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 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 1
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 7:00:47 PM
Even though I come from a moderate muslim family, personally I am not religious, I guess you can call me a nonpracticing muslim. I have experienced that almost all girls that I meet here suddenly end communication once they find out my name (which is clearly a muslim name) or the fact that I come from a muslim background. Left wondering what I did to receive this treatment and how can avoid it, I find myself feeling humiliated and frustrated.
In the heat of the moment I often decide to lie or hide this fact in the future but later thinking with a clear mind I dismiss the idea as it wouldn't be fair to me or to the other person to lie about it nor can I expect to start something real if I can not even tell my name.
My question is what to do in this situation and how to deal with people who judge me without even giving me a chance?
 river_loon

Joined: 11/17/2005
Msg: 2
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 7:19:20 PM

My question is what to do in this situation and how to deal with people who judge me without even giving me a chance?


Let them fly. Why waste time, emotion on those who are not interested (don't think that they "hate" you). Hang in there, someone will "give you a chance". Good luck!
 Geneseo

Joined: 2/27/2007
Msg: 3
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 7:27:05 PM
Well personally, if I were you, I might consider not contacting ladies with profiles that seem to have a strong religious aura.

You know, if they say things like "Jesus comes first" and such things.

I would also stay away from hard core Atheists (such as myself) because in many cases just about any religion turns us off.

However, I'm sure there are many people in the middle who don't care much either way. Those would probably be better prospects.


Good luck.
 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 4
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 8:28:41 PM
I know "hate" is a strong word but imagine a muslim saying we should break any ties with anyone christian or anyone with any affiliation with christianity as these people are not worth our love and acceptance. Would you consider that preaching hate? I would. I think this is the same thing here people are doing it instead of saying it.
 SweetTreat

Joined: 11/15/2005
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Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 8:35:29 PM

My question is what to do in this situation and how to deal with people who judge me without even giving me a chance?


Well..it happens to people all the time. People dismiss others because they are too fat, or too thin, too short or too tall,. too black or too white, too muslim, etc. Simple answer, move on.
 Geneseo

Joined: 2/27/2007
Msg: 6
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 8:38:35 PM
If people want to hate different sects of people, then it is their choice to do so.

Personally, I hate all religions. Every single one. But that doesn't mean, that I can't like individual people who happen to practice them.

However, with that said, because of the way that I feel about religion, I cannot see myself sharing my life and home with someone who is a fundermentalist in any sense. There would eventually be just too much resentment in both sides, I believe.
 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 7
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 8:39:44 PM

Well personally, if I were you, I might consider not contacting ladies with profiles that seem to have a strong religious aura.

You know, if they say things like "Jesus comes first" and such things.

I would also stay away from hard core Atheists (such as myself) because in many cases just about any religion turns us off.

However, I'm sure there are many people in the middle who don't care much either way. Those would probably be better prospects.


I have never seen any profile hinting strong religious beliefs especially not from Montreal. And I would expect this kind of reaction from somebody very religious but what bothers me is that it is the people who seems to be in the middle that are reacting this way. That is why I was asking the question if it is ok to discriminate again muslims when it comes to dating. Any girl has yet to come up and say "Yes" or "No" yet there seems to be people who want to remove my post.
I am guessing it is unconformable for people considering themselves open minded that they are racists... If they do remove this post I think it would be an answer to my question.
 writerlychik

Joined: 9/28/2006
Msg: 8
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 8:50:59 PM
I don't believe someone wanting to break ties with Muslims or any other religion is preaching per se; and a good Christian wouldn't or shouldn't declare a breaking of ties, but it is a responsibility of sorts to share the Word with other denominations as we believe Jesus is the Messiah and all other gods are false, as it says in Scripture.

I don't believe it's okay for any Christian to promote hate or even negativity toward other religions but we also have to draw the line as to whom we associate with. I'm sure many Christians find themselves interacting with people of many faiths and it's a delicate balance to share the message of God's promise while avoiding any, uh, heated debates or proselytizing. And let me tell ya, it's not easy when you become born again, to suddenly want to share the message of hope you've been given with everyone you know, but when your friends and family are still very much entrenched in their, um, hedonistic lifestyles, it's a struggle to maintain your faith while trying not to alienate the people you care about.

