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Posted: 7/30/2007 8:47:13 PM | This is the first time I've posted in the forum. Bush has ordered the grey Wolves to be hunted. I am thinking we should not make the same mistake twice, now that we finally have regained a balance. After reading the rules of posting in this topic forum I realize the owner of the board does not believe in freedom of speech, so I hope this post does not break any rules. If you care about the endangered species of the planet, please go to this link and sign the petitions. The beluga whales can use some help too. thanks, Weird Chick
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Posted: 7/30/2007 9:21:10 PM | | well, it is not just the owner of the sight that decides its voted on and I would suggest reposting with out insulting the owner of this sight and you may get more reaction? | |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 10:34:34 PM | | I like animals generally, but as for endangered species, I don't care that much. If they die out, they die out; wouldn't affect my life one bit. | |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 10:49:34 PM | I did'nt insult anyone, just stated what appeared to be a fact. I guess if the board members vote on it then it's the board members who are against freedom of speech. not an insult at all, a fact. You'll have to forgive me, I am a pathological truth teller..and I mean for real. I am certified. It's an obsessive compulsive thing. People always say they want truth but seldom really do.
Anyway, Endangered species dying does effect all of us. te wolves for instance, through a chain reaction of events they found that when the wolves had been hunted to extinction in the Yellowstone area before, the trees began to die off all over the park. When the wolves were reintroduced, the trees began thriving again. You can look it up. I am thinking all of us need trees for various reasons hun. If it were natural selection it would be one thing, but it's not. The wolves are thriving. man hunting them to extinction because they kill a sheep once a year is not natural selection. It's man being very very stupid and inadvertantly committong the genocide of his own species if it keeps up with all the endangered animals. | |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 11:33:13 PM |
Anyway, Endangered species dying does effect all of us
Nope, not me. If there were no wolves left tomorrow, I would still get up, go to work, come home, eat, sleep and so on.
I might miss seeing them at the zoo, however.
through a chain reaction of events they found that when the wolves had been hunted to extinction in the Yellowstone area before, the trees began to die off all over the park.
Never seen the trees at Yellow Stone, but the trees near my house, and in my town, were doing just great.
It's man being very very stupid and inadvertantly committong the genocide of his own species if it keeps up with all the endangered animals
We (humans) are way over populated anyway. Chances are, no matter what we do, some of us will survive. That's good enough for me.
On the other hand, no matter how hard we try, one day, our planet, and our sun will be no more. Ce La Vie. | |
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Posted: 7/30/2007 11:44:48 PM | The point is, unless we are concerned with endangered species as whole, it will effect us. You may still get up in the morning, but it might be a little tougher to breathe.
We (humans) are way over populated anyway. Chances are, no matter what we do, some of us will survive. That's good enough for me.
On the other hand, no matter how hard we try, one day, our planet, and our sun will be no more. Ce La Vie
On these points, I completely agree, and thank you for pointing it out.  | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 12:09:23 AM |
Bush has ordered the grey Wolves to be hunted
And I'm sure he's also the one hiding on the grassy knoll,
who assassinated JFK in 1963 Dallas, Texas..
As much as I'm in favor of preserving the natural habitat...
Did Bush really order the hunt? Or were the grey wolves
simply removed from the endangered species list by someone,
who surprisingly, isn't G.W. Bush? | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 6:26:15 AM | | Maybe we should hunt you Geneseo. Seeing as if you were dead I would still get up tomorrow, got to work, eat, sleep, and go on with my life. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 7:46:17 AM | Actually the stuff about the trees doing better in Yellowstone after the wolves were re introduced is correct. My friend worked on the wolf study out there last winter, they observed the wolf packs and their behavior. They also collected data on how the wolves eating the browsing animals effected the vegetation. The wolves helped keep down the elk population which allowed for more regeneration of vegetation. Although the trees weren't exactly dying off in huge droves and Yellowstone has more trees then it could really support anyway. The overstocked stands were what caused the fires out there to be so bad, the point isn't that wolves are good, people bad, it's that when you alter the balance of something you have to address that. By removing the wolves we altered the prey and predator balance but didn't introduce anything that would keep the prey animal numbers at a reasonable level.
