% pure athiest but no changes on how I feel about the exsistance of god and his son for all we know its just as fictional as a stepen king novel. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/12/2005 8:17:14 AM |
I think people who say they don't believe and aetheists are many times people who've been negatively influenced by the hypocrisy of the churches and will come around to a belief system once they get past that.
What if the "belief" systems offered are all fraudulent? That's how I see things. | |
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| Ex-atheists?
Posted: 5/12/2005 9:45:36 PM | | So I guess we have established then that atheism is a religion? | |
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