A lot of people (here included) have the assumption that Christians are these superior, holier-than-thou zealots shoving their beliefs down other people's throats, but try becoming one--it ain't easy; its exactly as it says in Scripture, that we will be persecuted for our beliefs because too many people don't want to have to sacrifice anything. Too many people want to stay immersed in their lifestyle because they are too focused on the self and what "feels good".

I could not "hate" someone simply because they are of a faith other than Christianity. Do I believe their religion false and Christ the true and living God? Yes. Obviously, if he was adamant his god was the true god and his religion the only true religion, I would have to say goodbye. But that in no way means I hate him.

You could always put in the comments section of your profile something about being open to new faiths and declare yourself non-practicing or whatever.

Sorry if I took the long, meandering way to answer the question. Peace.
 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 9
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 8:51:21 PM
If people want to hate different sects of people, then it is their choice to do so.

Personally, I hate all religions. Every single one. But that doesn't mean, that I can't like individual people who happen to practice them.

However, with that said, because of the way that I feel about religion, I cannot see myself sharing my life and home with someone who is a fundermentalist in any sense. There would eventually be just too much resentment in both sides, I believe.

Yes it is there choice to do so, but does it make it ok?
I have friends that are atheists and hate the concept of religion. I personally I can see their point, I mean if I am being ostracized due to religion...
I agree with you, I doubt I would go out with any fundamentalist either.
 SweetTreat

Joined: 11/15/2005
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Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 8:53:14 PM

I am guessing it is unconformable for people considering themselves open minded that they are racists... If they do remove this post I think it would be an answer to my question


- First, I don't think this is a religious question.

- Second..the term "racist" in my opinion is severely over used. Obviously if a chick has been interested in you, your skin colour, ergo your race..was not an issue for her, correct?

- Third, Muslim is a religion..not a race.

- Fourth, you don't know their circumstances behind not dating you once they find out you are muslim. Their fathers could have threatened to disown them if they dated a muslim..ultimately their decision yes, but still...a Fathers opinion generally matters greatly to a woman. They may not want to date you for fear of being bugged by friends, family, co-workers. They may have apprehensions about dating a muslim because of "recent events". But it still doesn't make them racist.

Bottom line, just because they don't date you,. doesn't mean they hate you. And if they don't like you, it also doesn't mean it's because you are a muslim.
 Geneseo

Joined: 2/27/2007
Msg: 11
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 9:05:29 PM
Yes it is there choice to do so, but does it make it ok?


It makes it ok, because the only other option, is for them to lie, and claim that they don't feel negatively towards something, that they actually dislike.

Personally, if someone dislikes me, I rather have them tell me openly, then to be misled by political correctness.

In other words, asking if a person's personal feelings are ok or not, is like asking if it is ok for them to have brown eyes.
Yes, in time a persons feelings can change through experience, growth and perhaps education, but at the time that they truly feel something, it is a part of them just like the color of their eyes. So, it is not wether it is ok or not, but it is simply what it is.

Of course, I am only talking about private feelings here. Once those feelings are expressed in a way that might cause physical or great psychological harm to others, then it is a whole different situation, because those that might be harmed will most likely wish to protect themselves in some way.
 rockondon

Joined: 2/21/2007
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Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 9:16:52 PM
for now on tell them your last name right away - if they shy away that's awesome, you just saved the time and effort of getting to know some person that was too racist for you to want to spend your life with anyway.
 a78saha

Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 13
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 9:18:40 PM
there is an obvious bias... religious people are not open minded when it comes to other religions.
 a78saha

Joined: 6/2/2007
Msg: 14
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 9:30:39 PM
You said you come from a moderate muslim family... what does that mean? Would your family accept you ever marrying a non-muslim? Do the opinions of your family members play a big role with who you commit to? For many people even dating someone who differs with them on fundamental areas like religion is not worth wasting their time with.
 sassyaquarius

Joined: 4/10/2006
Msg: 15
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 10:29:07 PM
Just the other day I ran across a post in another thread where a man was saying that he would not date a muslim woman because he would not want to be blown to bits as he ate lunch... I was absolutely disgusted. I cannot believe that people can be that ignorant!!

