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Posted: 10/14/2007 7:41:51 PM | What is your opinion on psychic ability? Have you ever had a psychic experience? Do you think we all have it or not? If you have, what happened? Some people go to psychics for predictions on their love lives, what do you think of that? Are you aware that the police use psychics on a regular basis but do not advertise it?  | |
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mak68
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Posted: 10/14/2007 8:05:20 PM |
What is your opinion on psychic ability?
No evidence to support it's validity.
Have you ever had a psychic experience?
No.
Do you think we all have it or not?
No.
Some people go to psychics for predictions on their love lives, what do you think of that?
I think people should be able to deal with their love lives without needing special help, or someone else telling them how to conduct it.
Are you aware that the police use psychics on a regular basis but do not advertise it?
How are we supposed to be aware of it if it's not being advertised?
Here is a link that has a survey of police officers in regard to psychics:
http://www.pac-c.org/police%20&%20psychics.htm
Interesting:
9. Was any of the information given by the psychic useful in solving the investigation?
Responses: Yes-9 (13.5%);**** No-33 (50%); Maybe-24 (36.5%).
10. Would the case have been solved without the assistance of the psychic?
Responses: Yes-33 (51%); No-0 (0%); Unknown-32 (49%).
Not too good for the psychics.
Here is an article, one of many that has a differing view than the popular "psychic detective".
from here:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_2_29/ai_n13628912
Charles Capel was last seen alive May 20, 2004, the night before he wandered away from his home in Oxford Township in rural Butler County, Ohio. The retired university professor, who suffered from Alzheimer's, could not be found despite repeated searches by police and volunteers. In October, frustrated by a lack of leads, Oxford police enlisted self-proclaimed psychic detective Noreen Renier in the search. For a $650 taxpayer-funded fee, she described the area where Capel would be found. Acting on Renier's information, police renewed the search but still found nothing. Weeks and months dragged on without a break in the case until December 1, when Capel's body was discovered less than a mile from his home, in an area the police apparently missed. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2007 8:05:36 PM | I know many. And you probably walk by them on the street.
But for those I know it is EXPRESSLY forbidden to profit in any way. If they do they are 'self' centred and are thereby cut off.
I dont like the whole industry. There are too many charlatons. Those who can see...cant say.
This has come up before. Can you imagine anyone PAYING you if what you see is the death of one of your children in 3 years? Or how about they see you embezzling at your work place? That your wife is having sex with the postman? That you will die in fear and agony?
Rather, we have tall dark strangers, somone who starts with the letter M and something good coming, and something to watch out for and....
Its all very predictable. People go to psychics for answers on matters of LOVE or MONEY or HEALTH or FEAR. Usually love money or health. They rarely use them when everything is just hunky dory.
You mentioned police using them. Thats a little diifferent to a paid industry. Thats empaths and seers. A higher form of logic and perception. Very akin to advanced psychology with an extra nose. But NOT for profit.
Believe a commercial psychic? Not in a pink fit. They generally take one look at me and either pee their pants or get offensive. Or both.
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Posted: 10/14/2007 9:26:39 PM | One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
Proper double-blind tests of any ability need to be done.
Many, many powers are quite imaginary on the part of the psychics,
and no one should give any of them a dime for outright lies.
One of my favorite sites on the web
http://physics.syr.edu/courses/modules/PSEUDO/pseudo_main.html | |
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Posted: 10/14/2007 9:45:14 PM | http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
Seems to me they are more interested in debunking published ones?
It isnt open to anyone else at all...
12. This offer is not open to any and all persons. Before being considered as an applicant, the person applying must satisfy two conditions: First, he/she must have a “media presence,” which means having been published, written about, or known to the media in regard to his/her claimed abilities or powers. This can be established by producing articles, videos, books, or other published material that specifically addresses the person’s abilities. Second, he/she must produce at least one signed document from an academic who has witnessed the powers or abilities of the person, and will validate that these powers or abilities have been verified..
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Posted: 10/15/2007 1:56:59 AM | @ Mr H2O,
I'd rather people think me a lying fool, than prove I have any power. To prove such a thing a would be dangerous. The truly powerful, would not allow themselfs to become pawns of the powerless, if they even exist at all. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 3:27:55 AM |
Seems to me they are more interested in debunking published ones?
