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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/2/2007 7:05:31 PM | In 24 states throughout the country, beekeepers have gone through similar shocks as their bees have been disappearing inexplicably at an alarming rate, threatening not only their livelihoods but also the production of numerous crops, including California almonds, one of the nation’s most profitable.
“I have never seen anything like it,” Mr. Bradshaw, 50, said from an almond orchard here beginning to bloom. “Box after box after box are just empty. There’s nobody home.”
The sudden mysterious losses are highlighting the critical link that honeybees play in the long chain that gets fruit and vegetables to supermarkets and dinner tables across the country.
Beekeepers have fought regional bee crises before, but this is the first national affliction.
Now, in a mystery worthy of Agatha Christie, bees are flying off in search of pollen and nectar and simply never returning to their colonies. And nobody knows why. Researchers say the bees are presumably dying in the fields, perhaps becoming exhausted or simply disoriented and eventually falling victim to the cold.
As researchers scramble to find answers to the syndrome they have decided to call “colony collapse disorder,” growers are becoming openly nervous about the capability of the commercial bee industry to meet the growing demand for bees to pollinate dozens of crops, from almonds to avocados to kiwis.
Along with recent stresses on the bees themselves, as well as on an industry increasingly under consolidation, some fear this disorder may force a breaking point for even large beekeepers.
A Cornell University study has estimated that honeybees annually pollinate more than $14 billion worth of seeds and crops in the United States, mostly fruits, vegetables and nuts. “Every third bite we consume in our diet is dependent on a honeybee to pollinate that food,” said Zac Browning, vice president of the American Beekeeping Federation.
The bee losses are ranging from 30 to 60 percent on the West Coast, with some beekeepers on the East Coast and in Texas reporting losses of more than 70 percent; beekeepers consider a loss of up to 20 percent in the offseason to be normal.
Beekeepers are the nomads of the agriculture world, working in obscurity in their white protective suits and frequently trekking around the country with their insects packed into 18-wheelers, looking for pollination work.
Once the domain of hobbyists with a handful of backyard hives, beekeeping has become increasingly commercial and consolidated. Over the last two decades, the number of beehives, now estimated by the Agriculture Department to be 2.4 million, has dropped by a quarter and the number of beekeepers by half.
Pressure has been building on the bee industry. The costs to maintain hives, also known as colonies, are rising along with the strain on bees of being bred to pollinate rather than just make honey. And beekeepers are losing out to suburban sprawl in their quest for spots where bees can forage for nectar to stay healthy and strong during the pollination season.
“There are less beekeepers, less bees, yet more crops to pollinate,” Mr. Browning said. “While this sounds sweet for the bee business, with so much added loss and expense due to disease, pests and higher equipment costs, profitability is actually falling.”
Some 15 worried beekeepers convened in Florida this month to brainstorm with researchers how to cope with the extensive bee losses. Investigators are exploring a range of theories, including viruses, a fungus and poor bee nutrition.
They are also studying a group of pesticides that were banned in some European countries to see if they are somehow affecting bees’ innate ability to find their way back home.
It could just be that the bees are stressed out. Bees are being raised to survive a shorter offseason, to be ready to pollinate once the almond bloom begins in February. That has most likely lowered their immunity to viruses.
I heard that after this weird decline they sent in the department of defense and homeland security to investigate ? wouldn't this be a place for the department of agriculture ? what does this have to do with defense ? Now what's going on ? | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/2/2007 7:19:50 PM | | I dont know about anywhere else, but they where everywhere here in West Texas this summer..more than usual, mostly killer bees..used to have a lot of honey bees but all these Africanized Killer Bees have pretty much killed them out. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/2/2007 8:07:24 PM | it does look scary. and it could result in the end of agriculture as we know it.
the new yorker ran an article on this a few months ago. i recall a penn state researcher who did a post-mortem on one bee reported finding evidence of every known bee virus and parasite.
environmental breakdowns and imbalances tend to present initially in weaknesses and ailments in the smallest organisms first.