Since I'm a forester I like the fact that wolves help the balance there, but I hope they don't get so good at helping trees grow that people don't need me to do it. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 9:25:05 AM |
Maybe we should hunt you Geneseo. Seeing as if you were dead I would still get up tomorrow, got to work, eat, sleep, and go on with my life.
Actually, you are quite right.
However, if you tried and failed, you would make a lovely addition to my Harem. 
Just as a person who might hunt a wolf, sometimes ends up their meal instead ;) | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 9:25:30 AM | Allowing an annual hunt would have cut the population of vegatation eaters, thereby introducing a "predator" to cut the population down. Much like the northeastern states. Sure...lots of deer...but when controlled by a hunt, not a huge problem. therefor, wolves are NOT the "flashpoint" which got trees more healthy, etc...it was introduction of a predator.
As far as taking them off an endangered species list...why not? Hey, you got a farmer getting their animals mauled and killed by wild animals, you hunt it down and kill it. Who pays the farmer for their loss? Sure as heck isn't the bleeding hearts who want these animals on an endangered species list, is it? Let them start paying for the damages done, then there would be less outcry from those who are trying to protect their livelyhood.
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Posted: 7/31/2007 9:36:35 AM | Yes, people hunt deer all the time. But I haven't really seen a decrease in the number of deer carcasses on the side of the road after they are hit by cars. So, is hunting them really doing any good? Sure, it gives rednecks something to do in the winter time but how is it helping?
Perhaps the farmer should not have livestock where wolves may roam. Seems like common sense to me. Who pays the farmers? The money for all those farm subsidies come from somewhere. I'd say our wallets. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 9:59:22 AM | I agree, just becuse the chickens or a few goats got eaten does not mean that the farmer should be reimbursed. Yes it is their livelyhood but we are the ones who end up paying in the long run anyway. What if the animal were killed by a storm?? I believe that this is an act of God also. God made them predators, so be it, its for a reason. As far as the trees growing anyway, a kind of tree is growing in Yellowstone now that hasnt grown there in 40 years, which is bringing back kinds of birds that have not been there for that long. The wolf is restoring a balance. The bears were still there but the systems were effected anyway from the wolf's removal. If God put it there, it should remain. We dont have all the answers and dont need them all. God knows why he made what he made and if we can help it, we should keep things as he made them, as it was meant to be. If we can see affection of species from the removal of animals, just imagine what we dont see that is being effected. Our old ways of thinking got us global warming, we need to start thinking new. If its broke, fix it. Now lets get to work. Just signing one petition can change things, I sign as many as possible, every chance I get. I guess some people dont appriciate what is given to them. This world was given to us all, or shall I say loaned to us all. Why be rude??
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Posted: 7/31/2007 10:03:52 AM | Yes, people hunt deer all the time. But I haven't really seen a decrease in the number of deer carcasses on the side of the road after they are hit by cars. So, is hunting them really doing any good?
In my area, the deer population seem out of control. They make driving at night quite dangerous.
For instance the husband of one of my coworkers got wiped out on a motorcycle when a deer ran into his back tires.
