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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/1/2007 9:50:03 AM | Just like a Car, if there is no driver it will not operate. A computer without instructions from an outside source The human body is designed to keep itself alive so that the operator can do what he or she wants with it. Without a spirit or soul or kA or conscience the body would not move, the autonomic systems would keep it alive until energy stores run out (food) So what if when we die our souls are released to go back to where they came from. If someone was reincarnated they would or should have no memory of past lives because all that in formation was locked into the brain of the body that soul previously inhabited like ram or a hard-drive in a computer. If someone gets a new computer it will operate but will have none of the software that was in the old one, at first start-up.
So we live in another form before we are born, operate the equipment we are locked into (born ) then leave with no memory of what we did when we die. Perhaps Earth is a training ground to teach us certain skills that we will use, after we die or earth is a prison for people who have committed sins and need to be redeemed before we can go back to where we came from | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/1/2007 2:12:03 PM | I find it hard to believe that a so called soul is the driving force is what keeps our body alive. I know cloning humans hasn't happened yet so its impossible to prove that their is no soul, but a sheep was cloned and lived for some time and some believe that animals have souls so i'd say that the whole idea of this being a training ground for a higher existence seems silly. But for a second lets pretend it were true... k a little longer then a second and if a soul was fused to our bodies, that soul and our body is still us, and we would of seen the importance of living a life as a human to make such a choice.
And if we didn't make the choice to be human some force did it would only stands to reason that we need to be human and not worry so much about spiritual matters. Surely we have an eternity to do so when we are rid of this body??? If we were given a body it seems like a waste to not make the most of it meaning living life as a human. We simply cannot know beyond our body and death or we would know by now. And in that case i believe that we should cherish being human and instead of waste our time and energy on the after life, that will surely come without us doing a single thing, we should learn to master being human and give importance to all humans self actualization.
I don't deny or disbelieve that there is more to us then what is seen. But its clear that believing that there is and defining it has done nothing to better mankind. People lived in harmony with the land and each other before so called superior belief systems came about destroying cultures and meaningful ways of life that were in harmony with what is instead of what might be.
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/1/2007 2:43:42 PM | I for one beleive that life on earth is a punishment or prison for some misdeed you did in the spiritual world...... the worse thing u did the longer ur put here for, and i guess if u have a good life its like federal minimum security prison.... The only way to win at this game of life is to kill urself and get back to the spiritual world, lol but im a loser so ill be here for awhile.... | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/1/2007 4:21:16 PM | First, I don't think your analogy of humans to computers compares very well. We may share some minor similarities but we have many more differences.
I don't believe in a soul or spirit -- its all made up by religion. Make up a problem and then offer a solution. A soul may sound like something we'd want to believe in because we can't bear the idea of our consciousness disappearing into a void...yet it happens every time we go to sleep at night.
We human beings operate because we have a biological system which relies on many things, such as a brain, a heart, lungs, stomach, kidneys, etc. Take any part away and we might just stop functioning. The absence of a vital organ is not proof of a soul/spirit/conscience/etc.
But, suppose you don't share my beliefs about the non-existence of a soul. How do you know that we humans have a soul? Are we more exceptional then any other animal in the world? Is it because we have a personality? Do we have souls because we have high levels of intelligence? Are souls granted to humans through a super-natural deity? Can monkeys have a soul too? Can a dog have a soul? Can a cat have a soul? Can a mouse have a soul? Can a spider have a soul? Can a mosquito have a soul? Can single celled organisms have a soul? Can plants have souls?
I'm going to assume that you're religious and believe souls are exclusively granted to humans by a super natural deity. My question is, when is the soul instilled into a human being? Is it at the moment that a child is born through the birth canal? Is the soul bestowed during the fetus stage? Or maybe the soul is imparted at the moment of inception when the male sperm bursts through the egg releasing all of its complimentary DNA. At that moment, the human egg is fertilized and is still a single celled organism. Can single celled organisms have a soul? | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/2/2007 12:24:35 PM | | What if it were a punishment and all we have to do is die and we return from where we came from? If we were born on earth with this knowledge people would kill themselves as soon as they could knowing that it's no biggy to get off this planet . So of course we wind up here with no knowledge of that other place. However there are people that claim they hear voices or see things or remember past lives . these people are locked up for their own good or are they? Maybe the wardens or doctors know more then they say. What if they do know of other existence's and are here to prevent us from shortening our imposed sentences on earth? Maybe the ones that remember past lives are repeat offenders? | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/2/2007 1:09:49 PM | First of all I am not religious. Secondly since we can only communicate with each other, we assume our individuality is a soul or spirit. Maybe every single creature on earth has a working conscience but they just don't communicate with us.