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/2/2007 9:44:47 PM | Just a guess, but i always trust my female intuition - GMO crops?
Perhaps sterile pollen produces sterile bees?
My theory is that GMO'd food have less nutrition value.
Is this the canary in the coal mine? Do you think Monsanto cares? They don't want crops that pollinate, perhaps this is part, or just a lucky benefit of the plan. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/2/2007 10:07:11 PM | It's not going to result in the end of agriculture. It may result in the rethinking agriculture as we know it - if we're lucky. Only the corporate-model, profit-uber-alles, pumped-up-on-steroids bee colonies are collapsing. Organic bee colonies don't seem to suffer from colony collapse disorder.
http://informationliberation.com/index.php?id=21912
... No one in the organic beekeeping world, including commercial beekeepers, is reporting colony collapse ...
... I've gone to natural sized cells. In case you weren't aware, and I wasn't for a long time, the foundation in common usage results in much larger bees than what you would find in a natural hive. I've measured sections of natural worker brood comb that are 4.6mm in diameter. What most people use for worker brood is foundation that is 5.4mm in diameter. If you translate that into three dimensions instead of one, it produces a bee that is about half as large again as is natural. By letting the bees build natural sized cells, I have virtually eliminated my Varroa and Tracheal mite problems. One cause of this is shorter capping times by one day, and shorter post-capping times by one day. This means less Varroa get into the cells, and less Varroa reproduce in the cells.
Who should be surprised that the major media reports forget to tell us that the dying bees are actually hyper-bred varieties that we coax into a larger than normal body size? ...
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/3/2007 3:38:12 PM | | the odd thing I also heard about this is that the bees leave the hive full of honey and none of the other bees will touch it? like it's tainted or something ? usually if a colony dies off for whatever reason scavengers will come and take what they can. But this is not the case. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/4/2007 10:13:52 AM | from bbc news, by richard black, Environment correspondent, BBC News website :
Virus implicated in bee decline Before and after... a collapsed and deserted honeybee colony. A virus has emerged as a strong suspect in the hunt for the mystery disease killing off North American honeybees.
Genetic research showed that Israeli Acute Paralysis Virus (IAPV) turned up regularly in hives affected by Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD).
Over the last three years, between 50% and 90% of commercial bee colonies in the US have been affected by CCD. The hives are transported around the country to pollinate important crops, notably to California for almonds. The state produces about 80% of the world's almonds in an industry worth $2.5bn per year.
"This really highlights the value of pollinators," said Jeff Pettis, research leader of the US government's Bee Research Laboratory. We're unlikely to come up with a treatment for viruses in bees
Jeff Pettis: "We're operating under a limited number of colonies - we had five million in the 1950s, now we have half of that number." Dr Pettis is one of the CCD research team that reports its initial findings in the journal Science.
Genetic trawl: The honeybee decline can be traced back at least 20 years, and the introduction of the parasitic varroa mite is one of the principal causes.
But in 2004, beekeepers began seeing and reporting a new and serious phenomenon, in which entire colonies would desert their hives, leaving behind their brood and stocks of food - a syndrome that was later labelled Colony Collapse Disorder.
Vales of the vanishing bees Theories on what is causing it have ranged from mobile phone radiation to pesticides, from genetically modified crops to climate change.
Disease remained a strong contender though, particularly in the light of the known impact of mites such as the varroa. And genetics offered the opportunity to analyse what organisms were living with and on the bees.
"The genome of the honeybee had just been completed," noted Diana Cox-Foster, an entomologist from Penn State University. "So it was possible to do the (genetic) sequencing and then eliminate the genetic material of the bees."
The scientists' trawl revealed a diverse cargo even in healthy colonies. Eight types of bacteria appeared to be present in all bees, suggesting they perform some function useful to their hosts.
The researchers also found genes from parasites, fungi, and viruses, in both healthy hives and in those which had undergone collapse. But IAPV only appeared in samples from CCD populations.
