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 MrBad_Kitty

Joined: 4/28/2007
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Posted: 9/20/2007 6:20:35 PM

U.S. Airport Screeners Are Watching What You Read
By Ryan Singel Email 09.20.07 | 2:00 AM

International travelers concerned about being labeled a terrorist or drug runner by secret Homeland Security algorithms may want to be careful what books they read on the plane. Newly revealed records show the government is storing such information for years.

Privacy advocates obtained database records showing that the government routinely records the race of people pulled aside for extra screening as they enter the country, along with cursory answers given to U.S. border inspectors about their purpose in traveling. In one case, the records note Electronic Frontier Foundation co-founder John Gilmore's choice of reading material, and worry over the number of small flashlights he'd packed for the trip.

The breadth of the information obtained by the Gilmore-funded Identity Project (using a Privacy Act request) shows the government's screening program at the border is actually a "surveillance dragnet," according to the group's spokesman Bill Scannell.

"There is so much sensitive information in the documents that it is clear that Homeland Security is not playing straight with the American people," Scannell said.

The documents show a tiny slice of the massive airline-record collection stored by the government, as well as the screening records mined for the controversial Department of Homeland Security passenger-rating system that assigns terrorist scores to travelers entering and leaving the country, including U.S. citizens.

The so-called Automated Targeting System scrutinizes every airline passenger entering or leaving the country using classified rules that tell agents which passengers to give extra screening to and which to deny entry or exit from the country.

The system relies on data ranging from the government's 700,000-name terrorism watchlist to data included in airline-travel database entries, known as Passenger Name Records, which airlines are required to submit to the government.

According to government descriptions, ATS mines data from intelligence, law enforcement and regulatory databases, looking for linkages in order to identify "high-risk" targets who may not already be on terrorist watchlists.

ATS was started in the late 1990s, but was little known until the government issued a notice about the system last fall. The government has subsequently modified the proposed rules for the system, shortening the length of time data is collected and allowing individuals to request some information used by the scoring system.

The government stores the PNRs for years and typically includes destinations, phone and e-mail contact information, meal requests, special health requests, payment information and frequent-flier numbers.

The Identity Project filed Privacy Act requests for five individuals to see the data stored on them by the government.

The requests revealed that the PNRs also included information on one requester's race, the phone numbers of overseas family members given to the airlines as emergency contact information, and a record of a purely European flight that had been booked overseas separately from an international itinerary, according to snippets of the documents shown to Wired News.

The request also revealed the screening system includes inspection notes from earlier border inspections.

One report about Gilmore notes: "PAX (passenger) has many small flashlights with pot leaves on them. He had a book entitled 'Drugs and Your Rights.'" Gilmore is an advocate for marijuana legalization.

Another inspection entry noted that Gilmore had "attended computer conference in Berlin and then traveled around Europe and Asia to visit friends. 100% baggage exam negative.... PAX is self employed 'Entrepreneur' in computer software business."

"They are noting people's race and they are writing down what people read," Scannell said.

It doesn't matter that Gilmore was reading a book about drugs, rather than Catcher in the Rye, according to Scannell. "A book is a book," Scannell said. "This is just plain wrong."

The documents have also turned Scannell against the Department of Homeland Security's proposal for screening airline passengers inside the United States.

That project, known as Secure Flight, will take watchlist screening out of the hands of airlines, by having the airlines send PNR data to the government ahead of each flight. While earlier versions included plans to rate passenger's threat level using data purchased from private companies, DHS now proposes only to compare data in the PNR against names on the watchlist, which largely disarmed civil libertarians' opposition to the program.

That's changed for Scannell now, who sees Secure Flight as just another version of ATS.

"They want people to get permission to travel," Scannell said. "They already instituted it for leaving and entering the country and now they want to do it to visit your Aunt Patty in Cleveland."

The Department of Homeland Security did not respond to a request for comment.

http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/09/flight_tracking


Sooo, next time I am on a flight, I should leave my copy of the Turner Diaries or Fahrenheit 451 at home? I feel safer, how about you?
 homeboy_66

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Posted: 9/20/2007 6:30:11 PM
pardon my "francais", but this is just too ****ED UP! lol! dear God!
 angler12

Joined: 8/12/2007
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Posted: 9/20/2007 6:41:57 PM
It's funny how the people who think that the gov't wants to know too much about us are the first ones willing to give them access to everyones medical records through gov't run health care.
 GreenEyesAndHam

Joined: 2/11/2005
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Thanks Homeland Security, for caring about my life.
Posted: 9/20/2007 6:58:07 PM
So, they should ignore someone carrying a book on bombmaking? How about ignoring someone returning back from the Afghanistan region with poppy residue* instead of marijuana leaves on flashlights?