Personally I would rather date a muslim over a christian bigot or atheist any day!! Provided he didn't fall into the extreme end of things that is....
 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 16
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 10:53:29 PM

I don't believe someone wanting to break ties with Muslims or any other religion is preaching per se; and a good Christian wouldn't or shouldn't declare a breaking of ties, but it is a responsibility of sorts to share the Word with other denominations as we believe Jesus is the Messiah and all other gods are false, as it says in Scripture.

I don't believe it's okay for any Christian to promote hate or even negativity toward other religions but we also have to draw the line as to whom we associate with. I'm sure many Christians find themselves interacting with people of many faiths and it's a delicate balance to share the message of God's promise while avoiding any, uh, heated debates or proselytizing. And let me tell ya, it's not easy when you become born again, to suddenly want to share the message of hope you've been given with everyone you know, but when your friends and family are still very much entrenched in their, um, hedonistic lifestyles, it's a struggle to maintain your faith while trying not to alienate the people you care about.

A lot of people (here included) have the assumption that Christians are these superior, holier-than-thou zealots shoving their beliefs down other people's throats, but try becoming one--it ain't easy; its exactly as it says in Scripture, that we will be persecuted for our beliefs because too many people don't want to have to sacrifice anything. Too many people want to stay immersed in their lifestyle because they are too focused on the self and what "feels good".

I could not "hate" someone simply because they are of a faith other than Christianity. Do I believe their religion false and Christ the true and living God? Yes. Obviously, if he was adamant his god was the true god and his religion the only true religion, I would have to say goodbye. But that in no way means I hate him.

You could always put in the comments section of your profile something about being open to new faiths and declare yourself non-practicing or whatever.

Sorry if I took the long, meandering way to answer the question. Peace.


As I mentioned earlier that I am not a religious person so I will have to excuse myself from getting into religious discussion. All I can say is I was raised to respect others opinions and beliefs but at the same time it does bother me to hear things like "...but we also have to draw the line as to whom we associate with." May be it bothers me because I find myself on the other side of the "line".
Again I dont mean to disrespect your belief it is simply a disagreement, I hope you understand.
 CaliforniaBob

Joined: 1/12/2007
Msg: 17
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 11:07:35 PM

A lot of people (here included) have the assumption that Christians are these superior, holier-than-thou zealots shoving their beliefs down other people's throats, but try becoming one--it ain't easy; its exactly as it says in Scripture, that we will be persecuted for our beliefs because too many people don't want to have to sacrifice anything. Too many people want to stay immersed in their lifestyle because they are too focused on the self and what "feels good".


Lots of people are persecuted for their beliefs. I'm gay and have endured prejudice from lots of people, especially your people who prohibit my civil right to a civil marriage. Try saying you don't believe in God in Iran and see how well you'll be treated. Fat people are treated horribly in America. Lots of discrimination. They make less money. Christians don't have the monopoly on being persecuted. And they've done their fair share of persecuting others as well.
 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 18
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 11:24:16 PM

- First, I don't think this is a religious question.

- Second..the term "racist" in my opinion is severely over used. Obviously if a chick has been interested in you, your skin colour, ergo your race..was not an issue for her, correct?

- Third, Muslim is a religion..not a race.

- Fourth, you don't know their circumstances behind not dating you once they find out you are muslim. Their fathers could have threatened to disown them if they dated a muslim..ultimately their decision yes, but still...a Fathers opinion generally matters greatly to a woman. They may not want to date you for fear of being bugged by friends, family, co-workers. They may have apprehensions about dating a muslim because of "recent events". But it still doesn't make them racist.

Bottom line, just because they don't date you,. doesn't mean they hate you. And if they don't like you, it also doesn't mean it's because you are a muslim.


First - Why it is not a religious question? Please explain. If someone judges me because of my religion, I think that makes it a religious question.

Second- The chicks were interested in me until they found out about my religion.

Third - so treating muslims differently or even hating them would not qualify you as a racist, as islam is not a race. I can see technically that is true, I hope this makes same people feel better. But it still leaves us with.... narrow-minded, prejudiced and biased.

