| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 6:47:42 AM | Anyone hear of this???http://www.fixedearth.com/
I mean,come on,guys,give it up,Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler pretty much debunked the earth being the center of the universe,so what's the point here?
It does however raise an important theological question.If the earth isn't the center of the universe,and we are indeed just a tiny speck on the edge of a non nondescript galaxy, doesn't that rule out the religious idea that mankind is the crowning achievement of the Almighty.It sort of makes us non important.
According to the fixed earth people, the earth IS the center of the universe and ENTIRE universe,as they see it,is only half a light day in diameter.Guess they haven't heard of the Hubble telescope. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 6:58:21 AM | The Earth might be at the center of the Universe for some periods through the rotations of things...
I think it's yoga that sees the center as God.?. Some guy said something about us getting closer to God, using the Universe as an image, and I liked the thought...
Extrapolation is done by science to quite a degree...
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 7:09:41 AM | I do know some people who think they are the center of the universe.
There are still flat earth people andd so this is no suprise. Just like the anti evolution people These center of the universe people will bring out their so called experts to prove their point. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 1:23:55 PM | Theories are just that.
Scientists are constantly trying to reinvent the wheel (how else do you get published)
Where science is concerned...I want to see hard core irrefutable evidence.
Otherwise, I'll stick to the Word and faith. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 1:28:07 PM | These folks are into obvious nonsense, of course.
But I do think you're generalizing quite a bit. There's a number of religious people who are able to reconcile science with their beliefs. I think that this is a necessary step for a rational person to do, if they want to retain their beliefs.
You say:
If the earth isn't the center of the universe,and we are indeed just a tiny speck on the edge of a non nondescript galaxy, doesn't that rule out the religious idea that mankind is the crowning achievement of the Almighty. It sort of makes us non-important.
I don't think that this necessarily follows. Mankind may indeed not be the crowning achievement of the Almighty. There are probably lots of other species out there. Your implication, that this makes us unimportant, may not be true. Who is to say how wide God's attention span is, when we're still debating God's very existence.
I personally think that God pays attention to us, but allows us free will. But I'm tolerant, and realize that others may have differing opinions, and that's fine.
Whatever God is, (or isn't  ), our beliefs won't affect that. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 1:38:35 PM | | I wonder how law enforcement officers that believe in young earth creationism, can reconcile their use of Doppler radar. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 2:40:55 PM | | Lol - I almost didn't get that reference...until I realized that the doppler effect is also used to measure the size and motion of galaxies. It's like any other aspect of science when religion is involved: it's only valid when it agrees with the faith. When it disagrees, it's "bunk". | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 3:02:54 PM |
Theories are just that.
Scientists are constantly trying to reinvent the wheel (how else do you get published)
Where science is concerned...I want to see hard core irrefutable evidence.
Otherwise, I'll stick to the Word and faith.
You don't state whether you agree with the fixed earth people or not. Interesting that you demand proof and irrefutable evidence from scientists.You don't require the same thing from clergy and others of faith?
Mankind may indeed not be the crowning achievement of the Almighty. There are probably lots of other species out there. Your implication, that this makes us unimportant, may not be true. Who is to say how wide God's attention span is, when we're still debating God's very existence.
Good point,but virtually every major monotheistic religion,i.e. Christianity,Judaism and Islam, all place man in the position of being God's offspring,giving God the role of celestial father figure.In this scenario,the world we live on HAS to be the main focus of God's attention, if one is taking this scenario to heart especially if one takes scriptures literally.The Koran, for example says something to the effect about the world being flat and supported on the backs of elephants.
Why else did Galileo and Copernicus cause such a stir with the church when they presented the fact that the earth was NOT the center of the universe? | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 6:15:44 PM | On that note, "The Galaxy Song" last verse by Eric Idle:
Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
In all of the directions it can whiz;
As fast as it can go, that's the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 6:43:37 PM | | Religious zealots are happy with the fact that by using the concept of "God created Man" they are worth something. Otherwise, their personalities cannot cope without being the center of attention. That's sad but it's so true. Ever watch these folks? The loud mouthed Fundy's? Wherever they are, they're always vying to be the center of attention. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 8:23:18 PM | Has anybody heard of The Koreshans?
They believed that we lived in a hollow sphere.
http://koreshan.mwweb.org/kshs3.jpg
More information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreshan_Unity | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/29/2007 9:15:40 PM | FELFAT is a charming group. (THE FLAT EARTH LIBERATION FRONT AGAINST TELEVISION)
The original flat earth was confined, restricted, and twisted into a perverse spherical shape by a conspiracy of TELEVISION BROADCASTERS in an attempt to realize their dream of TOTAL HUMAN MIND CONTROL through subsurviant captive homogonized market share.
http://www.cca.org/woc/felfat/index.html
That group is a good example of "I don't believe otherwise until I see irrefutable evidence" | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/30/2007 8:06:06 AM |
Theories are just that.