It isnt open to anyone else at all...
It is most likely to weed out every self-proclaimed psychic "off the street". Apparently they used to get deluged by mail and emails from every Tom,**** and Harry "psychic". This way, the applicant has somewhat more credibility and can be taken more seriously. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 3:40:21 AM | They added that requirement because they were FLOODED with people making claims and it being dismissed.
Anybody who believes in psychics needs to do some studying into "Cold Reading" look it up. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 6:40:01 AM | Yes
I do it myself...
I don't charge people for it... that would be unethical
I don't bother with people who want to know about their love life
There are many different forms of sensitivity... intuition is one.
I don't care about the studies...and I can ALWAYS find a parking spot! | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 7:49:50 AM | ^^ and many different areas and levels and what comes to one does not to another etc
It would be like saying all christians are the same
And I think we have been there 
You will also find many many people to whom it is natural, simply dont know that others dont see/perceive things. They always have and so they assume everyone else does too.
Its only when they realise they are somhow 'out of the ordinary' that the world stops being a confounding and confusing place.
Should they question breath? Its always been there. And so they dont even know that what they have, is different to some others.
Nobody I know advertises the fact, although in some places and countries its normal conversation like baseball is in the US. Its quite accepted that some are...and some are not. Still a part of every day life...without all the hoopla. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 9:08:25 AM |
I know many. And you probably walk by them on the street.
But for those I know it is EXPRESSLY forbidden to profit in any way. If they do they are 'self' centred and are thereby cut off.
Is that what supposed psychics say these days when asked why they don't win lotteries? | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 9:27:25 AM | | ^^^^ So true. Why not win the lottery using "psychic" abilities and donate all the winnings to charities? No profit, and you make the world a better place. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 9:56:36 AM | What is your opinion on psychic ability? it's unexplained, but science is working to define it
Have you ever had a psychic experience? yes
Do you think we all have it or not? yes, but some have better skills then others
If you have, what happened? the ability to remote view
Some people go to psychics for predictions on their love lives, what do you think of that? waiste of mad skills
Are you aware that the police use psychics on a regular basis but do not advertise it? yes
Is that what supposed psychics say these days when asked why they don't win lotteries?
that is what some feel is a moral code. Like being able to heal people and only accepting what the client can afford to pay. IMHO, i have never subscribed to this dogma. Michael Jordan has natural talent and he profits off it, why not me?
To clarify your misconceptions, not all psychics can predict the future. That skill is called Clairvoyance, not all psychics have this ability. It would be like saying ALL runners have fast-twitch muscles. Additionally, lotto numbers are difficult at best to detect because numbers can look like other numbers depending on the situation, areas are easier to look at.
For example: a 1 can look like a 7 / 2 can look like a 5 / 8 can look like a 3 / a 9 can look like a 6, etc etc. Then there is the 3 number barrier. Most remote viewers that have tried to look into the future to discover lotto numbers can't seem to get past the 3rd number. it's almost like the difficulty curve shoots straight up past the 3rd number.
I myself have tried using remote viewing to discover the pick 3 numbers. This is where you pick numbers 0 - 9, and you pick 3 of them. According to experts it takes about 10 or so tries for this to work. I have a 66.7% accuracy and I'm working on my 5th attempt, time permitting.
Although, skeptics would disagree, I have seen people make a living off picking the pick 3 numbers. These psychics have quit their jobs and obtain the pick 3 numbers when they need them for cash. Walking away with a free $700 check (for 30 minutes worth of work), convinces them it works, and can care less what the skeptics think
There's a reason why we have the scientific method and why wanna be psychic's avoid it like the plague.
The Parapsychology Dept at Duke, Stanford Research Institute and Princeton University have studied remote viewing, so I'm sure professors have used it once or twice.
Additionally, I used the scientific method during my experiments and can produce documents proving my 67.7% accuracy :p Right now, its an inductive science working towards become deductive. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 10:12:32 AM | I think our uber technologocally advanced lives with overtime at work,
lack of sleep, families , etc. etc. that we may have lost some intuitive "feel" .
