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| The truth about mental health.
Posted: 10/22/2007 4:09:32 PM | Hi, I have something I want to adress to people. Its about mental health and the whole psychiatry profession that is across north america. Since I was 15 years old I was seeing psychiatrists. In high school I was very sad over a girl and I was smoking pot and drinking booze with my friends on a regular basis. Naturally when someone Is a bit heartbroken they feel sad. When someone smokes a lot of pot and/or alcohol (any drug for that matter) they get impaired. For years I believed I was sick because I saw a shrink for 15 minutes and she "diagnosed" me as being depressed/paranoid. I believed her. The reality of it was I was sad over a girl, stoned and having a few too many beers, not that uncommon for teenagers. When I was told I had this disorder I started getting more messed up. ( worrying that im crazy, feeling scared, alone etc) . The doctor started prescribing me prescription drugs for me. It took me until the age of 22 to figure out what this whole thing is. I want you to read carefully the next few lines. What these doctors do is take a person who is "ill" in any way they decide and start giving you more drugs. They convince you your sick which makes it worse. when you take these pills you start feeling better, simply because you are taking a drug!!!, the reality of it is a lot of people who are taking these prescription drugs are not sick, they've just been made to believe they are. Now what happens is you take these drugs and you feel better. Its not your illness getting better, its just you taking a drug and getting basically high off it. When you stop taking these drugs, the shrink will tell you not to because you could have a "relapse" and become sick again. Well holy shit if you stop taking any drug your gonna feel worse, you will go through withdrawl, you will not feel as good because your not on the drug!!, DUH!. For years and years I took their drugs and I believed I was sick. My family believed I was sick. It basically robbed my childhood. Now at the age of 22 I finally figured this whole demon out. I was not sick, I was sad cause I had strong feelings not reciprocated by another. I was impaired by pot and booze. For the last couple months Ive been doing something. Ive been seeing what life is like by reducing all types of drugs in my life. I have not drank in 5 weeks. I quit smoking pot 3 months ago. Ive also lowered my medication down to just a trace. What Ive realized now is that I was never sick. The whole "illness" I had was just the effects of pot booze and natural sadness over a girl. The other day I woke up, I felt so together and I had my judgement and everything was just generally good. Out of routine I took my pill. No more then 20 minutes after taking it things started becoming weird again, all the side effects kicked in, I felt drowsy, tired, light headed, revved up and just basically in a fog. Then it hit me. for years and years I have been told I was sick, I never was. It was natural effects of REAL things. Of course i felt better a while ago taking those pills, THEYRE A DRUG!. of course they became a problem too, like any other drug! Now that Ive been sober for 2 months (off the pills, no beer, no smoke) Ive got it right finally. Ive realized that attitude is everything. However my attitude is is gonna affect how i feel, not some pill. I finally feel strong confident, motivated and like the man I should be. people I know are noticing the difference too, yet theyre still kind of odd around me cause for years theyve all thought im sick, maybe they still do!.
The basic point im trying to get across is that if you are messed up in any way, stay away from those shrinks. You are not sick. Things in life can make people sad, booze, drugs will mess you up. If you want to feel better start going for walks, if your angry, beat up a pillow. If things are all blurry, lay off the booze, not for a day or two, for about 2 months, if you smoke pot quit!. I bet there are thousands of people out there going through agony cause they believe theyre crazy and so does theyre family. noone deserves to go through that. Im not gonna get into detail about what its like, but I am lucky im here to write this right now. Especially young people I want to adress. If you are in high school and your "Messed up" or whatever. really think about why!, are you going to parties smoking up and getting drunk??, is there someone you want really bad who doesnt like you??, are you not popular etc etc, those are REAL things that can make someone feel messed up. Do not let anyone convince you your sick!. Do not take "medication". Again Ill say if you are struggling with something, YOU know best how to be happy, not some man/woman in a chair who will talk to you for 10 minutes and throw a bottle of pills at you. that is one drug habbit you NEVER need. I hope people understand what Ive been trying to describe here!. | |
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| The truth about mental health.
