| | new speeding penalties good or bad?Page 1 of 11 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11) | A new program is being implemented in Toronto to digitally record speeders on the 400 highways who exceed the posted limits by 50 kms or more. The penalty for this infraction has the same weight as road racers and the fine is 10,000 bucks and an automatic 7 day loss of license and car.
Do you think this justified or is this a little on the overkill side?
Will it make our highways safer? | |
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*Tee*
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Msg: 2 | |
| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 8/19/2007 5:28:30 AM | When I was coming home from Toronto, I noticed on several of the bridges there were cops with cameras aimed at the oncoming traffic, could that be what you're talking about?
Personally, if you're going 50 km over, you SHOULD get your licence taken away for a week. 10,000 bucks is a little steep, but hey, I bet they won't do that again..lol . If you're going 20-30 over, thats one thing, but 50 is downright dangerous. JMO, but then what do I know..lol | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 6:36:30 AM | | it will hurt the pocket book and will ground them for a week but once the time has expired they will be back speeding again.i don't think it will teach speeders a lesson,they will always do it.i guess stupid is as stupid does,eh?(TR) | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 6:41:57 AM | | Well just having come back from Toronto, I can certainly understand the need to do "something" about the excessive speeding! I do, however, think what they want to implement for punishment is a tad over the top. A heafty fine for sure, and perhaps a two/three day license suspension for first offenders. Just enough to encourage someone to seriously think about doing it again.... | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 6:53:26 AM | Cash grab is all it is.
Drive impaired three times over the limit, only 49 clicks over the speed limit and the penalty is less severe.
The speed limits as of now, especially on the 400 highways are ridiculous.
The highways are designed for higher speeds as are the newer vehicles of today.
This all comes down to the upcoming election and trying to make an issue out of street racing.
How many people are killed or injured as a result of street racing in ontario every year?
How many people are killed or injured from impaired driving?
Is this not the same government that extended the hours for bars to stay open?
That way drunks can get even drunker before driving home.
The government don't care about your safety, only how much they and lawyers can fill their pockets. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 7:06:10 AM | The fine is steep although some of the rich kids can afford it as well as their lawyer.
Taking the car on the spot is a good idea as it becomes evidence. Then the police can read the onboard computer to see just what was happening as some onboard computers record the past 30 minutes of everything from speed to transmission shifting to which light was on. This could tell them exactly what the speed was. However the police would have to hold the car until after the trial and the kids would have nothing to drive :)
Will it make the highways safer? Probably not by itself. If they can add a few more police to enforce the laws and judges to punish the bad drivers, that would help. You can be just as dangerous at 50KPH as at 150KPH if you are a bad driver.
For example...I was passing a slow moving vehcile doing 40K in a 90K zone last week when the driver veered left and forced me onto the shoulder on the other side. It wasn't speed, it was his stupidity.
To make the roads safer, the basic driving test has to be much more strict; better driving techniques have to be taught; drivers have to be retested every few years; cars have to be kept in better working condition.
I took an advanced driver training course many years ago that included skid control, high speed driving, safe driving and more. I also have 10 years of rally experience, so I can handle most incidents. Everybody should have this added training.
It's a start in the right direction as far as I am concerned. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 7:11:13 AM | Cash grab or not, when your on the highway with your family going to or coming home from a weekend vacation and some a-hole goes flying by you at 140-150 how does that make you feel?
We had a trucker who killed himself because of a racer rather than risking 20 other people on the road. Did that racer or racers ever come forward taking blame?
Yeah we have cars with more powerful engines and faster cars but they don't come basic, if you have the money to blow on the upgrades then you can afford to get hit with the $10,000 fines.
Fine them, suspend their licenses and jail the people who think that risking other people's lives is worth the cost of $6,000 in engine upgrades. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 7:12:51 AM | If the penalty isn't steep, then I don't think people will slow down or take it serious. So yes, I agree with it, and anyone that has a problem with the fine and charges, must be ones that are mad that they can't fly like that anymore. I have a lead foot but thats going a little too fast. There's no need for it. How much is a life worth when any your loved ones are killed in an accident because some jerk is racing his buddy and causes an accident?
Keep it off the street, take it to a track. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 8:06:27 AM |
Drive impaired three times over the limit, only 49 clicks over the speed limit and the penalty is less severe.
The immediate penalty may be less financially but not in the long run. You would still get the speeding ticket and the points. On top of that, you automatically lose your licence for a year. In order to get your licence back you have to have a breathalyzer attachment for you car and any other car you may have access to at your residence. Your insurance will be around $5000/yr, per vehicle that you have access to. i.e. even if your spouse has a car that you never drive the breathalyzer and insurance still pertain to that car as the potential for you to drive it is there. As my brother ... his wife got nabbed a few years back. The ten grand a year in insurance just about did them in. That isn't just for one year either.
