| Waht is truth?
Posted: 10/28/2007 4:39:50 PM | truth Listen to the pronunciation of truthPronunciation:
\ˈtrüth\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s):
plural truths Listen to the pronunciation of truths Listen to the pronunciation of truths \ˈtrüthz, ˈtrüths\Etymology: Middle English trewthe, from Old English trēowth fidelity; akin to Old English trēowe faithful — more at trueDate: before 12th century
1 aarchaic : fidelity, constancy b: sincerity in action, character, and utterance2 a (1): the state of being the case : fact (2): the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality (3)often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality b: a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true c: the body of true statements and propositions3 a: the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality bchiefly British : true 2 c: fidelity to an original or to a standard4capitalized Christian Science : god
— in truth
: in accordance with fact : actually
I was wondering about the word "truth". It comes up a lot yet I have to admit I do not entirely understand it. I can read the dictionary definition but even it seems subjective. I haven't actually studied the concept of truth..I am sure the great philosophers have wrestled with this question. I have seen some wonderful thought here and would like to open up this topic for discussion. | |
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| Waht is truth?
Posted: 10/28/2007 4:49:29 PM | You are making me think here! I love it!
Truth, to me, has always meant fact. Honest. Actual. Fidelity.
Of course, that is how I was raised to view it. I have never applied the word to a religion. Mainly because I cannot say what is true and what isn't. In that matter, truth becomes subjective.
Having time to think it over, I would almost say that the word needs the definition of "the idea that something is fact." For different things can be be truth to different people. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 5:09:47 PM | Great and succinct answer
Do you think that the word truth is overused and abused? By this I mean do you think that it is one of those terms that is kind of a catchall...meaning a lot of different things but really not meaning anything at all? Has it's lost it's real value and meaning in the world? I don't know if I am conveying what I mean here very well but... ? | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 5:16:11 PM | | Well, I think we live in a perceptive universe and I've always considered that 'truth' is what you believe. I also think you can stretch the truth, mould it and recreated it... it's what religions have done... so yes... the word perversion comes into play. :) | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 5:20:16 PM | The word truth, in my opinion, is extremely overused. And as skypoetone said, it is moulded, shaped, twisted and recreated all the time.
I do not see it as a definate but more insubstantial. Something that is easily changed from person to person.
Has it losts it's "real" value? That would imply that there is a definate definition (say that three times fast!). | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 5:34:18 PM | I can't argue if the word truth is overused or abused , but , I would put forth the thought that Truth and Fact do not belong together , at least , not all the time . For example .............. In my small community , I do healing . The folks in my community will confirm that I do healing and the folks that I have worked with will comfirm that I do healing . That I do healing is a Truth , both for me , and the others in my community . But , the Truth that I do healing is not a Fact according to science and sceptics.
In short , A Truth my be agreed to by many , A Fact would have to be agreed to by science and the populace in general .
You guys type fast ..............started when there where two posts ............ | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 5:49:23 PM | During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
Ministry of Truth
Newspeak: Minitrue.
The propaganda arm of Oceania's regime, controlling information: literature, propaganda, the Party organization, and the telescreen programs. Winston Smith works for the Records Department (RecDep) of Minitrue, "rectifying" historical records and newspaper articles to make them conform to Big Brother's most recent pronouncements, thus making everything that the Party says true.
The Ministry of Truth is where the main character of the book Nineteen Eighty-Four, Winston Smith, works. It is an enormous pyramidal structure of glittering white concrete rising 300 meters into the air, containing over 3000 rooms above ground. On the outside wall are the three slogans of the Party: "War is Peace," "Freedom is Slavery," "Ignorance is Strength." There is also a large part underground, probably containing huge incinerators where documents are destroyed after they are put down memory holes. For his description Orwell may have been inspired by the Senate House at the University of London, although it is also possible that this building could have been the basis for the Ministry of Love[citation needed]
Role in information
The Ministry of Truth is involved with news, entertainment and the fine arts. Its purpose is to rewrite history and change the facts to fit party doctrine, for propaganda effect. For example, if Big Brother makes a prediction that turns out to be wrong, the employees of the Ministry of Truth go back and rewrite history so that any prediction Big Brother previously made is accurate.
Departments
The following are the departments of the ministry mentioned in the text:
• Records Department (Recdep in Newspeak)
• Fiction Department (Ficdep in Newspeak)
• Pornography Department (Pornodep in Newspeak)
• Tele-programmes Department (Teledep in Newspeak)
• Research Department
• Music Department (may not belong to the Ministry of Truth) | |
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| Waht is truth?
Posted: 10/28/2007 5:59:01 PM |
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
Man, I like that! Thanks Jeffy... it's the one great story I never actually got around to reading
and why does it remind me of the movie "V" ? | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 6:35:33 PM | 1984 by George Orwell is a very short read and well worth the read. It was written in the early fifties. I re-read it during the current US admin, and AND WOW is it ever accurate to todays situations.