Posted: 10/22/2007 5:10:20 PM | What planet are you from? You are so full of it it's not funny. Glad you stopped self medicating by drinking and smoking pot, but really, give us a break.
So, at 22, you know more than people who've went to school for 8 years and spent four or more years as interns and residents? That is the hall mark of someone with a psychosis, because they always think that they AREN'T sick -- everyone else is.
What was your diagnosis? Schizophrenia? Bipolar disorder? Major Depression? What?
How long have you been off your meds before you took them again? Two months? And in 20 minutes all these symptoms appeared? I've NEVER had any oral medication, pill or liquid affect me that fast and that strong. Did you ever report these side effects to your doctor? No, I'm guessing?.
If you break an arm or leg are you just going to set it yourself? Same principle.
There is a saying in the legal profession that has bearing on your situation:
"He who defends himself has a fool for a client."
Likewise "He who prescribes their own medication -- or lack of it -- has a fool for a patient."
You are playing with you life, numbnutz!
Maybe, just maybe, you opught to get a second and third opinion from someone qualified to give it????
Should we start taking bets as to how long it will be before you run afoul of the law or end up dead?
EDIT: Of course, the fact that you put this under politics instead of science might say something about your motives, too. | |
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svj
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| The truth about mental health.
Posted: 10/22/2007 5:45:44 PM | Congratulations, kid!
The medical profession is great at taking care of traumatic injuries.
But the modern medicine is built around treating symptoms, not causes. The reason is simple. If they treat the cause, they can only charge you once. If they treat the symptom, they can treat you indefinately.
Think of doctors and psychiatrists like mechanics. There are ones that will genuinely want to do what's best for you, and there are some that just consult the PDR (Physician's Desk Reference), and sell you some drugs, hoping the legal high will keep you in a happier state, but not so happy that you don't keep coming back for more therapy.
If you've been going to the same shrink for more than 10-12 sessions and your condition isn't improving, it's time to find a different shrink.
And don't go to any doctor or shrink that has a pharmacy next door to the office. The clinic owns it. Meaning the odds that they're looking out for your best interest is greatly reduced.
Qualifications: Internet pharmacy. Sold millions of dollars worth of drugs over the last 5 years. Yeah. I'm the bad guy. 
I'd type more, but this thread is about to be deleted.
Good work, kid! And good luck! | |
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Posted: 10/22/2007 6:16:17 PM | yup likewise i wont get into to much because people will not bother to discover what you are driving at before deleting it
The basic point im trying to get across is that if you are messed up in any way, stay away from those shrinks. You are not sick. | |
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| The truth about mental health.
Posted: 10/22/2007 7:02:43 PM |
If you break an arm or leg are you just going to set it yourself? Same principle.
this statement is not true, doctors who treat physical ailments have something concrete to go by, broken leg + treatment will hopefully repair the leg, this is concrete
with psychology, there's no x-ray or surgery, the treatment is subjective, you think you're better, the doctor thinks you're better, or your family does, but it's all relative
professionally i know that anyone who even says they're sad to their treating physician, they're often times prescribed TONS of anti-depressant medication, even when the depression is situational, often times they NEVER even receive counseling, they're just taking this mind altering chemical, and MANY of those prescribing the medication are often times more screwed up then their patients, why do you suppose they went into this field in the first place?
there are many who need the medicaton (and the counseling) but it is being used far too much in our society especially~ | |
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Posted: 10/22/2007 7:11:16 PM | | Hmm. Maybe in the backwater hamlets of south carolina they pass out medicine like it's candy, but where there is oversight they don't dare. If they don't get sued for malpractice by their patient(s), they get their license lifted for abusing their prescription-writing privileges. I guess you didn't hear that Anna Nicole Smith's doctor is under investigation by the medical board for possibly prescribing too much medicine. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2007 7:17:38 PM | | sir, i don't know about the backwater hamlets of SC either, but you are 100% wrong, anti-depressants are available almost for the asking, ms smith was over-prescribed which is different than BEING prescribed- | |
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Posted: 10/22/2007 7:28:02 PM | None of the medications-in and of themselves- was over prescribed. That's has already been established.
