| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/23/2007 8:13:19 AM | | It has always been assumed by most people that the capability to behave like a normal human required a brain of a certain minimum size. Certainly over 500 cc. in volume; the following article seems to dispute this. Are we encapsulated spirits after all? Please see : http://www.spiritualnetwork.com/modules.phpop=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=48 | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/23/2007 8:15:10 AM | | i never heard of someone who had a non functional brain to be a normal person just like you and me. | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/23/2007 8:23:42 AM | in psych class I watched a video (about 15-20yrs old too) that had a bunch of people with around 30-40% as much brain matter as an average person and yet they functioned about as well as the average person. Quite fascinating really.
Are we encapsulated spirits after all?
Does this question infer that it is our soul is that drives us? If so, then shouldn't the brain be unnecessary? Lets remove it entirely and see how well the soul operates - what a wonderful cure for mental disease and illness that would be :) | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/23/2007 8:38:22 AM | | Yes, we do. I think of the soul as a beam of light and the physical body as a prism. Without the prism, the light is invisible. Without the brain, the soul is invisible (the person can't think, act or possibly even live). Each color seperated out by the prism would represent a particular facet of our personality. Think of someone with a damaged brain as compared to a damaged prism, not all colors are displayed, the light is dimmed or the light doesn't pass through at all. | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/23/2007 10:50:46 AM | | Taking a leap in assuming we are spiritual but need to be enabled to animate our bodies through the nervous system, I guess it would impossible without a transfer system, so some brain matter would seem to be essential; but could it be the same as with DNA where a lot of it is just "junk". Are our memories possibly stored "somewhere out there" such as in the Akashic records? | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/23/2007 1:36:58 PM | | short answer yes. lol i should hope so i just sat an exam about the structure of the stupid thing. i'll be very annoyed should it be found to be without point. | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/23/2007 4:28:26 PM |
in psych class I watched a video (about 15-20yrs old too) that had a bunch of people with around 30-40% as much brain matter as an average person and yet they functioned about as well as the average person. Quite fascinating really.
I saw this too, but 30-40% is not the same as not needing a brain. | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/23/2007 4:43:06 PM |
saw this too, but 30-40% is not the same as not needing a brain.
Exactly...
Of course we need a brain, how else would anything in our bodies work?? We dont do things on auto pilot, we do thinks due to brain cells and nerves etc. Our brain tells our hearts to beat and our lungs to breathe.
Without brains we would just be piles of jelly on the floor.
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/23/2007 5:10:17 PM | Do we need a Brain?
Well,.......
Not to post on this forum (kidding)
Art | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/23/2007 5:28:53 PM |  hobbbiest,you got me laughin' so hard I'm in tears over here
okay here's some food for thought:
Many may argue that the soul is mind and also may see the soul as our appetite,
desires,passions,emotions....this living breathing creature......
all in one,but still,only one soul to be found...and for this one,he or she may think that the mind is just one part of the soul unwinding so to speak .....just thought I would throw that out there just to give us something else to ponder about. | |
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Mr H2O
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/24/2007 3:43:45 AM | Short answer = YES
Proof - see this thread - <a href="http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts7094342.aspx">http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts7094342.aspx</a>
The 10% of the brain usage Myth
It's a myth folks - perpetuated at nauseum by stupid people who don't know squat
I read this far too many times in the forums and it just isn't true.
Why not 15. 7 %, __26.342 %, __or some other number, why is it always 10 %,
because we like nice round numbers,.....mmmmmm ?
http://sci-con.org/2004/09/exploding-the-10-percent-myth/
http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm
http://www.brainconnection.com/topics/?main=fa/brain-myth
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2109291&page=1
LOTS of research shows we use more than 10% of brains in daily tasks.
The rest is not on reserve - it's just not true.
EEG deserves mention as one of the first -- and still very useful -- ways of non-invasively observing human brain activity.
CAT (or CT) scanning is a process that combines many 2-dimensional x-ray images to generate cross-sections or 3-dimensional images of internal organs and body structures (including the brain).
PET scans allow one to observe blood flow or metabolism in any part of the brain.
In an MRI, the subject is placed on a moveable bed that is inserted into a giant circular magnet. MRI can produce very clear and detailed pictures of brain structures.
MEG is a new technology that measures the very faint magnetic fields that emanate from the head as a result of brain activity.
Additional info :
http://www.med.harvard.edu/AANLIB/home.html
I don't see any "normal" people stepping up to give 75% of their brain to science
for them to poke around in and mess with it because it's "extra" and they don't need it.
With 6 Billion brains on the plant that would be a lot of tissue for scientists to play with.