Not to mention the fact that depending on the circumstances of your arrest, the judge can give you jail time and you will have a criminal record. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 8:51:28 AM | Yikes!! $10 grand - I think I'll slow down a tad now!! I can't afford that!! I'd also freak without being able to drive! So I certainly will be a good girl!!   | |
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My I
| | Joined: 1/23/2007
Msg: 11 | |
| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 8/19/2007 8:57:11 AM | I agree with the imposed fine and penalty because it's usually those who are driving that fast are doing it regularly.
Recently, a biker in windsor was clocked going 240 km/h on an inner city expressway. The reason it made the news is because he was going so fast, they could track him down. Others came forward and claimed they've seen that same guy speeding down the expressway before.
It's not like a person accidentally goes 50 km/h over the speed limit because he/she was distracted.
It's an intentional act and it endangers the life of everyone around them. I can just imagine his/her next insurance renewal will have some teeth in it - lol | |
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Mayor
| | Joined: 1/2/2006
Msg: 12 | |
| new speeding penalties good or bad?
Posted: 8/19/2007 9:13:30 AM |
Will it make our highways safer?
look at the number or laws, bylaws, felony laws that are currently in place to make society safer. Does any one think one more law is likely to make it so?
laws will never stop stupidity, and I suspect nor will they curve the appetite of the young to be rebellious
just a couple thoughts | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 9:13:47 AM | http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/246841
<div class="quote">Under the legislation drivers nabbed going more than 50 km/h over the speed limit could face:
Immediate licence suspension.
Having their vehicle immediately impounded for seven days.
If convicted, fines from $2,000 to $10,000, Canada's highest penalty.
For a second conviction within 10 years of the first, courts could take away their licence for up to 10 years.
There is also the corresponding insurance increases to the same range as impaired.
<div class="quote">Each year approximately 900 people lose their lives on Ontario roads; Statistics Canada reports almost two-thirds of traffic deaths can be linked to aggressive driving. Since 1999, 37 deaths tied to street racing have occurred in the Greater Toronto Area. Annually there are about 2,500 convictions for driving at 50 km/h or more over the limit, the Ontario government reports.
So it seems impaired drivers are not that huge of a problem and here I always thought they were a serious problem. Guess you learn something new every day.
If speed is the cause of two thirds of traffic deaths, why not lower the existing speed limits?
Why not have governors on all vehicles so they can't go over 100 km?
Why is it legal to buy equipment to make vehicles go faster?
I do not condone street racing and actually do drive the speed limit, sometimes 10 km over on the highway.
The ones driving way under the speed limit are just as dangerous as are those who are fatigued and even those whose blood/alcohol is over 0.00%. How about cell phones, people reading newspapers while driving or even putting on make up?
<div class="quote">Not to mention the fact that depending on the circumstances of your arrest, the judge can give you jail time and you will have a criminal record.
Why is speeding not a criminal offence after all more people are killed from that than impaired?
As I've stated before, CASH GRAB.
Makes it look like they are doing something about but it's just appearance. Another way to squander tax dollars on more toys for the opp. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 1:52:55 PM |
A new program is being implemented in Toronto to digitally record speeders on the 400 highways who exceed the posted limits by 50 kms or more. The penalty for this infraction has the same weight as road racers and the fine is 10,000 bucks and an automatic 7 day loss of license and car.
My two cents on this one is that fines should start going by scale. $10000 is not a lot of money for people who can afford to spend $50000 on a car. But you can't assume the person has a race car... because you can take almost any car to and past 160kph. the same $10k fine could mean that person would be paying the only 200bucks a month they have towards that fine; for that person it would be a definate deterant.
Basically nobody should be going that far over the speed limit, but you are only picking on (detering) people who can't afford the fine. I'd say automatic loss of license and that person has to start at G1 when they get it back, and a fine of no less then the greater of $5000 or 25% of anual income (fine doubled for each repeat offence).
Do you think this justified or is this a little on the overkill side?
It's not overkill when you consider that there is no justifiable reason to go 50k over... especially in a city or residential area.
Will it make our highways safer?
I don't think this will make any appreciable difference in the safety of our roads.
The very jackasses this law is suppose to deter usually have found their way into money and can afford that fine readily... These people usually feel 6 feet tall and bullet proof... and what's 7 days without a car when you can afford to call in work or get somebody to cover for you (assuming they work for anyone at all)?