Fourth - So your saying while they are reading my email or chatting with me their father is looking over their shoulder screaming at them, possible but highly unlikely. Or it is not the girls but actually their fathers, or friends and coworkers that are prejudice against muslims? So the answer is "Yes" due to the recent events it is ok to have prejudice against muslims? As all muslims obviously are extremists and terrorists. I am sure, what you are saying is same thought process that goes in side most girls heads.

So the bottom line is that girls dont hate me, they just dont like to date me. and if they dont like me its not becuase I am muslim it is just that they find out something extremely awful about me right after they find out my name. I am sure I dont introduce myself as "My name is Sheraz and I like to run over puppies" LOL
 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 19
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 11:43:11 PM

It makes it ok, because the only other option, is for them to lie, and claim that they don't feel negatively towards something, that they actually dislike.


No the other option is to understand that it is wrong to hate others and to learn to except them.


Personally, if someone dislikes me, I rather have them tell me openly, then to be misled by political correctness.


I agree.


In other words, asking if a person's personal feelings are ok or not, is like asking if it is ok for them to have brown eyes.
Yes, in time a persons feelings can change through experience, growth and perhaps education, but at the time that they truly feel something, it is a part of them just like the color of their eyes. So, it is not wether it is ok or not, but it is simply what it is.


No it is not same as having a certain color of eyes, as one can not change the color of eyes but one can learn to not treat people differently due to racial or religious bias. You can not correct something if you dont see anything wrong with it so the question is if it is ok or not. Once it is established that it is not ok you can move forward to correct it by experience and education.


Of course, I am only talking about private feelings here. Once those feelings are expressed in a way that might cause physical or great psychological harm to others, then it is a whole different situation, because those that might be harmed will most likely wish to protect themselves in some way.

Once you start to treat people differently based on your personal feeling of hatred, that no one pointed out to be wrong then these feelings are not personal anymore. And as you said once these feelings are expressed in a way to harm others it is a different situation. I feel in this case the feelings are causing harm and spreading prejudice.
 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 20
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 11:50:51 PM

for now on tell them your last name right away - if they shy away that's awesome, you just saved the time and effort of getting to know some person that was too racist for you to want to spend your life with anyway.

The thing is that I can understand if someone is reluctant to go out with a fundamentalist muslim, even I wouldnt go out with one.
I just hope every time that they see I am not a fundamentalist, and that I am just a normal person like them....
 SweetTreat

Joined: 11/15/2005
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Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 7/31/2007 11:54:35 PM
First - Why it is not a religious question? Please explain. If someone judges me because of my religion, I think that makes it a religious question.


Well first, you are assuming that they are judging you based on your religion, which unless they say "hey dude, I can't be with you or I'm not interested in you because you are muslim"...than it's just your feeling or assumption as to why they aren't interested.


Second- The chicks were interested in me until they found out about my religion.


Coincidence? Maybe...maybe not. I'll tell you a little story. I was dating this guy that was East Indian, he himself was not religious, he couldn't have given a rats ass about his cultures faith, his family however(Hindu)...completely different story. When it came to his mother, no girl was good enough for "her baby", especially if they were not east indian and if they wouldn't be willing to convert to their faith. Even tho he didn't practice, and even tho he couldn't have cared less. So...perhaps....just perhaps....these chicks were interested until they found out your background, because from what I gather, muslims are extremely devout to their religion as well. And to someone that isn't muslim, they may just feel it's a loss cause. Maybe they have had similar experiences, maybe they have apprehensians about the religion as a whole? The Sharia Law is a well known law (although I know not associated with all that follow the religion) but it could be basis for a girl to say "ya know what..it's just not worth it to me". I'll tell you, I'd never date another East Indian man again. Not because I have issues with the culture or the men, but because many if not most are highly devout, (the Mothers) and unless you convert, you really have no future with their son.


Third - so treating muslims differently or even hating them would not qualify you as a racist, as islam is not a race. I can see technically that is true, I hope this makes same people feel better. But it still leaves us with.... narrow-minded, prejudiced and biased.


I'm the last person to judge someone based on race or religion. As long as a person is happy, I'm happy for them. But again, everything just isn't how it seems on the surface. To you, a girl finds out you are muslim, she splits, you feel it's because she doesn't like muslims, whereas again, there could be several different reasons, such as some I've outlined above.