How about it then - first one to step up and have their skull cut in half, any takers ??
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/24/2007 11:19:39 PM |
How about it then - first one to step up and have their skull cut in half, any takers ??
I gave at the office. | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/25/2007 6:32:34 AM |
Not to post on this forum (kidding)
Regularly proven, sometimes by me.
I couldn’t link to the article, but I guess it’s about people with diminished physical brains functioning just fine. I’ve seen this. Also I’ve heard some severe epileptics have been helped by having physical links between the lateral lobes of their cerebral cortices severed. Please correct my take on the OP:
Since some humans have been shown to be functional with a significant portion of their brain mass missing, is it not likely that there is a storage system for the memories necessary to the species that does not depend on that physical mass?
First, death upon intentional removal of a physical section of an organ does not equate to the entirety of that physical mass being necessary for life. Cutting the front half off my truck will make the rear differential stop accelerating, but taking away all the rusty paint will slow nothing. Since there are successful cases of brain-excision, it is clear that the entire organ is not necessary for life, no? So I agree with that premise. However it would have to be proven that a reliably measurable amount of memories were lost with loss of a given percentage of the brain.
My spirit has not been conclusively shown to reside in my brain, nor my heart, nor anywhere else. Nobody knows how much more detailed or intricately subtextualized (I just made that up, according to Word™) your dreams or loves or passion may be before or after loss of some of your brain. That is, there are some aspects of the human experience, especially those you’re referring to in the OP, like memory, that are as yet unmeasurable, unquantifiable. These things can not be examined scientifically, so you can’t make connections between their necessary locations and tissue losses.
Nobody can say where our spirit is supposed to be, so finding it is not necessarily lost when a certain organ is diminished is not suggestive that it is anywhere else. That it may be an ‘ethereal internet’ is as supported by any logical argument as anything else supernatural and unfalsifiable. I would change my stance if you could show that what you define as our spirits must be in the brain if they are corporeal at all.
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Mr H2O
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/25/2007 9:28:18 AM | The word "function" needs looking at - those people are not "just fine" - they're damaged !!!
Man has excess capacity NOW that life is simple and we are not hunter gatherers.
Food is abundant, shelter is abundant, water is abundant, etc., etc.
Let's face it, life is pretty soft for us.
IF you were part of a aboriginal tribe that still exists in the world, even in 2007,
that person would not "function" - they would be dead.
a.) They could not function and survive as a SOLO human being.
b.) Without the tribal community taking care of that while the injury healed
-they would be dead.
c.) They would not be able to gather the resources needed to survive for the next 20-30 years of their lives.
We are still an animal - and function as one.
1.) Kidneys and liver filter toxins out of our environment.
Yes, you can drink water a lot more dirty than what comes out of your tap and survive
2.) Most office workers will never use all that lung capacity since they don't do a damn thing after work
except eat, watch television and remain in a sloth like state.
3.) Our brains have continued to GROW and not shrink throughout evolution.
Obviously all that extra mass enables us to think faster, more creatively, more intelligently than any of our ancestors.
Before people throw around words like "function", "just fine", "they're still okay",
think for a second what that truly means , as you sit comfortably at your pc.
Those people are no longer independent autonomous human beings,
able to do the things we do on an every day basis, they merely exist as a shell.
I don't want to be just a shell for a spirit - I want to create, build, evolve and grow ! | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/25/2007 9:37:48 AM | I think we call life forms without brains "plants" but it's suggested they even have minor traces of intelligence 
Oh, they are also known as "food" too | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/25/2007 11:08:31 AM |
Yes, we do. I think of the soul as a beam of light and the physical body as a prism. Without the prism, the light is invisible. Without the brain, the soul is invisible (the person can't think, act or possibly even live). Each color seperated out by the prism would represent a particular facet of our personality. Think of someone with a damaged brain as compared to a damaged prism, not all colors are displayed, the light is dimmed or the light doesn't pass through at all.
Here's the funny thing about the soul. I can hit someone in the head, cause brain damage, and that person's personality can change. If I hit someone in the foot, there is no brain damage, and no change in personality. This makes sense if the brain is the cause of personality. This makes no sense if the soul is the cause of personality. | |
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| Do we need a Brain?
Posted: 8/25/2007 6:35:08 PM | We've all heard of chopping a chickens head off and it can run around...but came across an article where the chicken lived for about two years...without a head. The owner fed and watered it by pouring food and water down the neck hole. He charged admission to people to actually see the "headless wonder".
Anyone ever see a movie called "The Resurrection of Zachary Wheeler"? Cloning a "brainless" body in order to harvest the organs. | |
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