I won't totally dismiss 6.5 Billion humans on the earth and say that not one
of them has never had a "feeling" about an event, a person or a place.
Kundalini, Chi, Prana, Ki, Chakras, Qigong, Yin Yang, Life Force call it what you will,
- perhaps science still has much to discover, detect and learn.
I don't believe some higher power individually controls the lives people here on planet earth.
I won't pray to any entity, being, person, etc.
But hey, that's just me. Each person makes a conscious choice for themselves.
I do believe we are all capable of thinking for ourselves.
We are little electo-chemical fuel cells and our brains are connected to our bodies.
What we think and how we think, whether it be haphazard/random
or focused/directed is a choice we all make in our lives everyday.
We can control our emotions, our fears, and our actions.
Believing in ones self , self confidence, self discovery of the individual is possible.
Some do it thru meditation, not moving any extremities.
Others may choose yoga, tai chi, chanting, biofeedback, etc., etc.
I would rather donate money to a research facility doing double blind tests
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Posted: 10/15/2007 1:31:16 PM | Totally believe as things have happened in my life to verify my questions about the subject. Not everyone can have any form of phychic ability because they simply don't believe, don't want to accept it.
Sure there are people who should not be making claims to their abilities,
as it is in every field, be it professional or as a sideline, or whatever.
Do you believe in doctors of medicine? Seems like a silly question. Rather the question "Do you believe all doctors of medicine should be practicing" is a better question, yes?
One rotten apple can spoil the bushel.
Just the other day I teleported thoughts, suggestions, to someone... they did as I requested. But then fate put her finger in the pot and stirred it up anyway. So, no matter what good intentions one might have, fate may backfire on you. | |
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| Psychic Ability...Are U a Believer?
Posted: 10/15/2007 3:31:19 PM | msg 15:
What is your opinion on psychic ability? it's unexplained, but science is working to define it
BS. Science isn't "working to define it", total codswollop. No psychic ability has ever been proven to exist by science. How can science "work to define something" that hasn't been proven?
To clarify your misconceptions, not all psychics can predict the future. That skill is called Clairvoyance, not all psychics have this ability.
There was no misconception, we know that SOME psychics claim to predict the future, those are the ones we are referring to.
I myself have tried using remote viewing to discover the pick 3 numbers. This is where you pick numbers 0 - 9, and you pick 3 of them. According to experts it takes about 10 or so tries for this to work. I have a 66.7% accuracy and I'm working on my 5th attempt, time permitting.
Great, please describe in detail your test and it's protocols. What percentage have you afforded to chance guesses?
These psychics have quit their jobs and obtain the pick 3 numbers when they need them for cash. Walking away with a free $700 check (for 30 minutes worth of work), convinces them it works, and can care less what the skeptics think
Which lottery commission? If these guys are doing this on a regular basis, their names should show up regularly on winners lists of lotto commissions.
The Parapsychology Dept at Duke, Stanford Research Institute and Princeton University have studied remote viewing, so I'm sure professors have used it once or twice.
Evidence? Link?
Additionally, I used the scientific method during my experiments and can produce documents proving my 67.7% accuracy :p Right now, its an inductive science working towards become deductive. Explain in detail how these experiments are conducted, all procedure and protocol. Show us these documents. Evidence.
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I think our uber technologocally advanced lives with overtime at work,
lack of sleep, families , etc. etc. that we may have lost some intuitive "feel" ..
I agree. Intuition is the ability to know something without reasoning. I think when man was still a hunter/gatherer, he was more attuned to his surroundings, sight, hearing, smell. This would help to acheive a successful hunt, and thus survival. This amplification of the physical senses may be something that still remains in humans, and pops up from time to time. Some may mistake it for "psychic" ability. If you always seem to find a parking spot, could be a more attuned sense of peripheral vision, after all, you are HUNTING for that parking spot...
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Just the other day I teleported thoughts, suggestions, to someone... they did as I requested.
So you have telepathic mind control?