GE&H
* Heroin comes from poppies and at least 85% of the world's heroin is from Afghanistan. It's being used to fund the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
 nipoleon

Joined: 12/27/2005
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Thanks Homeland Security, for caring about my life.
Posted: 9/21/2007 1:27:06 AM
I've been personally boycotting the airlines for over a decade for their lousy service.
Everyone knows terrorists don't know how to drive cars.
 homeboy_66

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Thanks Homeland Security, for caring about my life.
Posted: 9/21/2007 1:55:28 AM
forget cars, jet liner PLANES in massive high negative G's, mainly from a noise dive in an accelerating speeds of over 500km/hr. as told in the Pentagon "jet" crash, something almost no pilot can do....not even an astronaut. I guess, God did make him a "special" exception that pulled the near "impossible"?

either that, or there are pilots that can do this. But so far all the pilots that I seem to ask, or find either personally or on the web seem to say this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjQANnrRpdU

I welcome any pilots to contradict this guy.
 MrBad_Kitty

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Thanks Homeland Security, for caring about my life.
Posted: 9/21/2007 7:07:01 AM
It's sad to see our tax money go for these stupid false security plans.
 MayBlossom25

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Posted: 9/21/2007 7:52:21 AM
Yes I can see a real terrorist making themselves obvious by reading a book on how to bomb a plane. Because that's what they all do....its so simple its obvious! I feel so much safer now.
 taurus516

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Posted: 9/21/2007 8:13:55 AM
Yes,good ole' Homeland Security.Protecting your freedom and privacy by violating it.Kind of like committing rape to protect a woman's chastity.Makes about as much sense.
 legalboxers

Joined: 6/27/2006
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Posted: 9/22/2007 2:32:47 PM
Homeland Security (TSA) thought I was a f**king Al Queda by my looks..

gotta love these neocon freaks!
 specialfxgirl

Joined: 7/5/2005
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Posted: 9/22/2007 8:03:51 PM
not to mention everything you type here......................................
 dunrich

Joined: 5/13/2006
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Posted: 11/24/2007 6:06:45 AM
There are thousands of travellers every day on planes. In this day and age, of course all indicators are going to be looked at when it comes to security .

Your reading material is an indicator of your personality, whats wrong with that? Heck, all you conspiracy buffs, would be the first ones to "read' something into the reading material of another person. Reading material is a very valid indicator when profiling a persons frame of mind, personality.

Also a sign of something is wrong, not so much from the material, but how is the person reading it? A nervous person, pretending to read, might not ever change the page, training staff to notice such behaviour is very valid. An indicator, maybe not that they are terrorists, but that something is wrong, worth watching.

Heck, dont be such hypocrites will you? If a copy of a magazine called " Republican life" , was found in the wreckage of an airplane, I know for certain that all you conspiracy people would be the first to say, see" George caused this! Inside job"! He did it for the oil,lol!
 gottobeme

Joined: 4/2/2006
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Posted: 11/24/2007 4:22:03 PM
...when they put cuffs on this guy for reading a book kon growing pot, then i'll be concerned...but you know, it IS illegal to grow pot, and these people ARE law enforcement employees...it's their JOB to pay attention to exactly these sorts of things.
as someone who was at one time politically active in canada, i know i had a file because i had people i dealt with and politicians who quoted to me from it...most of it was public record, but you know, if you're going to be in the public eye, going to be a pain in the government's butt, you've got to expdect that you'll get some extra attention. i didn't particularly like it, but it was the price i paid for the freedom i had/have to contradict my government.
not only that, but other, non government organizations, such as the canadian jewish congress, had a file on me as i had once writtten something they didn't agree with - one of their people called my newspaper up to discuss the issue and, during the interview, startled me with the range of information he had.
it's the information age, kiddies, get ussed to it. i had lots of stuff on people i dealt with too. our laws are in place to prevent misuse of the information and, so far, they aren't working too badly....no one's arrested any of you left wingnuts here for your views, have they...
point made.
 gottobeme

Joined: 4/2/2006
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Posted: 11/24/2007 4:26:12 PM
...and before any of you get into it, my views are right of center, and i've been challenged by both conservative and liberal governments here for my views...so it isn't some awful ne0-con thing happening, can you please spare us that drivel on this thread...if anything, the left wing was far worse...
 Topgear1

Joined: 10/21/2007
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Posted: 11/24/2007 5:03:45 PM
I'm not really worried about!

I know without question that I'm under constant surveillance. Because I represent the worst threat know to the powers that be.

TRUTH!