Prime suspect
"This virus appears to be strongly associated with CCD," commented Dr Cox-Foster, "but whether it's the causative agent or just a very good marker (of the syndrome) is the next question we need to address."
And if it is a cause, it might not be the only one.
"I still believe that multiple factors are involved in CCD," said Jeff Pettis, "and what we need to do is look at combinations such as parasites, stress and nutrition (together with the virus)."
Collapse of the bee industry would be grave for US agriculture. Meanwhile, theories connected with mobile phones, climate change and GM crops can probably be discounted, the researcher suggested.
As its name would suggest, IAPV was first identified in Israel, but the symptoms it produces in bees there are quite different. Whether this is down to a small genetic difference in the virus between continents, or whether IAPV is acting in concert with different environmental factors, is an open question.
Also open is the question of how the virus arrived in the US. One finger of suspicion points to Australia, from where the US began importing honeybees in 2004 - the very year that CCD appeared in US hives.
The researchers found IAPV in Australian bees, and they are now planning to go back through historical US samples to see if the Antipodean imports really were the first carriers.
If they were, the US might consider closing its borders to Australian bees. If IAPV does turn out to be a major factor causing CCD, there may be little that scientists or beekeepers can do about it.
"We're unlikely to come up with a treatment for viruses in bees," said Dr Pettis, "and so beekeepers are likely just to have to keep the other things that might affect CCD, such as mites, under control."
With commercial honeybees worth an estimated $14bn to US agriculture, the political pressure on scientists to come up with some answers is considerable. i heard about this a few months ago. yet i have not heard about the department of defense involvement. perhaps they were called in to determine if pesticides used were somehow tainted with a yet as unknown chemical agent they might have more understanding of? it seems as though the department of agriculture doesn't have the best possible grasp of what could be the actual culprit. whatever is going on, the numbers and rate of decline are disturbing, and certainly not enough light as been shed on what the full implications nor ramifications might mean for the future issues facing the bees, agriculture as we know it, and thusly ourselves. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/4/2007 2:14:19 PM | I'd heard it was some kind of virus. Not many honey bes around this year...mostly wasps and hornets and such. A few of the big bumble bees, but not many. The keepers around here have lost a third of their bees. Easily. But....those who raise extra queens will have a ready market for them. No...I don't think GMO's are to blame. Maybe a virus that was unleashed on purpose...by god knows who. Agriculture can take a hit from this...but, will recover without too much problems. Seems a lot of record crops came in this year even with a lot of bees missing.
thses so called "organic" bee keepers aren't any more informed than anyone else it seems. Sure...smaller bees, lower production, higher price for the product....but doesn't have any meaningful facts to apply to this situation.
Things will recover, as they usually do....beekeepers will simply restock, and go on. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/4/2007 2:57:51 PM | But really what's next? I'm sure that there will be a spin off of this , lady-bugs turning tricks to get some leaf ? dogs and cats sleeping together?cockoaches learning to clean themselves ? what ??????????
I still have to wonder why the united states defense department was brought in to investigate this ? What did they do this time that hey are trying to cover up ? | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/4/2007 4:12:13 PM | I recall vividly this summer I saw a bee acting very odd. It kept flying into a peice of pond liner I was installing. It was clearly confused and in distress. I doubt it made it back to the hive. Two years ago I saw a hive swarming. Who knows where it wound up, but they represented an empty hive too.
A lot of farmers are switching to mason bees in the absence of honey bees now. They're cheap, self supporting if given adequate nesting structures, and stingless. The only drawback is they don't produce honey. The point is, even if honey bees were to go extinct there are other polinators that could be used to replace them. There is no danger of catstrophic shortages of food due to dwindling honey bee populations.