Truth is like a finely cut diamond with so many facets you can lose yourself pondering one facet, or see the whole diamond, or see the lady that the diamond adorns.
Also a person can desire the diamond or the lady with the diamond. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2007 7:30:24 PM | | What is true for me, is what I make a part of my reality. There are many truths in the world. Many things which are verifiable fact, yet, for me, they are not true as I choose not to accept them. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 3:00:44 AM | the Truth is undeniable.
everything that is Right & Good & Honest, abides by the True Order.
the Truth proves itself to those who care to see, and all liars lack the love required to know it. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 4:51:21 AM | To quote Elvis Costello, my aim is true........
I strive to find the truth, for me. So far, my truth boils down to love and acceptance.
Really, can any one of us definitively define truth? I think it is a personal search that will eventually join us all back to the Divine.
Cheers, Raven | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 6:21:24 AM |
I was wondering about the word "truth". It comes up a lot yet I have to admit I do not entirely understand it.
Something I once read:
"There is only one unchanging source of moral and spiritual truth and authority - God and His Word. His Word is as sacred as God Himself. This is our one real absolute. There is no other. In other words, whether we believe it or not, whether we choose it or not, whether we desire it or not, it is an inescapable, cosmic reality. This fact is as much a part of the essence of the universe as is gravity and light".
I believe this statement was well put and wanted to share it. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 10:36:52 AM | To me... individually determined based on our beliefs..... and each of us contributes to the overriding collective truth... while also being affected by a "higher" truth...
How does our own personally held "truth" interact with the collective and/or "higher" truth? How does the collective truth interact with "higher" truth? Or is it one and the same?
Interesting question Ravenstar.... I'm all contemplative.... | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 11:29:40 AM | What is truth...
Well, the question is fully loaded.
Truth suggests an absolute, and since humans are biased creatures there can never be a solid "truth" only forms of the truth, bits and pieces and fragments. Things we perceive to be accurate, but may yet not be. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 11:57:16 AM | great post Sassy,
each of us determines our own truth. The society to which we belong must agree on certain " truths" in order to function as a society. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 12:22:22 PM | Well... what's true for you might not be true for me and might not be true for the next person.
Truth is the everlasting excuse for there not being any one real truth...
get it?
got it!
good... | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 12:52:26 PM | I personally don't buy into the idea of subjective truth. I believe there is truth, and then there is the counterfeit, lie, illusion and half truth.
Unfortunately, when dressed properly or packaged just right, the ugliest lie can appear to be a beautiful truth. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 12:56:30 PM | | “The great masses of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie rather than a small one, especially if it is repeated over and over.”- Adolph Hitler | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 12:58:57 PM | | How true..... and also soooooooo damned ironic my sides are splitting, believe me? Lol..... | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 1:58:51 PM | Ask the one who speaks the truth and where he/she got it from, then consider where he/she got it from, then consider where he/she got it from, then consider....
dig?
Alternately.... don't.
You may just become as wise. :) | |
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| Waht is truth?
Posted: 10/29/2007 9:14:34 PM | | The only truth is that which you find for yourself. | |
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Posted: 10/29/2007 11:46:25 PM | I think that most of you are missing the most quintessential concept here...
Everything that is subjective can never be proven, disproven, quantified, validated, or defined by rational, objective means. These entities exist only as subjective stimulation to the universe around us. How can they be defined? How can they be validated or substantiated objectively? It is impossible, because they don't exist objectively. They exist only subjectively, which means that without our will to even THINK about them, they won't exist even subjectively.
Values are subjective and are inherently baseless -- morals, values, religion/faith, ethics, culture ... they are all products of society and were not here BEFORE we were. In deducting all of the baseless and useless values from the assessment, we're left with nothing but a perfunctory universe that is mindless to our silly values. In searching for truth, you'll discover no "truth" at all. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 2:14:07 AM | the truth is, i will never in a million years find a woman with the capacity to love me or care about me.
and the reason why is because I AM the Truth, I hurt people.
(the truth hurts)
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| Waht is truth?
Posted: 10/30/2007 9:24:27 AM | So, Truth is universal, is it?
I grow tired of seeing this. That isn't faith, that's disrespect. Nobody can respect or understand another person if they believe that everything that person says is incorrect.
So here's a fun exercise. Give me one of those Universal Truths you all spout on about. Now, change the names. Is it still Truth?
If, say, Barbarossa had told His people to go into a foreign land and kill everyone living there, would it be ok?
What if Belphegor had said "the only way to Heaven is through me"? Would that be true?
What makes you so sure you alone know the truth? What makes you so sure nobody else could EVER have ANYTHING that could be true?
Ah, but of course, by asking these questions, I must be attacking you. 
Now, back to the topic at hand.
Truth. For me, it is what I have experienced, seen, and learned, as deciphered hrough the filters of my upbringing, my genetic makeup, my prior experience, and my emotional state. Truth is what I have sought out, through my own efforts, and determined to be: plausible, verifiable, and repeatable.
And, unlike so many others, I can admit when I am wrong. Even if it doesn't happen often.  | |
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