Make me post what colour of socks I'm wearing. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 4:20:07 PM |
BS. Science isn't "working to define it", total codswollop. No psychic ability has ever been proven to exist by science. How can science "work to define something" that hasn't been proven?
Any university has links to Scientific Journals - simply do a search. The Parapsychology field has numerous journals. Here are some names, schools and journal articles written on the subject of prediction.
Raia, Courtenay Grean, History Department, UCLA, Westwood, CA, US
Mack, June, University of Alabama, Birmingham, AL, US
Powell, Larry, University of Alabama, Birmingham, AL, US - Perceptions of Non-Local Communication: Incidences Associated with Media Consumption and Individual Differences.
Broughton, Richard S., School of Behavioural Studies, University College Northampton, Northampton, Great Britain, - Review of The Stargate chronicles.
Storm, Lance, Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit, Department of Psychology, University of Adelaide, SA, Australia, - Remote viewing by committee: RV using a multiple agent/multiple percipient design
Mind you, I found multiple articles using EBSCO Host Research data Base,PsycINFO, Psychiatry Online and Social Sciences Full Text (Wilson). There are many more articles, i just snagged a few.
There was no misconception, we know that SOME psychics claim to predict the future, those are the ones we are referring to.
SOME doesn't equal ALL.
Great, please describe in detail your test and it's protocols. What percentage have you afforded to chance guesses?
Thought you would never ask: (here it is in a nutshell, w/o a fancy write up due to time constraints)
H - You can use remote viewing to obtain lotto numbers.
METHOD - Use of a ganzfeld generator and tone generator to create optimum theta state for determining the numbers. Symbols and colors have been substituted for numbers. Once alternative state has been obtained, the experimenter asks the Ss to concentrate on an envelope containing the time,date, place of the where the event will occur. Then the experimenter will record the series of 3 symbols down. I will forward you a copy of the official copy of the entire procedure if anyone requests it, I'll just need an e-mail addie.
As a control the experimenter buy a lotto ticket with random numbers (generated from the program used by the store lotto computers) or "Quick Pick". Here is the Texas Lotto's definition of the quick pick from their website:
By marking the appropriate box on your playslip, or by telling the clerk you want to use Quick Pick, the lottery terminal will automatically select numbers for you. The Quick Pick random number generator for our on-line games has no built-in memory. Once a set of numbers is picked in one play, the random number process starts fresh for the next play. The fact that a number is picked in one play has no influence on the chances of it getting picked in following plays. Each set of numbers generated by the Quick Pick feature is unrelated to any other Quick Pick selection. This means that one or more numbers, or even the same set of numbers, can be chosen by the Quick Pick option on more than one play. If the random number generator was restricted to producing each set of numbers only once, the system would not be completely random.
The Texas lotto has a build in control.
Which lottery commission? If these guys are doing this on a regular basis, their names should show up regularly on winners lists of lotto commissions.
Texas...anything under $599doesn't have the collector doesn't have to report to the Texas Lotto Commission.
Link to the Texas Lotto website: http://www.txlottery.org/export/sites/default/Winners/Claim_Your_Prize/
Amount Redeemable at:
$599 or less
Any Texas Lottery retailer
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Your local claim center
or
Lottery Commission in Austin
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Fill out a claim form online and print for postal mailing
The Parapsychology Dept at Duke, Stanford Research Institute and Princeton University have studied remote viewing, so I'm sure professors have used it once or twice.
Evidence? Link?
Boy are you lazy.....THE PARAPSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION was created in Durham, North Carolina, on June 19th, 1957. Its formation was proposed by Dr. J. B. Rhine (Director of the Duke Laboratory) at a Workshop in Parapsychology that was held at the Parapsychology Laboratory of Duke University. link: http://www.parapsych.org/history_of_pa.html
The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) program, which flourished for nearly three decades under the aegis of Princeton University's School of Engineering and Applied Science, has completed its experimental agenda of studying the interaction of human consciousness with sensitive physical devices, systems, and processes, and developing complementary theoretical models to enable better understanding of the role of consciousness in the establishment of physical reality. It has now incorporated its present and future operations into the broader venue of the International Consciousness Research Laboratories (ICRL), a 501(c)(3) organization chartered in the State of New Jersey
LINK: http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
This part was easy to prove and a simple search of the university's website would reveal that. Of course you don't have to believe that universities do this kind of research even if there is proof.
