| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 1:34:56 AM | | Every so often I actually love a law our govt enacts. The new law in Cali where adults are fined for smoking in car with anyone under 18 in car is a winner. I remember when I was a kid and had to drive in car with adults that smoke. You as a child, are a victim. I used to complain to no avail. Lets protect the kids. It is the epitome of selfishness that adults subject kids to second hand smoke. I value my health greatly and kids that are subjected to this are behind the eight ball right away. Luckily , it was rare that I was subjected to this when I was younger. Its child abuse none the less. I think though it should be a criminal offense not just a hundred dollar fine. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 2:15:40 AM | Other than the fact it is unconstitutional. Listen, my car is my car. If I feel like smoking in my car, I will smoke in my car. What next? Not being allowed to smoke in your own house?
Many Medical Studies dispute effects of second hand smoke. Would you care to look at those also or do you insist that your agenda is some witch hunt on simple rights of an American to smoke or not? To call smoking in a car Child Abuse is just plain Absurd.
What I call Child Abuse is parents who don't teach Modesty, Integrity, Honor, Love of America, Loyalty. ... stopping them from learning to be competitive by banning fun games like dodge ball...
This is one of the dumbest laws I ever heard of. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 2:46:46 AM |
Many Medical Studies dispute effects of second hand smoke. Would you care to look at those also or do you insist that your agenda is some witch hunt on simple rights of an American to smoke or not? To call smoking in a car Child Abuse is just plain Absurd.
A lot of them by the same organizations that used to claim that smoking didn't cause cancer. But hey, take it up with these guys...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking#Current_state_of_scientific_opinion
The link between passive smoking and health risks is accepted by every major medical and scientific organization, including:
The World Health Organization[76]
The U.S. National Institutes of Health[77]
The Centers for Disease Control[78]
The United States Surgeon General[79]
The U.S. National Cancer Institute[80]
The United States Environmental Protection Agency[81]
The California Environmental Protection Agency[3]
The American Heart Association,[82] American Lung Association,[83] and American Cancer Society[84]
The American Medical Association[85]
The American Academy of Pediatrics[86]
The Australian National Health and Medical Research Council[87]
The United Kingdom Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health[88]
The governments of 151 nations have signed and ratified the World Health Organization Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, which states that "Parties recognize that scientific evidence has unequivocally established that exposure to tobacco smoke causes death, disease and disability."[89]
Why so defensive Longbow, smoke with your kids in the car? Don't be defensive, my mom did too, she didn't know better. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 3:05:27 AM | | It is not unconstitutional. I mean think about it . What is really worse smoking pot alone in your house or smoking in a car where kids are subjected to that poison and are ignored by their parents to stop???? If we can make laws outlawing drugs like pot in someones personal abode than to make smoking in car with minors illegal is certainly ok by me. By the way, what does playing dodgeball , competively, have to do with this thread ? LMAOOOOOOOOOOO | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 3:20:49 AM | You and Charles make good valid points. I myself do NOT smoke around kids because I think it is a bad 'role model' thing. Damn L... You got me on the Pot alone in the house vs the smoking in a car with a kid in it.
I also forget I'm in Virginia and the windows are always down where as Charles in Edmonton (I know winter, 12 years of 200 inches of snow every winter) has the windows up.
I think the law might be a good one for ventilation purposes alone.
Plus when I am at a stop light? Ever look to the side of the road and see all those cigarette butts? Even as a smoker, it aggravates me when someone in front of me flicks a smoke onto the road like it doesn't count as littering.
Tough question for y'all. Would you extend it to safety for others as in no hand held cell phones and eating and drinking and shaving etc? Different danger of course but these activities lead to many accidents and injuries.
Dodgeball etc? Well, it seemed to fit well at first. I think it was about taking choice away from parents to the point of Socialism. I think a parent should have the right to insure his / her kid excels. Part of it is not smoking in front of them. Part of it is teaching them to be competitive which many Sociologists have insisted be stopped. It does fold together in my mind as in many ways, govt is taking away the right of a parent to help his / her child excell. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 3:24:34 AM |
Tough question for y'all. Would you extend it to safety for others as in no hand held cell phones and eating and drinking and shaving etc? Different danger of course but these activities lead to many accidents and injuries.
Actually a lot of cities don't allow the use of cell phones while driving. Simply because they cause so many accidents.
Dodgeball etc? Well, it seemed to fit well at first. I think it was about taking choice away from parents to the point of Socialism. I think a parent should have the right to insure his / her kid excels. Part of it is not smoking in front of them. Part of it is teaching them to be competitive which many Sociologists have insisted be stopped. It does fold together in my mind as in many ways, govt is taking away the right of a parent to help his / her child excell.