It's the most fearful of all weapons.
 occamsrazor

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Posted: 11/24/2007 5:15:21 PM
So what. The FBI and CIA have been practicing domestic surveilance and
intelligence gathering for years. In a society as complex and
with as much potentially deadly technology laying around, and as many pathalogical angry nitwits and paranoid, disgruntled losers and wackaloons in residence, they
would be negligent not to.
Theres no such thing as total freedom, and part of the price we have to pay
for the freedom we have is vigilence against the crazies. If the airlines had been
doing some basic surveilance and precautionary profiling on 9/11, a lot of innocent people wouldnt have died. Maybe if someone had been looking over timothy
mcveighs shoulder as he sat enthralled with the turner diaries all those liitle kids
he murdered would still be with us.
 packleader

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Posted: 11/24/2007 5:24:06 PM
"They are noting people's race and they are writing down what people read," Scannell said."
Hmmmmm.......I flew from Phoenix,Az non-stop to Heathrow Airport,London in Sept. and came back in Oct and I`ll be dammed if anyone was looking over my shoulder checking out my reading matter.I could certainly see how they could racially profile people,but give me a break..........watching what people read.What are they saying....,are there hidden cameras installed in the airplanes tuned in to what everyone is fixated on{would this include male eyes popping out at the good looking stewardess`}

Pack
 GAUMS

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Posted: 11/24/2007 5:29:25 PM
Its a great idea.Profiling is the best way to catch a terrorist.The books you read can tell alot about a person.Besides,what do you have to hide?<img src=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_201.gif border=0>
See you demicoms later.
 GhostKnight007

Joined: 11/4/2007
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Posted: 11/24/2007 8:52:23 PM
God is late in coming.

So what we should all do is push for a national security chip to be implanted on all persons of every nation. It can be electronically tied to a persons credit to make shopping easy and will reduce unapproved terrorist attacks greatly.

America and Americans can be the first to line up for the chip for national security reasons, Ya know since we use the most credit and are so terrorized.
 MrBad_Kitty

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Posted: 11/24/2007 9:00:55 PM

America and Americans can be the first to line up for the chip for national security. Ya know since we use the most credit and are so terrorized.


though it makes me wonder why Americans are so placid about NSA spying on them. Besides, their job is to spy on foreigners, not Americans.
 Republiman

Joined: 10/15/2007
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Posted: 11/24/2007 9:28:23 PM
Um who cares, if you have nothing too hide why worry, the only folks who worry are those that have something too hide.......(peace out)
 drmmergy

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Posted: 11/24/2007 10:32:58 PM
These guys are about as inimitable as the stormtroopers from Star Wars.
I took a flight with a guy that worked for the feds. about 2 years before 9/11.He mentioned so many things to me as we were seated next to each other,that makes planes,trains and dirty bombs sound like a day at Disneyland.But don't worry they'll make sure your shoe's arrive with you, if you're destination is'nt completely gone before you land.Oh and a by the way.... Have a nice day
 cherrynibs

Joined: 11/5/2007
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Posted: 11/25/2007 12:02:59 AM
bunch of paranoid freakazoids. who really gives a toot. 1984. lookout. get on with your lives. no one really gives a crap if you are whacking off to a porn mag on video in the middle of the airport. it's not about you. you are just not that important. joe blow, however, with a little bit of plastique in his fillings, working on the special triggering mix of cheezies and cherry cola, is the one who should worry...

Merry Xmas
 AlienSecrets

Joined: 5/9/2007
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Posted: 11/25/2007 6:37:09 AM
It isn't those who have something to hide that are being targetted!!!

I drove across that border between Canuckville and Bushland 2 years ago. They held me at that border (the US patrol did) for almost 5 hours!!! why? Because I look like a hippy (I am a hippy! lol) and of course y'all know how much of a threat we long haired types are to 'homeland security'!!!
BTW - the candy in the machines at the crossings needs to be renewed! yuk pitouie!!

For now, I'm just grateful they didn't find my well hidden knitting needles or they'd have jailed me for planning to knit an Afghan! .. lmao knit an afghan! Meantime, I'm not crossing the border until 'they' get out of cartoonland with their Insecurity policies and into the real world.

Thank God for dirt bikes! Cross anywhere so long as you don't shop at a duty free!

Rant aside > It is much easier to control a mass of people when they are afraid. Don't let'em scare ya.

A.S.is
 acranger

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Posted: 11/25/2007 6:42:24 AM
Hippies tend to do things like smuggle pot across the border.

Ive known a ton of people who have done quite well running marijuana from BC down to Seattle.


If you dont want to get hassled, get a haircut, take the Grateful Dead sticker off car and wear some clothes that arent made of hemp once in a while,

but dont blame George Bush cause the customs agents are showing more scrutiny to a pothead.
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