At one time Slaves were thought to not a a soul. We consider so called lower caste animals to be soul-less that lets us off the hook to kill them and eat them. Chickens could have been used by the powers that be to be a good place to put souls that sinned but just need a short time on earth to teach them a lesson or maybe every animal has a good and bad life and we just don't consider it from all angles as we are ignorant of the whole scheme of things. If you were born a chicken that could be a short sentence of life on earth, but humans not knowing better want to extend our lives for as long as possible . This could be one of the greatest cosmic jokes around. Make your prison sentence longer because you didn't know you could be pardoned whenever you like
As to when does a organism have a soul, how about when the brain is fully built. Just like a computer, power supply memory, hard-drive, microprocessor and all interconnecting devises and the computer does not need peripherals to operate they are just add-ons. Once all these items are put-together them add power,in this case nutrients from the mother at all stages of the pregnancy since organics need this to grow. them we have a chamber for the soul or whatever to function and that gets added to the unit ("being" in question)
"We human beings operate because we have a biological system which relies on many things, such as a brain, a heart, lungs, stomach, kidneys, etc. Take any part away and we might just stop functioning. The absence of a vital organ is not proof of a soul/spirit/conscience/etc." We will stop operating without those vital organs just like a computer would stop working if something vital is removed like the hardrive. We have to be put unconscience to have a operation or the pain from the operation could kill us. Remove an internal components from a powered computer and everything freezes perhaps forever as it has be shorted out, you have to work on it with the power off, put under so to speak
Certain organs can be removed from the human body and it still functions, some can be replaced with other similar organs or even artificial ones. However as the body can reject everything but it's own DNA ordered components certain drugs must be added to prevent failure of these new parts... Computers can function without certain parts and still function, you can substitute other components but the computers need firmware and software to function with them or the computer fails to operate. It won't operate unless you feed it (electricity). So it's not organic and doesn't grow but it does age and eventually stop working unless massive upgrades are done to it. However it has no A.I. so it has no soul, needs to be operated just as the human body needs an operator or it will not function beyond its simple firmware instructions
BTW what are the major differences between us and computers? other than we are organic and grow and the computers are put together by people. Maybe the human body had to be designed and it took a long time to build the first model that could replicate. There are already computers building faster computers and may reach a point where humans won't know how they function because of the speed and complexity and design . how far off is A.I.? the soul?
"We human beings operate because we have a biological system which relies on many things, such as a brain, a heart, lungs, stomach, kidneys, etc. Take any part away and we might just stop functioning. The absence of a vital organ is not proof of a soul/spirit/conscience/etc." We will stop operating without those vital organs just like a computer would stop working if something vital is removed like the hardrive. We have to be put unconscience to have a operation or the pain from the operation could kill us. Remove an internal components from a powered computer and everything freezes perhaps forever as it has be shorted out, you have to work on it with the power off, put under so to speak | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/2/2007 1:49:59 PM | or earth is a prison for people who have committed sins and need to be redeemed before we can go back to where we came from
To quote an old Msn name of name of mine: “May be I died and this is hell”. Now I don’t believe in a soul as such, but as for scientific method and deontology, this reality could be artificial. So there are infinite possibilities for the ‘real reality’ and no way to prove any of them, who knows, may be our experience of this lifetime is only the first level of a greater journey.
Msg: 3 (ReInVenTeD) The only way to win at this game of life is to kill urself and get back to the spiritual world
Not a very well thought out punishment system, if all we have to do is kill ourselves then that would be the equivalent of being able to walk out free at anytime (except during infancy). | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/2/2007 1:50:26 PM | jamesweld22...almost said what I was going to post.
I do believe in those people who say they , hear, see, dream, dejavu ,It's happened to me in a lower scale I think....And I did hear an opinion that earth is really hell, and you are put here to prevent others from making the same mistake .