You'd call me a socialist (I'm not). But I love dodgeball. It's a really broad generalization. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 3:26:05 AM | Hey Charles,
I'll debate 4 of those organizations weighing in on the isue but it is irrelevant. You two made a good enough point that I don't need to go look at your link.
A nice job pulling that up (the list) by the way.
I smoke in my car when the kids aren't in it. Maybe I was thinking a bit defensive. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 3:41:29 AM | | I started a thread about smokers littering while driving lol. I believe smokers should just quit but thats their business . Just do not make it your kids business and give them a break. I still will never understand why people still start smoking at a young age , when all the info about its detriment is out there..... but thats yet another thread. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 3:54:31 AM | Good! These dirtbag parents are wrecking the health of their children (and others) without a second thought. If they're too selfish/dumb to do the right thing and not smoke around their children, then the government ought to step in. Alcoholics and heroin addicts lose their kids everyday for jeopardizing them, I think it ought to be the same way with smokers.
Something I've noticed about smokers which I haven't with other addicts is the zeal with which they defend and justify their addiction related behavior. It appears that literally NOTHING is more sacred to them than getting that cig (not their families, their health, their appearance, the list goes on and on). | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 6:29:01 AM | My sister-in-law smokes in the house and the car around her kids. The kids STINK. I can hardly stand to be around them since they smell like her smoke. Blech. Think about their school mates having to smell them all day. It's not fair.
Plus, the kids always sound like their nasal passages are plugged up. That's how mine get when I'm around smoke, but thank God I'm around smoke minimally - BY CHOICE. These poor kids have no choice.
Is that any way to treat your own flesh and blood? PLEASE smoke away from them!!
Another hazard of smoking in the car is when you go to litter outside, but the butt flies back in and hits someone or something in the back seat.
Please put your kids health and safety above your bad habit. PLEASE. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 6:53:05 AM | | What people do in thier car or home is thier bussiness and no one has a right to tell them what they can or cant do. when you have people telling people what they can or cant do it turns into a dicatorship and i for one am getting dam tired of people telling me what i can and cant do. if i want to walk around the house naked all the time its my house and not you or any one has any right to say anything about it corase the draps are drawn. if i want to smoke it my house when you a==holes start making the payment than you might have a say so. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 6:56:41 AM |
Not being allowed to smoke in your own house? To want to smoke around children is selfish and abusive. It is child abuse. It is like putting poison in their milk. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 7:17:50 AM | As an occasional smoker (Blackstone Cherry Cigars) , I actually agree with such laws. Smoking is a personal choice, like politics or religion. 
One has the right to do it, but also the responsibility not to negatively effect others while doing so. It's simple compassion and empathy for other people that's involved, not any civil rights issue.
Actually, it's rather sad that it even requires a law, isn't it ? | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 8:13:00 AM | Other than the fact it is unconstitutional. Listen, my car is my car. If I feel like smoking in my car, I will smoke in my car. What next? Not being allowed to smoke in your own house?
Despite this lofty treatise on Constitutional Law, the US Constitution and the laws enacted afterwards (all of which comprise that law) restrict your rights all the time.
Maybe you'd like to murder someone? After all, it's part of your freedom of expression, right? Damn - - - you'll wind up in jail if you do.
And how about those kids anyway? They're yours after all. You should be able to do what you want with them, right? Beat 'em up if they don't toe the line. Damn - - - you'll wind up in jail if you do.
Many Medical Studies dispute effects of second hand smoke. Would you care to look at those also or do you insist that your agenda is some witch hunt on simple rights of an American to smoke or not? To call smoking in a car Child Abuse is just plain Absurd.
Oh Lord, you're kidding me, right?
Increasingly medical studies are showing that people who live in the house with a smoker have increased risk of cancer, heart disease and respiratory ailments. I should know, since I fall into that third category.
The effects of environmental pollutants are the worst on children because their cells are growing.
If you want, I'd be happy to provide you with one or 100 medical journal references. In fact, if you look at some of the older threads on smoking, I've done just that.
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 11:08:38 AM | I'm a smoker but I do not smoke around children or really around non smokers. Like someone said above its a personal choice to do so, and you really do not need to share it with those that do not choose to do so.
And I don't care what study say's its not bad for you, it is.
Oh and I don't throw my butts out the window either, too easy to start a fire that way. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 11:31:48 AM |
What people do in thier car or home is thier bussiness and no one has a right to tell them what they can or cant do.