I think driving is a priviledge... but I mean priviledge as you are a responsible person and not priviledge that you are a higher class of person with money (as the system is leaning towards).
Please somebody start a thread on car insurance... I've got a $1.36 to share on that subject :D | |
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nedly
| | Joined: 10/18/2005
Msg: 15 | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 2:36:21 PM | Morons will still apply for Darwin Awards no matter what the speed limits or fines are.
Lost two more this weekend just a few blocks from my place. The driver was "known to police".
The sad part is these idiots take others with them.
http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/236119
When you see the car and look at the long long skid marks you know they were moving. Lawrence Road is not designed for high speeds. It's bumpy and loose even at 50km . At 200k+ which is what these guys must have been doing they didn't stand a chance.
City streets are not built for such speeds.
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Posted: 8/19/2007 4:50:39 PM | I don't think the laws are strict enough, and Im a speeder (though not 50km over the limit, mmore like 20)
We need to adopt a more European view of traffic regulations and have stiffer fines and penalties. Those caught going 50+ over should have their lisence revoked for atleast a month for the first offense and years for the second.
As for it being a "money grab", of course it is, but at least this way its the speeders that will be paying not every tax payer... | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 7:37:40 PM | Cash grab.
I've sped on more than one occasion and I've seen people speed at over 50 km/h but they only stuck to the left lane without veering or undertaking.
What the government needs to do is to force people to take driving schools licensed by the government. This would be one way to get idiots of the road.
Take this example:
I was cruising down the 401 at 120 km/h in the right lane. Both middle and left are open with no traffic. I see this car come up right to my bumper and sit there for 5 minutes. She then veered into the middle lane, stuck to the bumper of another car, undertook that person, veered back into the middle lane, undertook another person, and then jumped two lanes all the way to the left. All the while she is accelerating and decelerating. Now where is a cop when you need one?
Instead of imposing speed fines, I want them to police vehicles in unmarked police cars. This way you could nail quite a few of the idiots with reckless and dangerous driving which are a lot worse than just speeding. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2007 8:30:01 PM | Only if they're using the Laser radar guns.
I recently got a ticket coming south on the 400 going uphill just before Hwy 9 (where they always sit) for doing 144km/hr with my cruise control set at 100 in the slow lane in my mothers minivan.
Mr Gold Mercedes in the middle lane passing me got off easy that day.. and yes I am fighting it.
I have purposely made myself do the speed limit for the past month everywhere(hwy and in town) I drive.. and trust me.. my a$$ has been ridden like I was in prison, I've had people pull around me then go back into the "slowlane" and slam on thier breaks in front of me, and today I had a guy tell my 8 year old "fvck off and tell your mother to learn how to drive" when we were stopped side by side at a stop light because i had the nerve to actually be doing 40 in a school zone.
It's MORE dangerous almost to obey the limit and not go withthe flow of traffic. Where the hell is everyones patience? Sitting for 6 hours on the Hwy because of an accident doesn't get anyone anywhere faster.
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Posted: 8/20/2007 4:05:26 AM |
So it seems impaired drivers are not that huge of a problem and here I always thought they were a serious problem. Guess you learn something new every day.
Buggsy, I know for a fact that drunk drivers can and do lose their licence for life. I have seen it on a few people's drivers licence numbers (its a part of my job to check DL's). They can have it harsher than just losing it for a few years.
If you turn the tables and it was the racer driving normal and getting hit by some speeder, they'd maybe understand a bit better. I think losing a licence for life might be an even better option for them seeing as they don't have the common sense to think "hey I might kill an innocent child or person/people if I drive like this". I don't want to die, why should I have to be afraid of losing my life because some jackass(es) wants to race? I saw with my own eyes a young girl flying over 140 in an 80 zone when she passed me, and she ended up upside down in a ditch with the car on fire. Her life will never be the same again (she was only 19), I had to help her as i was the only person around, I picture her everyday how she was mangled, she was just lucky she got out of the car as it was completely on fire and upside down. Maybe some people need to see that stuff in real life to understand it better.