Oh, are you saying psychiatrists are doing this or ordinary general practitioners? GP's shouldn't prescribe this class of drugs just because they can. However, I know that lay people always want a "magic bullet" -- be it a 'happy pill' or an antibiotic -- and will put undue pressure on their doctors to prescribe it for them. Personally, if a doctor I was seeing caved in like that I would no longer be his patient, but that is just me. | |
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Joined: 9/15/2007
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| The truth about mental health.
Posted: 10/22/2007 7:35:50 PM | None of the medications-in and of themselves- was over prescribed. That's has already been established. Established by who? Can you show me some numbers?
GP's shouldn't prescribe this class of drugs just because they can. However, I know that lay people always want a "magic bullet" -- be it a 'happy pill' or an antibiotic -- and will put undue pressure on their doctors to prescribe it for them. Exactly. Agree 100%. But that's what should happen. Not what does.
People can buy this stuff online. People that never saw a doctor, just filled out a questionnaire that was reviewed by a doctor. It is brutally easy to get ahold of a legal high. If that's not over prescription.... | |
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| The truth about mental health.
Posted: 10/22/2007 7:49:48 PM | | Well, considering that most of the online places are based in canada, maybe socialized medicine don't work after all. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2007 8:53:38 PM | | I just wanna say that im not saying NOBODY has an illness. but I really believe a lot of people think they do and dont. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2007 9:03:47 PM | No offense gageforfun but how can you assume Im someone with a "Psychosis"?
I dont think im sick...Does that make me ill?
and how can you assume im someone with an illness just by reading the one paragraph ive wrote? Are you basing all your facts on what youve learned and just pinning it to me?
and dont get me wrong. Im not saying there isnt anyone whos not ill, but im quite sure a lot of people get convinced they have a condition when in reality they dont and that whats this thread was about. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2007 9:21:38 PM | Also how can I be playing with my life by taking less drugs? and why do you assume someone who smokes a joint or has a beer is "self-medicating?"(what the hell does that mean, really?)
If I choose to go out to a party and have a few or smoke some pot thats my choice.
The basic point I was trying to get across is people who drink or smoke can get impaired, people get down about failed relationships and so on. therefore maybe lay off the booze or find another way to be happy instead of believeing some shrink about whatever "illness" they decide I have.
And what do you mean by my motive of placing this in politics??????
Oh yeah the funny part is they never really diagnosed me as something, they just let me "try out" a lot of medications over the years, none which make me feel better than without it. | |
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svj
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Joined: 9/15/2007
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| The truth about mental health.
Posted: 10/22/2007 11:02:20 PM |
Well, considering that most of the online places are based in canada, maybe socialized medicine don't work after all. I would tend to agree. | |
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Posted: 10/22/2007 11:18:55 PM | ^^^I would tend to agree that our system of health care needs to be really looked at, but please let's not get another health care thread going. I think we have enough of those alread., But the system is going to get worse and worse as the boomers age and the folks live longer. There's chinks in the armor already. i was in health care for the better part of two decades, so I know it's far from perfect.
The part of the quote i don't agree with is that most online centres are in canada. That i find hard to believe and maybe mr. gage would be kind enough to provide us with evidence of this assertion. Could be true, but seeing is believing.
As for doctors losing their license, i think whoever argued that using Anna nicole Smith as his example just either isn't thinking or posted before thinking. I mean what good does it do Anna Nicole Smith these days if her doctors lose their licenses for overprescribing meds. Day late and a dollar short with that line of reasoning.