Earth may just be a training ground, if you think about all those times that your"little man inside"(your conscience), told you to do something, and you didn't...than you say"Shit I knew that", doing things out of a "gut feeling" is just something people don't want to do cause everybody around them may look down on you and say"are you nuts"
But why do so many people constantly say " I knew I should of did that", is something or somebody telling us what really to do, but we just ignore it? Maybe if everyone views everybody as equal, than we would not have all this hatred we have on this earth?We all have struggles in life, and the more we help each other the more our Hell on Earth, will become Peace on Earth
And Yes I am a repeat offender, I'm sentenced to Life on earth
Holy Shit you posted again...was talking Msg5,still gotta read your other one | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/2/2007 2:02:35 PM | | Earth is what the previous life was training for. This is it. This is the final and only real life you ever get. It is now or never. Next comes oblivion. If you have anything to do, do it while you are alive. There is nothing better than this life. There is only the question of whether or not you recognize what life is all about, and actually live, before it is over. | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/2/2007 4:21:59 PM | Live life like it's your last day, max out your creditcards. Okay I agree with you on living life to it's fullest but what is Oblivian? The unknown ,the next step in an evolution of conscience? How can i be me and you be you and that's it. We do go somewhere else and I have as much proof of this, as you do that this life is all that we have. None whatsoever.
Have an ultra incredible life. | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/5/2007 4:51:17 PM | Buddhism would suggest that this world is an illusion and has mass amounts of philosophy and examples to back up such a statement. Though, such understanding requires actual "practice" outside of just saying "ya I believe it" or "no, I don't, you're a moron."
If life had little to no purpose, peace of mind would not exist. Meditators would not exist. There'd be little to meditate on, I'd imagine, if the Earth/life had no meaning.
Hell, why aren't we in chaos? We should be raping and pillaging if life had no meaning and it was truly a one shot deal. Who would want to work long hours for this? 2 hours of "t.v." time at night?
I think most, when dying, will realize that they require help, aid, or guidance. Western society ignores death and lives as if they are forever. Why care? Why learn? Why learn to care? | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/5/2007 11:15:24 PM | Humanity is a bunch of idiots because, while we can recognize ourselves in a mirror, we are barely self-aware (said exaggeratively). The idea of "awakening" or "enlightenment" does exist in life for a reason. Things are never as they seem, which isn't just a saying, it's a perspective. People live for them self while ignoring everything around them. Enlightenment is the end to ignorance.
I don't think it's religious talk, it's simple truth and anyone who disagrees merely put the challenge to the test. Buddhism is 100% testable, everything about it is. It's the study of what "is." In a sense, training ground is "o.k." to say, but not the best way of putting it. Hell, how many religions would state that it would change it's belief system if science disproved any of it? Though, most do not consider Buddhism religion, rather, living theory. It's for anyone who wishes to learn it, though, not thrust upon anyone (as it should not be, in my opinion).
People may have 2 eyes but they only see with 1 | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/6/2007 9:06:29 AM | Compared to those that ARE. Most do not understand that every action they take, everything, has a reaction, both large and small.
I've a friend whose dad had bought almost 10 cars. He bought 2 pick up trucks since I last saw him, not one, but 2. Does he need both? God no (I don't even think he uses them, he has 2 S.U.V.'s). So, let's use him as an example. Imagine if we all lived like him and wanted (and obtained) 10 cars, think the the resources wasted, energy wasted, pollution, space wasted, etc. Do you think his Dad thought of any of those things? Sounds pretty insignificant but on a large scale, it is a problem.
Leaving a computer on is another small, fine example. Many will state "I'm just one person, it won't matter" but they are oblivious to the fact that EVERYONE is saying that. If everyone DIDN'T say that, energy, on a large scale, would be saved.
Let's look at more personal examples. Ever reveal to someone a truth about them, perhaps how they act or respond? Ever noticed how people react very poorly, angrily, and often hostile when you do?
I've a friend who is retarded all the time (haha, I mean he is late). He never has a valid excuse, it is normally that he is sleeping or watching t.v. When you call him on that fact, that he is always late, he will deny it and think of one time he was on time. He is denying, to himself, that he is late. That is a poor self-awareness issue, an inability to look at oneself objectively and see yourself for who you truly are. Not many people will sit in a quiet place and reflect, objectively, on who they are. Most people fill their time with as many distractions and activities as possible to avoid the one person they seem to know least - themselves. Great reason to drink - run away from ones problems.
I've another friend who is extremely negative. Hates everything, bitches and bitches and blah blah. She cannot figure out why she is not the most liked person on earth. Answer, to me, seems very clear, but to her, she is just confused.