Paying 30 bucks for a day at the track to get written on paper how fast you can go over and over all day, or paying 10 grand and a chance at losing your licence with a paper record as well of how fast you went only one time... hmmmm whats the better choice there? | |
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Posted: 8/20/2007 6:16:29 AM | | I think it is a necessary penalty. People drive like idiots out there, thinking that going faster will increase your chances of getting home before all other traffic. You're a complete moron if you believe that rule. This isn't some bumper car your on or in a movie where nothing happens from your speeding...people can die from thoughtless actions like this. Cops are constantly telling people that you will get to your destination if you just obey the rules of the road and have some patience. People tend to treat the 400 highways as if their racing tracks, it's just utterly amazing to me to see how many can't drive worth sh*t out there. No one ever thinks about the velocity they're going at...it's not like you can stop on a dime or predict what other drivers will do. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2007 7:40:47 AM | | I wish somebody would be honest enough and say look we need the money - we cant raise taxes because an election is coming soon. We already have those laws on the books -- well not to such extremes but the boy's will speed anyway. | |
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Posted: 8/21/2007 7:45:48 AM | I totally disagree with what you say findher...........
These people speeding and racing... are killing other human beings on the highways and city streets...................The amount of Fines and penalties are to scare people from speeding.....and if Boys continue to speed... boys will be caught and the BOOK thrown at them........
Yes our government does alot of money grabbing ideas... but i honestly think they did this one... to Save Lifes | |
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rme329
| | Joined: 8/13/2007
Msg: 23 | |
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Posted: 8/21/2007 2:15:36 PM | Nobody Needs to be doing 150 or more on the 400 highways. I can't beleive it when I'm doing 130 in the fast lane along with the traffic infront of me, and some moron (it usually seems to be a BMW) gets right on my ass for me to move over into the middle lane... wich is doing 120 lol. I think we do already go fast enough on the highways, 130 is damn fast when you are surrounded by people with either lack of mind capacity for driving, or their hand eye motor skills are shit.
sure, I'll get pissed when its 2 lanes and the idiot who is doing 108 decides he's going to pass a semi doing 105 and it takes him 10 muinets to get by and I just want to cruise along at my 125 wich honestly, 90% of everyone else here does anyways.
It wouldn't be so bad on the highway if people were courteous on the roads and let people in, and not being so pushy to force your way into a spot... maybe that person is leaving some reaction time?
and also, people need to scan their mirrors constantly, its nice to come up behind a slower vehicle and they move over WELL in advance for you when they see ya. I do it all the time, but hell... I'm a 23 year old male, we are supposed to be the dumbest craziest careless drivers on the road and thats why I take it up the ass for insurance when I'm more alert, have faster reaction times and I can see better than 65 year old granny that needs a pillow to see over the steering wheel.
Testosterone does get the best of us guys sometimes, road rage happens, and some people think they have what it takes to handle a vehicle at high speeds...
If this keeps that hot shot office exec in the beemer/mercedes/cadillac or whatever over the top vehicle from creating a death, or even a traffic jam so we can scrape his brains off the road its good.
I'm a fast driver, I'm even a bit aggressive in situations but I do so when it needs to happen (there are times that brake pedal isn't the best option) and I NEVER exceed 130, you just don't need to go that fast with so many variables on the public roads.
I have a speed thrill to kill, but I do it either on a snowmobile at 200 where I'm the only risk, or I get out on the motocross track with 40 other crazy guys that signed the same waiver that I did. Screw buying a $50000 penis enlarger and go buy yourself a used pickup and uptake an organized motorsport to see if you are as good as you really think.
I don't know why people complain about this law, since you shouldn't be coming close to that speed, it shouldn't effect you... RIGHT?? | |
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Posted: 8/22/2007 2:11:24 AM | #1 Miller is putting the city in the red.
#2 Any excuse to make money and get votes.
#3 Policing the highways makes it safer.
make us happy. Figure out how to change the 400 highways into HIGHWAYS during rush hour instead of PARKING LOTS. Add more police on the highways not stiffer fines. You want cars to be slower, have the car company's STOP MAKING FAST CARS. If you pay 80,000 for a Corvette the company is selling that car knowing full well it can, and will, outrun a police car. Why aren't they being penalized instead of the drivers? Why do we have a road tax in the Gasoline price and the roads still have potholes? Why does the Government LEGISLATE insurance yet does not regulate it or provide a cheaper government run insurance provider?
Why? Because they're lining their pockets and don't care about anyone but themselves.
Fining the Automakers makes sense.
Hiring police MAKES SENSE.
Making public parking lots makes sense. Hiring Parking officers makes the city money. Toronto makes more money off parking tickets than anything else so now you know why few parking lots are approved and why so few public lots are around.
Mayor Mel was a bit of a dunce but at least he kept us out of debt and was funny while doing it. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2007 11:05:38 PM | Nobody commits a crime thinking they will get caught.
This is all good on paper, but its just boogey man scare tactics.
It will also be interesting in seeing how this will be enfirced.
I suspect the younger drivers will get the stiff penalties and the older drivers wil get off reletivly easily. | |
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