Explain in detail how these experiments are conducted, all procedure and protocol. Show us these documents. Evidence.
See above. All evidence of my numbers i post on myspace website. See link in my profile. Additionally, I keep the original #'s with a date stamp by the Texas Lotto Machine, and I have a copy of the results that i get the next day. additionally you can go the website to verify the numbers.
Additionally, there's a difference between Remote viewing and Claravoiance. Remote viewing is an active action, while claravoiance is more passive and deals with random chance. sychronisity a type of claravoiance (described by Carl Yung) which is also a passive experience.
The CIA and US military have used Remote viewing with a 60% success rate. See CIA's link: https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/over-10-million-pages-of-cia-declassified-records-available.html
I don't have a copy of the documents, but I have ordered them through the freedom of information act.
CREST also contains declassified imagery reports from the former National Photographic Interpretation Center, the STAR GATE remote viewing program files, and several specialized collections of translations from foreign media.
I have read papers and talked with some people who were involved with the project. Joseph Monteagle, who currently lectures at Duke Parapsychology institute, has written extensively on the subject. According to him, obtaining future numbers is one of the most difficult tasks a remote viewer can do, that's why I am working on number collection rather then try for something easier. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 4:32:21 PM | From the CIA's own website:
CIA also maintained Intelligence Community coordination with other agencies regarding their work in parapsychology, psychic phenomena, and "remote viewing" experiments. In general, the Agency took a conservative scientific view of these unconventional scientific issues.
LINK: https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/docs/v40i5a09p.htm
I to believe in taking a conservative and skeptical view, but also to keep an open mind. That's why I follow Arthur C. Clarke's 3 laws of science:
1st Law: When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong
2nd Law: The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3rd Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 4:49:36 PM | You're a fool to believe ANY system will win state lotteries.
No stupid tone generator and meditation will make you rich....you got scammed, Big Time
Statistical Science Professors go to great lengths and spend lots of money to insure their business
---yes it's a business and don't you ever foget it - it's not a game --it's Math. Period.
NASDAQ STOCK MARKET symbol SGMS - Scientific Games Corporation
They serve two-thirds of the lotteries in America
http://www.scientificgames.com/sgcorp/lottery_systems.asp
Scientific Games Corporation
750 Lexington Avenue
New York, NY 10022
phone 212 754 2233
fax 212 754 2372 | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 5:00:52 PM | Kick the Kitty -- Let's stick with the truth OKAY !
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB54/st36.pdf
Page 2 of the CIA document states in the first line it was UNsuccessful
Let's stick with 2007 and the 21 st century science experiments okay ?? | |
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mak68
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| Psychic Ability...Are U a Believer?
Posted: 10/15/2007 5:07:03 PM |
BS. Science isn't "working to define it", total codswollop. No psychic ability has ever been proven to exist by science. How can science "work to define something" that hasn't been proven? Any university has links to Scientific Journals - simply do a search. The Parapsychology field has numerous journals. Here are some names, schools and journal articles written on the subject of prediction. Raia, Courtenay Grean, History Department, UCLA, Westwood, CA, US Mack, June, University of Alabama, Birmingham, AL, US Powell, Larry, University of Alabama, Birmingham, AL, US - Perceptions of Non-Local Communication: Incidences Associated with Media Consumption and Individual Differences. Broughton, Richard S., School of Behavioural Studies, University College Northampton, Northampton, Great Britain, - Review of The Stargate chronicles. Storm, Lance, Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit, Department of Psychology, University of Adelaide, SA, Australia, - Remote viewing by committee: RV using a multiple agent/multiple percipient design Mind you, I found multiple articles using EBSCO Host Research data Base,PsycINFO, Psychiatry Online and Social Sciences Full Text (Wilson). There are many more articles, i just snagged a few.
Just post a link to support your claim. I don't need the usual deluge of static that believers throw out. Just post a link that proves "science is working to define psychic ability". Thanks.