So yes, it's a good thing that hunters at least put a dent in their population. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 10:10:19 AM | | Yes I agree you are a weird chick. The fact that Timberwolfes died off and then the trees did is a bizzarre and weird coincidence. Must have been all that Timberwolf dung. Ever here of culling of the herd. If your species is no longer combatable with nature you are oput of here. Millions of species have experienced it. Humans were once down at one time to 6,000 individuals. That was from millions. Look it up. We are all decendant from six thousand. Just like when Mount Pinatubo expoded in 1990 the earths temperature dropped two degrees. Remember the Halloween snowstorm of 1991. This kind of moronic thinking only serves to enrich vested interest. Like the sellers of Carbon Credits. Here me Al Gore. He owns one of the largest firms selling Carbon Credits. HMMM let me see think he has an interest in his bogus sciernce. So much for mans effect on the planet. In fact So.Dak used to be 15 degrees warmer when the Dinosoars lived there 65 million years ago. Go dig some of their fossils. They could live there now it is to cold for Tropical lizards. Must have been their suvs. This kind of twisted linking of facts is certainly weird. Your name fits. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 12:05:22 PM | She stated it a little strangely but there is correlation between the wolves and the trees. Removing the wolves by hunting them to near extinction and then not allowing hunting due to Yellowstone being a National Park allowed an artificially high level of elk and mule deer. Elk and Mule deer are herbivores, herbivores eat vegetation, more herbivores mean more vegetation eaten. Wolves are carnivores, carnivores eat herbivores, more carnivores eating herbivores means less vegetation eaten. It's not a bizarre and weird coincidence, it's the way an ecosystem works, that's why it's called a system. The wolves put a check on the population explosion of their prey animals, just like the numbers of prey animals limit the wolf population. (I'm not going to get into global warming I don't know enough about the science of that one to say anything intelligent  ) | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 12:13:22 PM | I think I'm in shock Fun Bi Femme and I are in agreement for once.
Taking an animal off the list just as its populations might finally be sustainable and then permit a hunt is inaine. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 12:14:29 PM | | I dunno....ever since that bogus "OMFG! CANADA LETS THEM HUNT SEALS CAUSE THEY HATE SEALS", meanwhile it ended up that there was 1 Sea for every 5 Canadians and they were driving other species extinct, I'm pretty hesitant on any claims made on taking animals off the endangered species list.... | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 12:26:46 PM | "I think I'm in shock Fun Bi Femme and I are in agreement for once.
Taking an animal off the list just as its populations might finally be sustainable and then permit a hunt is inaine."
Wonders will never cease fireknight...
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Posted: 7/31/2007 12:53:50 PM | | Erradication of wolves throughout the US has also allowed coyotes to extend thier range into much of the wolves old territory thanks to lack of competition...... unlike wolves which will try to avoid contact with humans at all cost, coyotes are quite comfortable living in areas inhabited by humans, are responsible for many pets being eaten, have attacked humans on many occasions... and compared with thier cousin the wolf just generally make a real pest of themselves...... can't exactly blame the coyotes, we have only ourselves to blame because of our blind hatred of large predators. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 1:26:15 PM | | Other than the love-touchy-feely of helping carnivores, what possible use does wolves have? I mean, I'm against meaningless killing of animals....but wolves are a threat to both us and the animals we aim to protect..... | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 1:36:11 PM | | How can you question creation itself?!?!?!? What possible use could humans have????? | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 2:14:56 PM | Bush has ordered the grey Wolves to be hunted And I'm sure he's also the one hiding on the grassy knoll, who assassinated JFK in 1963 Dallas, Texas..
Bush wouldnt have the balls to shoot anyone himself. But im sure that if there was oil involved that Cheney would gladly have taken Kennedy quail hunting
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Posted: 7/31/2007 2:18:34 PM | I have been living in Alaska now for almost 6 months. Upon arriving here it had just been ordered for bush pilots to take hunters out and shoot several dozen wolfs.
Why, because they claimed the wolfs was causing a decrease in the moose population.
Im a photographer, I mostly stalk critters (not harassing, but observing quietly) so im out in the woods, mountains, by the rivers, marshes and ocean. Every single day I see no less then 1 moose, sometimes I see as many as 3 or 4 in my yard at night. Their population numbers are just fine. I say if your that worried about the population of the moose stop the hunters from hunting them for a season or two. Let nature be nature.
It is almost a weekly occurance here a black bear or grizzly bear gets put down for doing nothing more then what it was designed to do...
The animals was here first, the animals will be here last. Agree or disagree with me, humans destroy them selfs, with ingorance, greed, destruction, violence and hate. | |
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Posted: 7/31/2007 3:02:15 PM | | That's hilarious..... predators do prey species much more good than harm.... they target the sick and the weak and keep them from spreading thier genes into the next generation, human hunters on the other hand target the strong.... taking valuable breeding stock from a species and weakening it as a whole...... and i'm not coming down on hunting altogether, because unlike many of us hunters do contribute to wildlife organizations through monetary funding. | |
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