So you believe your right to smoke outweighs the rights of your children and grandchildren to be healthy? | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 11:57:27 AM | Unless you value the tyranny of the state(or a privilaged group) more than the liberty of the individual, you ought to be outraged at any such government act! Unfortunately people nowdays are so narrow minded they only see things in terms of how it effects them personally. You don't like smoking or didn't when you were a kid riding in a car, then it's OK if someone's jackboot steps on your neigbors head! Nevermind that man behind the curtain or those fellows in brownshits tossing bricks through Wienstiein's glass display windows. It's OK, it's just those dirty Jews gouging us on the sausage. They had it coming.
Shame on you or anyone else who promotes such laws. Shame on anyone like that who calls themself a liberal. Read a history book sometime. Hurrah for those of us who have contempt for them. Hurrah for liberty! Hurrah for live and let live!
How about this? This is America right? How about you can live your own life in freedom, and the goverment stays the heck out of your car, your house, your family's lives, your gun cabinet, your bed, or for that matter places where you're paying money to be.
Or is that asking too much?
D. Jolly | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 12:06:11 PM | ^ So that being said, it means that there is no such thing as "freedom and democracy" in the United States of America at all, right?
Then....
Why try to promote such type of societies on other nations? | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 12:15:12 PM | Criminal offense ???? ~~ see! you got some good going for you and now you are King Kong
It Radical and Zealots dance in the end zone time.
So what crime is peeping toms ~ or pany sniffers ~ or parking on the wrong side of the rode?
Do you understand the full implications of Law?
You have been assimilated by the Borg ~ Resistance is Fu-Tile. It for the collective good. | |
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Hoop
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 12:27:24 PM |
Increasingly medical studies are showing that people who live in the house with a smoker have increased risk of cancer, heart disease and respiratory ailments. I should know, since I fall into that third category.
I don't buy this crap for a second.
Couldn't be the shit people are huffing from forced air units in the home and in the car could it?
Where's the study on this factor?
I want to see the data, side by side, (verifiable)
Or is it not a factor, and if not, why the hell not?
Nobody to tax? Nobody to vilify and punish?
Anti-smoking Nazis get on one of my last nerves, get laid on a regular basis for chrissake, would you? | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 12:34:37 PM |
Unless you value the tyranny of the state(or a privilaged group) more than the liberty of the individual
Actually, this law is about the liberty of the individual, which is the child. Each child should have the right to not suffer because of bad choices made by an adult. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 12:53:01 PM | | ok, I finally quit smoking , after about 40 years. I knew it was bad, hell it said so right on the pack for the last 40 years!... But I dislike the liberals and conservatives who want to legislate every aspeck of our lives. I see so many of the anti smokers who are feeding themselves and there kids crap that is probable even worse than being around smoke. Eating meat does contribute to cancer, and all those fat kids with diabeties are going to have a much worse life for much longer than those who die from smoking in there 60's or 70's........put out your smoke, go eat a well cooked stake and die young and fat................. what ever.............good luck | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 12:58:27 PM | You're jerking my heart strings!
All anti-smoking nazis.. do you ever use your common sense and research BACK.. way back to before there was forced air heating, before your food and water supplies were compromised.
Do you even KNOW what the hell is in your food?
Never mind that, you don't have any IDEA where your food even comes from!
And you're worried about kids smelling cigarette smoke?
I wouldn't let any of the ' God Clubs' listed below light my cigarette!
Take the covers off your registers, lick your hand and stick it in there and rub the interior of the vent real good, then take your hand out and lick it clean.
What.. you wouldn't do that?
Well you SNORT it everytime the heat or air is running don't you??
The World Health Organization[76]
The U.S. National Institutes of Health[77]
The Centers for Disease Control[78]
The United States Surgeon General[79]
The U.S. National Cancer Institute[80]
The United States Environmental Protection Agency[81]
The California Environmental Protection Agency[3]
The American Heart Association,[82] American Lung Association,[83] and American Cancer Society[84]
The American Medical Association[85]
The American Academy of Pediatrics[86]
The Australian National Health and Medical Research Council[87]
The United Kingdom Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health[88]
The governments of 151 nations have signed and ratified the World Health Organization Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, which states that "Parties recognize that scientific evidence has unequivocally established that exposure to tobacco smoke causes death, disease and disability."[89]
"unequivocally " my ass.  | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 1:07:31 PM |
The kids STINK. I can hardly stand to be around them since they smell like her smoke. Blech.
That's just sad....really sad. Maybe you shouldn't be around kids, with that kind of attitude. What if one of 'em...well....tooted !
Would ya shoot 'em ? | |
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