There really are countless examples in life of poor-self awareness, either on a environmental scale, or, a personal scale. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2007 11:39:29 PM | Life is a gift... And we are an extension and an expression of the cosmic divinity that dreamt us into existence...
'To desire another world, is to profane this one.' -- Nietzsche --
'one real world is enough.' -- Santayana --
DUde, your theory only makes sense if you consider life to be a punishment, a form of suffering...
Some, hopefully many believe that the world can be, and often is, a place of infinite wonder, immense beauty and mysterious enchantment...
Which perspective you believe, depends on the life you are living, and neither perspective demonstrates the 'reality' or ultimate truth of the cosmos.
Although my friend, they do reveal an immense amount about those who believe and disseminate them. And so, y/our theories about life are a reflection of who we are and what we experience...
Its funny and sad for me, to hear the things said here today... mostly because I've once said them... and I wish I could help you to see, that your salvation rests in your own hands... that there is such a thing as the joyful wonder of a genuine and authentic life... a life some, tragically, deny and negate...
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Posted: 8/7/2007 9:21:25 AM | OP an enlightening thread that souls who are elevated will address its contents.
Ignore the others. Your thread is one to be addressed..unfortunately few are ready to accept its contents.
You know what I believe.
Sierra~ | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/7/2007 9:37:49 AM | I believe that all our wants and needs are instincts or programs built into the human brain. They will be gone when we return to a soul form so "fun" would be considered a different experience.
There is no way that chemical and biological reactions produce self-awareness, those reactions keep us alive but not at a level where we can question our existence, they make us believe that the human form is attractive to us so we can procreate by accident while we get a treat from the chemical reactions that have been programmed in us to treat us to good feelings when we see what it is we are supposed to like. Rats in a cage with scientists. All of our experiences we get as we get older simply are learnt information converted into subprograms to run with the main programs and stored in wet-ware the brain. Once we die, all knowledge is removed from our "souls". It's too bad that we can't store the sum total of the brain, filter out personnel learnings, ( like what the name of our dog was) and download it into the brain at maturity. Can't do it when we are too young we wouldn't be mature enough to handle it,and can't do it at maturity as too much personnel stuff is going to pervert the learning into something that could be dangerous to humankind. This is obviously a design made to prevent us from going to far in our quest to find out why we are here. Don't want the prisoners to get the upper hand | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/10/2007 4:10:49 PM |
What is the definition of an idiot when we have only ourselves as a reference?
I believe we have universal laws for a reason. We can easily use history as a measuring stick - would you say we are smarter then a caveman or would you still stick to the "we only have ourselves as a reference?"
Logic is a universal law, we think using logic. When our logic is flawed, it is bested and therefore, not logic but rather "illogical." Would you say that we are intelligent since we understand the reasoning behind 1+1=2 or would you still stick to the "we only have ourselves as a reference?"
Logic is universal, we are of the universe, do we really only have ourselves as a reference? I do not think so.
I suggest maybe view it as an evolution of logical understanding. What seemed like a good idea, yesterday, may have ramifications we may not know of until 5 years from then.
If you do not want to die, what right do you have to take away someone else's life? You only had yourself as a reference, but logically, if you take another life, you are suggesting your life is available to take. | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/10/2007 6:33:18 PM |
I believe we have universal laws for a reason. We can easily use history as a measuring stick - would you say we are smarter then a caveman or would you still stick to the "we only have ourselves as a reference?"
All this information is derived from human knowledge and thought. You can't move it outside of it's own frame of reference. Until you can produce some alternative perspective, you're basically like an eyeball trying to look at itself without a reflective surface. | |
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| Is earth life a training ground for something better?
Posted: 8/10/2007 6:38:23 PM | All this information is derived from human knowledge and thought. You can't move it outside of it's own frame of reference. Until you can produce some alternative perspective, you're basically like an eyeball trying to look at itself without a reflective surface.
It is said the mind is a "mirror" to the world around us. What you fail to realize is that our actions take place within a universe created on logic - every action has a reaction, the more negative the action, the more negative the reaction, the more positive the action, the more positive the reaction.
Would you suggest the only reason one does not kill another is because of our paper laws or something more? Very few, if any, species kill their own - how would they survive? How would they know if they only have themselves to guide them? How do we know this is right? Maybe we should be killing each other more then we are? | |
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