METHOD - Use of a ganzfeld generator and tone generator to create optimum theta state for determining the numbers.
Tell us what a "ganzfeld generator" is, and how it and a tone generator induces these theta states.
I will forward you a copy of the official copy of the entire procedure if anyone requests it, I'll just need an e-mail addie.
Wonderful, I will message you one shortly.
As a control the experimenter buy a lotto ticket with random numbers
And how does this above supposed "control" apply to the actual experiment and results?
Which lottery commission? If these guys are doing this on a regular basis, their names should show up regularly on winners lists of lotto commissions. Texas...anything under $599 doesn't have the collector doesn't have to report to the Texas Lotto Commission.
That's nice, but you claimed that these guys win $700.00, well over the $599.00:
I have seen people make a living off picking the pick 3 numbers. These psychics have quit their jobs and obtain the pick 3 numbers when they need them for cash. Walking away with a free $700 check
So which lotto commission? Actually, YOU'RE the one claiming these guys win $700,00 cheques whenever they need it, YOU bring the evidence for this claim. I will not do your work for you.
Boy are you lazy.....THE PARAPSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION was created in Durham, North Carolina, on June 19th, 1957. Its formation was proposed by Dr. J. B. Rhine (Director of the Duke Laboratory) at a Workshop in Parapsychology that was held at the Parapsychology Laboratory of Duke University. link: http://www.parapsych.org/history_of_pa.html
The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) program, which flourished for nearly three decades under the aegis of Princeton University's School of Engineering and Applied Science, has completed its experimental agenda of studying the interaction of human consciousness with sensitive physical devices, systems, and processes, and developing complementary theoretical models to enable better understanding of the role of consciousness in the establishment of physical reality. It has now incorporated its present and future operations into the broader venue of the International Consciousness Research Laboratories (ICRL), a 501(c)(3) organization chartered in the State of New Jersey
LINK: http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/
You know, you are the lazy one. Above we have what amounts to a general outline of what PEAR wants to do. This amounts to NOTHING. All you do is throw out this blurb, and then expect me to go digging for the specifics? Forget it.
Furthermore, parapsychology is, AT BEST, considered a fringe science, if that:
from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology
Parapsychology is a fringe science because it involves research that does not fit within standard theoretical models accepted by mainstream science. Scientists such as psychologists Ray Hyman and James Alcock, among others, are critical of both the methodology used and the results obtained by parapsychology. Skeptical researchers suggest that methodological flaws provide the best explanation for apparent experimental successes, rather than the anomalistic explanations offered by many parapsychologists. Critical analysts argue that parapsychology crosses the line into pseudoscience.[3] To date, no evidence has been accepted by the mainstream scientific community as irrefutably supporting the existence of paranormal phenomena.
To equate parapsychology to an actual science is like sitting in a urine-filled latrine and trying to pass it off as a jacuzzi. Parapsychologists are "working on it", not scientists.
The CIA and US military have used Remote viewing with a 60% success rate. See CIA's link: https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/over-10-million-pages-of-cia-declassified-records-available.html
Is this yet another case of here is a link, find the part that supports my claim?
That link has absolutely NOTHING to do with remote viewing experiments by ANYBODY. It only says that it has these reports, that's it, nice try though. Your credibility is now in the minus numbers. | |
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Posted: 10/15/2007 5:27:07 PM | I to believe in taking a conservative and skeptical view, but also to keep an open mind. That's why I follow Arthur C. Clarke's 3 laws of science:
Great, let's take a looksy:
1st Law: When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right.
Ipse Dixit, fallacy of arguement from authority.
When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong Somewhat wishy washy, but I would say argument from ignorance. He may not be wrong as well, it is wrong to simply assume without knowing.
2nd Law: The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible. Cognitive Dissonance. You cannot discover limits of the possible if you keep venturing past them into the impossible. If you venture into the impossible, it becomes, and IS possible, therefore NOT impossible. Therefore no limits.
3rd Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic That's possible only depending on who is exposed to this advanced technology. A caveman may think it's magic, modern man may not.
This explains a lot..... | |
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