| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/3/2007 12:22:00 PM | I find that bands like Poison and White Snake and several other bands that call themselves metal just don't seem to really be. There seem to be, imho, too many long haired, guitar banging bands that play whimpy "where is she", "I miss her" type songs yet still call themselves heavy metal.
Maybe such bands never heard of Black Sabbath, Motorhead, AC/DC, etc.
Do you agree with me or do you disagree? I'd love to know! | |
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Joined: 6/19/2007
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/3/2007 12:54:35 PM | | Imagine 'hair metal' the same as emo these days and how it affects the type of music it was born out of. Even though some of these long haired metal bands I find fantastic nowadays, it my opinion its the same scenario. Is some of it 'hard'? - sure but its not the same as Motorhead for example. | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/3/2007 1:56:36 PM | | If you are of the opinion, as I am, that "hard" rock implies aggressiveness at least sometimes bordering on genuine meanness or anger, then no, those hair bands are not "hard". | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/3/2007 8:00:28 PM | bands like whitesnake aren't metal, they're not even hard rock, they're just rock, if anything, "love" rock, does this mean they're bad? nope. I enjoy me some whitesnake.
And do not try avenged sevenfold. | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/4/2007 7:25:16 AM | | Scorpions can be found under heavy metal too. Blackout was a hard edged album but they went soft, way soft almost leaving the rock category all together. Twisted Sister, Black Sabbath, Quiet Riot, Accept, Motor Head, Motley Crue, WASP and Judas Priest can be considered headbanging metal but Metallica changed the rules on metal. Often, these artists change their style too so what used to be metal, now is only rock. | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/4/2007 11:47:23 AM |
Try some Avenged Sevenfold: Waken the Fallen.
I did, thanks, bought two songs from iTunes: "Unholy Confessions" and the more familiar "Bat Country".
I'm just saying that a lot of bands that call themselves metal and/or hard rock just don't seem like metal or hard rock to me.
I agree, and to me it is a clear difference between this "wall of sound" stuff and true hardcore rock. For me, the one hard rock band of all time, AC/DC, defined the genre and others seem to only approach that greatness with one or two awesome songs. By "true hardcore rock", I mean that they have phrases or beats of music not just all instruments on at all of the time creating this boring "wall of sound" effect. Sorry I'm not a musician so I cannot explain myself correctly but I hope you get the idea.
One of my favorite songs is "We're Not Going to Take it" by Twisted Sister because they combine that hardcore rock quality with the deep-seated rebellious feeling that must have helped fuel the American Revolution. Teachers should play that song in history classes to give the kids something they can understand. | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/4/2007 1:03:25 PM | | Getting everyone to agree here would be nearly impossible because we all have different definitions of "rock", "hard rock", etc. For me personally, I don't use the term "hard" unless there's a certain amount of what seems to be genuine negative emotional energy delivered, maybe some kind of "hmm, something could really go wrong here" in the sonic atmosphere, etc. "We're Not Going to Take it" by Twisted Sister is definitely rock, but I wouldn't personally call it "hard" or "hardcore" because the emotional delivery sounds much more celebratory than angry, to me at least. | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/4/2007 2:52:25 PM | Like MrGuyCaballero said, not everyone is going to agree on the topic... The definition of many styles of music has actually changed quite a lot over the years and there are so many sub-genres of metal now that it just confuses me. To me, a band like In Flames would be metal but Whitesnake...not so much. A lot of it has to do with appearance as well; I mean the way a band physically looks. Which is a bit unfortunate, when you think about it.
On a side note, I bought the Dethklok release "Dethalbum" the other day. It totally made my day. | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/4/2007 4:34:14 PM |
"We're Not Going to Take it" by Twisted Sister is definitely rock, but I wouldn't personally call it "hard" or "hardcore" because the emotional delivery sounds much more celebratory than angry, to me at least.