On TOPIC: Young man, go easy on that BC bud. Handle with care. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2007 3:58:40 PM | | THANK YOU, CLOSER! I understand that you are just trying to put forth the idea that medication doesn't solve everything, especially when it comes to mental health issues. Sometimes a little more exercise and little less junk food is all a person needs to feel better. I'm dealing with the same thing now; tyring to get off an anti anxiety medication that was prescribed three years ago when I was in an abusive relationship. But whenever I try not to take it, I feel worse than I did when I was actually having the problems that I needed the medication for. So thank you again. Your post is very thoughtful and I am just appalled at the responses you got it. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2007 5:33:44 PM | Good for you, CLOSER. I know several people who take antidepressants and I do not see an appreciable difference in their attitudes. What I do see is more of a tendency toward weepiness, weight gain, laziness and a general loss of vibrancy. It is especially sad to see this happen to a child.
No pill is a panacea for depression. You are absolutely correct in saying that there is a reason for someone being depressed and until that reason is addressed the symptoms are just being masked, usually by apathy.
Here's my complaint. There is a Zoloft commercial that I have always hated...actually, I hate them all because they give the impression that all a person has to do is take a pill and the sun will suddenly come out. Yet the commercial states:
"While the cause is unknown, depression may be related to an imbalance of naturally occurring chemicals between nerve cells in the brain. Zoloft, a prescription medicine works to correct this imbalance."
Well, wait a minute...didn't they just say the cause of depression is unknown? That they are only guessing that it is a chemical imbalance? So how can they state definitively that Zoloft will correct this?
And the dangers of Zoloft?
You may have thoughts about suicide when you first start taking an antidepressant, especially if you are younger than 24 years old. Call your doctor at once if you have any new or worsening symptoms such as: mood or behavior changes, anxiety, panic attacks, trouble sleeping, or if you feel impulsive, irritable, agitated, hostile, aggressive, restless, hyperactive (mentally or physically), more depressed, or have thoughts about suicide or hurting yourself.
Well, gee...seems like those would be the reasons to begin taking the drug. Kinda defeats the purpose, huh?
There is also a commercial for a drug for restless leg syndrome that cracked me up the first time I saw it...apparently the side of effects of that one are an overwhelming urge to gamble. But on the plus side, now that the restless leg syndrome has been addressed, a person could sit for hours at a slot machine. Know what I do when my legs feel restless? Move them around a bit.
Another one begins "I didn't know I had dry eye syndrome until my doctor told me."
Well, probably wasn't bothering you then...
While some illnesses obviously require drug treatment, many do not. But isn't it great to think a pill will cure anything that ails you? And now I'm off to take a pill so I can eat all my favorite foods and still lose weight with no diet or exercise! | |
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Joined: 9/11/2007
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| The truth about mental health.
Posted: 10/23/2007 7:08:15 PM | today i talked to a woman who said she was prescribed zoloft, in my job i must ask why a person is on the medication that they are on, when i asked her why the doctor prescribed her zoloft, she told me that her mother whom she was very close to recently died and the doctor thought this medication would "help her deal with her grief"...
so now we don't have to deal with grief!!!
closer, get counseling but be wary of the meds, surround yourself with those who are positive forces, seek the beauty in life...you may feel that you've lost some of your childhood, but you are light years ahead of a lot of the adults that pop pills so they won't have to feel...even sorrow at their mother's passing.... | |
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Posted: 10/23/2007 8:41:43 PM | OKAY TOM CRUISE. Nice rant. Jump up and down on a couch.
Some people have low seratonin levels and greatly benefit from psychiatric drugs.
Many people benefit from psychotherapy. | |
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edisto
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Joined: 9/11/2007
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| The truth about mental health.
Posted: 10/23/2007 9:04:07 PM | who are you calling tom cruise? if it's me, then let me tell you first, you can increase your serotonin level in many ways, by eating certain foods, exercising, sunlight, some herbs and sex, second, try reading my posts, i said medication is necessary for some people and counseling is important and third, your post is redundant dr. freud~
there are many who need the medicaton (and the counseling) but it is being used far too much in our society | |
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Posted: 10/23/2007 10:05:20 PM | | Edisto, the reason i posted this is cause I want to see people look at the whole thing differently. Im not trying to give the impression im sad or anything. The stuff im talking about is in the past. | |
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edisto
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