Maybe someone here can tell me if this is true: don't bumble bees produce honey too? Obviously not in the kind of quantities that honey bees do, but why couldn't bumbles be used for honey production? | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/4/2007 5:29:14 PM | If memory serves, bumblebees are solitary burrowers. They'd be useless for pollinating OR honey. Pollinating requires large numbers of bees, which you won't get from solitary bees. Even with honey, good luck digging up one tiny nest at a time. It's been nearly 20 years since I was an entomologist, so my memory could be a little off on this :)
Africanized bees ARE honey bees. An African subspecies tends to swarm threats, and has other traits I don't recall. They interbreed freely with other honey bees, and it's these intergrades which are called "Africanized". They're not so much a different kind of bee, as a variant of the usual bee. Bumblebees are an entire group of related species which occur naturally as far north as the Arctic Islands.
I suspect that, apart from the fact that the dying bees tend to be a larger breed, a major factor would be their industrial production. By putting vast numbers of bees in a small area, parasites and viruses can spread rapidly. By transporting those same bees across the continent, cross infection becomes easier. Disease outbreaks are usually associated with crowding. No-brainer here. By having smaller hives, decentralized and local, of more than one breed, hardiness is increased and the spread of disease is discouraged. Noting this doesn't solve the current problem, but it could prevent future problems. Even the big companies could work with this scenario, they'd just have to operate differently and accept higher operating costs in order to have better survival and productivity.
To the poster who feared genetically modified foods - this is a no-starter, just like gamma-irradiated foods. Both fears are borne of ignorance. Irradiation kills, it doesn't leave anything behind, it just sterilizes. It doesn't make the food radioactive. Not only is there no evidence that genetic modification reduces nutritional value or increases any risks, there's no reason to think so. ALL crops and livestock are already genetically modified, by selective breeding to isolate and duplicate the desired genes indirectly. With plants, and to a lesser degree animals, the exact effects of various genes is now known. Instead of selective breeding for several generations, a single gene can often now be simply transferred from a source plant to the desired plant [usual genes would be early-blooming, early-ripening, fast growth, large fruit size, frost tolerance, salt-tolerance]. These aren't man-made genes. They come from existing species and have precisely known effects. They have no influence on nutritional value, since they don't affect the need, uptake, or storage of nutrients. They don't lead to disease, since disease is caused by completely different organisms. Even if a genetic disease resulted in the plant, genetic diseases can't be transmitted except by reproduction. A genetic disease would be found and removed before such a plant ever reached the market anyway. Sterile pollen wouldn't be an issue unless it was engineered to be, and it certainly wouldn't affect the bees any. There are plenty of sterile breeds of plants, many of them natural - they just reproduce other ways, via kikis, suckers, and other types of clones. Sterility is endemic to the organism, it's not something that spreads. Sorry to say, but this is an all-too-widespread notion: fear of knowledge by those who don't have any. Welcome to the new Dark Ages. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/4/2007 6:22:25 PM | | wow ^^^^^^^ your entire post take away from the fact that these bees just want to be bees ? you have turned them into a commodity.Is this what is is now ? we have to control everything ? even nature ? that is so sad ! | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/4/2007 8:26:44 PM |
I heard that after this weird decline they sent in the department of defense and homeland security to investigate ?
Where did you hear that? Art Bell's show?
Good article, Softedge. Also very interesting in the other article that organic honeybees are not getting this disorder. It seems every time we try to make something better in the end we outsmart ourselves. There is reason and wisdom, even in this day and age, as to why the bible warns of sterile seed.