Yes, I agree that the song is celebratory, we rebelled and we won the rebellion, and the song is rejoicing in that victory. So to you it's not "hard rock", to me it is. As long as we enjoy our music, it's all good, eh? Cheers! | |
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Joined: 9/26/2007
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/4/2007 4:55:35 PM | | I would have to say that one of the bands that really defined heavy metal is Iron Maiden. Although Black Sabbath was around before, Maiden refined it and brought it to a higher level. Many "metal" bands today, even Metallica cite Iron Maiden as one of their influences. This is somewhat of a double-edged sword, as Maiden also commercialized heavy metal to a great extent. What better product rep in metal is there than Eddy ? | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/4/2007 6:28:52 PM | I may have Sold MY Soul ....
KISS - I wanna rock n roll all night and party every day...? Amazingly talented musicians. An old song by a band that became totally commercialized.
I don't think it has anything to do with a look. AC/DC sure don't look like Twisted Sister or Black Sabbath. I may not like Iron Maiden but there is no doubt the music is metal.
Just because a singer throws his hair around or the guitarist plays some funky looking guitar doesn't mean the band should be put in the same musical category as bands like Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Sabbath, Twisted Sister.
I never cared for Nirvana, but they have (had) a more hard rock/metal sound than bands like Poison or White Snake and plenty of others. | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/5/2007 8:01:00 AM | | Nirvana was a product of the confused 90's era where "depression music" became popular. It may be grungy but moody. The 70's and 80's were the last decades of true heavy rock with talent. | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/5/2007 2:22:27 PM | twisted sister hard they great but its cheese guns an roses whitesnake all of the big hair cheese rock. its fantastic, but very diff from the metal like maiden or motorhead, or the harder stuff like slayer antrax, my son loves new hard bands like in flames,atreyu,bullet for my valentine,
but at the end of the day i dont really care i love it all, hard rock, soft rock, prog,big hair, metal or trash its all good punk is cool,
the best thing about rock so much music under one huge unbrella it great,
peace out  | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/5/2007 7:46:38 PM | | Number 1,comparing "metal" from then and "metal" from now is like comparing apples with oranges,number2, most of the hair bands never called themselves metal in the first place,record companies did that in an effort to wring money out of a trend,the same as they always do.As for Whitesnake,Mr.Coverdale was a blues/rock singer in 1974 when he joined Deep Purple,he was one when he started Whitesnake almosy a decade before ''Still of the Night" and he's one now,and a damn good one. | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/7/2007 8:40:02 AM | check out a newer band, called The Sword.
they are amazing! and metal.
remind me of Black Sabbath and those older bands.
no girls... just Norse mythology and such.  | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/7/2007 6:47:37 PM | Believe me people there's plenty of excellent hard rock / metal for you to enjoy. You guys just have to outside of the dumb-ed down, boring, annoying, talent-less hardcore / grindcore / crapcore bands that are considered metal these days in North America.
Do yourselves a favour and check out these:
Nightwish, Children of Bodom, Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, Wintersun, Thunderstone (all from Finland - true metal capital of the world)
Kamelot, Symphony X, Dream Theater (US bands actually)
Dragonforce (England but multicultural)
Heavenly (France)
Epica (Dutch)
Rhapsody of Fire (Italy)
Angra (Brazil)
Dark Moor (Spain)
Dimmu Borgir, Satyricon (Norway)
Hammerfall, Nocturnal Rites (Sweden)
Firewind (Greece)
....and there's lots more to discover.
Don't get me wrong, I still listen to the classics like Guns N' Roses, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, (old) Metallica, AC/DC, Pantera, Slayer, Sabbath, Ozzy etc. But I don't have to suffer through Slipknot, Korn, and other OzzFest regulars these days just so I can say I listen to metal.
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/8/2007 1:41:34 PM | That's why I have smoke alarms, duh?!  Plus, I have yet to install a neon cross on the rooftop.
Yeah I'm not too big into Black Metal - to me music is far more important than lyrics... and the whole Satanist / Anti-Christian thing is kinda lame. But that's just me... some people are into that I guess. But I do like some Dimmu and Satyricon... (black n' roll I guess) | |
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| Metal/Hard Rock bands But Are They Really
Posted: 10/8/2007 4:41:51 PM | | Manowar (oh wait it's ManOwaR right) is the ony band that is TOO loud to the point of actually being somewhat painful. Or maybe it was because the venue was too small - either way I think they actually bragg about it. | |
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