Fourth - So your saying while they are reading my email or chatting with me their father is looking over their shoulder screaming at them, possible but highly unlikely.


Not at all, but Fathers have a way of making their daughters feel guilty.


Or it is not the girls but actually their fathers, or friends and coworkers that are prejudice against muslims? So the answer is "Yes" due to the recent events it is ok to have prejudice against muslims?


I actually never said that...but what I will say is this: People tend to live in their own worlds. If something isn't within 10 feet of them, if they don't experience it, they aren't really cultured or diverse. So when someone lives in their own world, they all of a sudden hear about things such as 9/11, they get ideas, thoughts, preconcieved notions in their heads. Is it right? No...but it's life. If that's all they have to go by, because they aren't cultured, than that's all they know. Make sense?


As all muslims obviously are extremists and terrorists. I am sure, what you are saying is same thought process that goes in side most girls heads.


Not what I'm saying, infact I have many Muslim friends, and I know that's not what they feel. Sure, I've encountered Muslims that do feel that extremism is the right way, but I've met more that have felt the opposite. But what I am saying is what I said above, some people just don't live outside their own world. They learn by seeing news on Tv, and if that's their basis to go by..than sadly it is.


So the bottom line is that girls dont hate me, they just dont like to date me. and if they dont like me its not becuase I am muslim it is just that they find out something extremely awful about me right after they find out my name.


I'm not saying that either lol I just don't like when people jump to conclusions and assume the worse, that's all.


I am sure I dont introduce myself as "My name is Sheraz and I like to run over puppies" LOL


Well..maybe you should try that line sometime? Hey look, judging by your picture, you're hot..and I'm sure you are a nice guy...so I'm sure you won't have a problem finding a gal. Do what you feel is right, if you feel that being Muslim is an issue, say it upfront or post it in your profile. If you feel it isn't, than keep going on as you have.
 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 22
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 8/1/2007 12:08:31 AM

You said you come from a moderate muslim family... what does that mean? Would your family accept you ever marrying a non-muslim? Do the opinions of your family members play a big role with who you commit to? For many people even dating someone who differs with them on fundamental areas like religion is not worth wasting their time with.


In my family my sisters' education was just as important as mine or my brother's. Girls were encouraged to get education and work. Growing up we dint go to the religious schools but attended private christian school. We were taught to respect other's religions. And the biggest difference from other muslims would be the lack of our belief in "Jehad" or religious war.

I think the news of me marrying a christian girl would not be the highlight of my parents day, but it will not be the end of the world either. My happiness is definitely very important to them so yes they will accept her. Yes my family's opinion matters but I have to live my life not them so I am the one whos decision really matters.
For me ethical and political values are more important then religious beliefs.
 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 23
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 8/1/2007 12:27:18 AM

Lots of people are persecuted for their beliefs. I'm gay and have endured prejudice from lots of people, especially your people who prohibit my civil right to a civil marriage. Try saying you don't believe in God in Iran and see how well you'll be treated. Fat people are treated horribly in America. Lots of discrimination. They make less money. Christians don't have the monopoly on being persecuted. And they've done their fair share of persecuting others as well.


People try to focus on my problem here! Just kidding, the thing that bothers me is that I am being prosecuted for someone else's beliefs. I hate extremism and terrorism just like everyone. If I was a extremist muslim I would not be complaining for being treated like shit, instead it would simply justify my hatred for them.
I feel you man, one of my big issues with muslims is treatment and prosecution of gays.
 Ladiesman217

Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 24
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 8/1/2007 12:29:45 AM

Personally I would rather date a muslim over a christian bigot or atheist any day!! Provided he didn't fall into the extreme end of things that is....

If only there were more girls like you in Montreal :)
 CaliforniaBob

Joined: 1/12/2007
Msg: 25
Is it ok to hate muslims when it comes to dating?
Posted: 8/1/2007 3:13:14 AM
You know over here where I live I don't think you coming from a Muslim background would matter considering you're not a practicing Muslim. You're very good looking and the women here would be very interested in you. If you were a practicing Muslim I'm guessing that would be a problem as most here are either not very religious or Christian. Even practicing Muslims who are good looking get lots of sexual attention here from non-Muslims. I don't know about long term relationships though.
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