Scientists are constantly trying to reinvent the wheel (how else do you get published)
Where science is concerned...I want to see hard core irrefutable evidence.
Otherwise, I'll stick to the Word and faith.
Wow talk about double standards. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/30/2007 8:12:56 AM |
You don't state whether you agree with the fixed earth people or not. Interesting that you demand proof and irrefutable evidence from scientists.You don't require the same thing from clergy and others of faith?
I didn't bother to read the theory.
I don't do theory and I don't do doctrine. And yes. Science is tangible. It requires "proof" that you can measure and test.
Can you measure faith and test it as well. I suppose, but bottom line. I don't really care about 'clergy and others of faith' I'm not responsible for their belief's only my own. I'm not responsible for making sure the ENTIRE universe beliefs everything I do.
Can we get real here. If you can't get an entire world to agree on how to raise children and whether or not corporal punishment should be used (or not) then you certainly will NEVER get the entire world to agree on religion.
Religion like child rearing should be nodded at politely and respected. You don't have to agree with the other person. You just can't go around beating people up because they believe (or don't) in God and that children should (or shouldn't ) be spanked.
What a monumental waste of time. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/30/2007 9:43:13 AM | Everyone has a brain whether they use it or not is up to them.
"It does however raise an important theological question.If the earth isn't the center of the universe,and we are indeed just a tiny speck on the edge of a non nondescript galaxy, doesn't that rule out the religious idea that mankind is the crowning achievement of the Almighty.It sort of makes us non important."
Just because the Earth isn't the center of the universe doesn't nessicarily mean its unimportant. You are implying center of the universe as in whatever is in the center is the most important thing. The center of the universe is just that the place it all started. One hypothesis is that the universe is expanding, so after the big bang everything drifted in their respective directions. So at one point in time we were at the center of the universe.
Besides the center isnt' always the best part, take an apple for instance when you eat an apple all the good stuff is the outside the center is seeds and not as tasty.
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/30/2007 9:52:51 AM | In space, motion is relative: you don't know your moving unless you compare your position to some other point. Thus, the concept that the universe revolves around the Earth- though silly- is not entirely unreasonable.
As for the Earth being the center: show me the edges of the universe, then I'll decide waht is or is not the middle. Honestly, these geocentric guys aren't doing all that much harm. Go after young-earthers and flat-earthers, those are the idiots that are doing the most damage. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/30/2007 9:56:04 AM | "Why else did Galileo and Copernicus cause such a stir with the church when they presented the fact that the earth was NOT the center of the universe?"
At this time the church was a major political player. They could get rid of kings if they wanted to. So the church being a political ruling power, beliefs started becoming more law (bad thing all around having the church political). So anyway you have these people acting as rulers and liking the power it brought. Now you have these scientists coming along and telling people the things you have been telling them as false. Basically the church was probably feeling threatened as a political power. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/30/2007 2:11:19 PM | I'm pretty sure it wasn't "Religion" that attacked anything... like all of the heads of every religion got together along with all of the spiritualists and formed a common consensus that Science should be attacked... again. More likely, it was a specific denomination of a specific brand of "Religion".
As for the idea that the "Earth" is the centre of the universe; obviously as a statement of concrete objective fact this doesn't hold water. However, the myths of Creation are not concrete objective fact and the minds that authored the stories didn't think that way.
Man is at the centre, more-or-less, because our beliefs regarding the universe are our beliefs. We are the authors of our *concept* of the universe. And from the human pov, what is the universe without human thought and conception? A whole lotta nothing?
As Man is the Measurer of all things, we are by default at the centre of that definition... whether we are religious or otherwise. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/30/2007 3:50:31 PM | | To the OP, please ignore the two behind the curtain, they require proof, wikipediea or not. Opinions should be that...........this isn't a damn debating society! If you believe in religion then so be it, if you are an an atheist......then so be it! Neither one cane prove their side, so here's a nice big cup of shut the f--- up! | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/30/2007 3:58:49 PM |
It does however raise an important theological question.If the earth isn't the center of the universe,and we are indeed just a tiny speck on the edge of a non nondescript galaxy, doesn't that rule out the religious idea that mankind is the crowning achievement of the Almighty.It sort of makes us non important.
I'd say not really at all. It's kind of silly to assume that something has to be at the center to be important.
To the OP, please ignore the two behind the curtain, they require proof, wikipediea or not. Opinions should be that...........this isn't a damn debating society! If you believe in religion then so be it, if you are an an atheist......then so be it! Neither one cane prove their side, so here's a nice big cup of shut the f--- up!
Wow thanks for sharing.
I'll post how I like while staying within the rules. | |
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| Religion attacks science...again
Posted: 8/30/2007 9:51:08 PM |
According to the fixed earth people, the earth IS the center of the universe and ENTIRE universe,as they see it,is only half a light day in diameter.Guess they haven't heard of the Hubble telescope. I don't know about center of universe, but the half light day is correct. Otherwise it wouldn't be dark at night. | |
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