I bought my 25 pounds of organic raw honey. I am good for awhile.  | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/4/2007 9:28:27 PM |
your entire post take away from the fact that these bees just want to be bees ? My post takes away nothing. I simply point out some facts, and these have little to do with "bees wanting to be bees". The fact is that honeybees are a commodity. I haven't made them so, it is already the case. The problem is, they have been treated as an inanimate commodity. Any farmer knows that disease in a herd or monoculture will spread like wildfire. If one member of a herd has anthrax, hoof and mouth, or BSE, the whole herd is slaughtered to prevent further spread. I don't know about crops, but I suspect that an outbreak of smut or mosaic virus would lead to herbicide or harvest, and a controlled burn [free burning might carry the infection in the air]. In other words, crowding causes disease outbreaks and rapid spread. Farmers know this. Surely a corporation whose main commodity is live bees should realize this? The problem is not that bees ARE a commodity, it's the fact that someone has lost sight of some of their basic nature. That's easy to fix - don't monoculture them, and don't maintain them in a way which requires shipping semis full of them. Smaller numbers, widely spread, not genetically uniform sounds a whole lot more true to the bees' nature to me. Basically, your entire post completely missed the mark. Even the latter comments about controlling nature - we've been trying to do that for millenia, with varying success. Dams and irrigation? Did that thousands of years ago. Line-breeding of animals and plants to get the traits we want? Millenia ago: pigs, chickens, horses, dogs, wheat, rice...yadayada. Beekeeping for honey and crop management is also not new. It's just not news. What IS new is that, despite our knowledge, there are still numbnuts out there who think they can manage organisms as if they're drygoods. Oops. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/5/2007 8:31:29 AM | Honey bees have been a commodity for hundreds of years...perhaps thousands. Nothing new there. I've seen bumble bees that burrow in the ground, usually a colony, not solitary though. Different kinds of bees have different habits I guess. Their honey production makes it difficult to use them for the purposes of beekeeping though. they make too little from what I understand. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/5/2007 12:16:42 PM | frogO, i for one, thank you for your posts, both of them, and you state so much mor eloquently than i what makes logical sense to me. sadly it isn't just the bees that are a dwindling "commodity" but hang on tight and put your seatbelts on, folks for this is the beginning of a bumpy ride, methinks. while our past variant food sources have been a melting pot of so much to choose from, it's just ridiculous how much disease and ill health is ignored because the powers that be feed the masses crap and get away with it legally. yes, this thread is about bees. but triple threat, have you wondered what else might be involved in the grand scheme of things? i wonder how many other folks are willing to stand up and post what they know to be factual evidence to support just why the bees are leaving, and what else will be following them.
i was shocked this weekend past at the prices on inferior produce i had to choose from. i barely bought anything, preferring to get myself to the local farmer's market. forget convenience. forget lower pricing even, until i cannot help BUT to have no choice except to buy from big industries, or move someplace this can be prolonged. our many choices of so many consumables are sadly dwindling, just like the bees. but in one way, at least it's hopefully getting people to really rethink their own responsibilities toward their consumables choices and future. it's not just about what something costs now, but has much more and further impact than many might even believe or fathom. yes, what we each decide to do DOES matter.
thanks, random, wanna share any o that sweet good honey?!
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| It's all because of Howard Stern's Cousin & his Company !!!!! Posted: 11/6/2007 8:35:15 AM | | Bee-Ceuticals; They're taking all of the honey from the Bee's and using it for Face Cream & Skin Cream for people. And the Bees aren't dumb, I mean; Why work if they aren't going to get paid. Bees need and like Honey, too. If you take it all away, they'll leave and make the honey in places where they can keep it. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/6/2007 8:36:28 AM | I think DouglasinMotown is on to something. They had a show on PBS about this the other day, and I came away with the impression that the reason for hive collapse may be related to the same reason why produce doesn't taste like it should. Overproduction, single use farming, out-of-season crops and other such tactics forced upon nature (and us) by corporate greed. I believe the (wild) bees will be fine, but big bee business (and, as a consequence, other big businesses) will take quite the hit. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/6/2007 8:41:42 AM |
Bee-Ceuticals; They're taking all of the honey from the Bee's and using it for Face Cream & Skin Cream for people. And the Bees aren't dumb, I mean; Why work if they aren't going to get paid. Bees need and like Honey, too. If you take it all away, they'll leave and make the honey in places where they can keep it.
the beehive products companies always leave enough for the bees to use in their hives. they collect the pollen on a screen only when a sufficient amount amasses inside the hive. same with propolis and royal jelly.
and whoever made the comment about bees nesting in the ground: those are not honeybees. honeybees make hives. ground wasps, mud wasps and carpenter bees use other methods of living. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/6/2007 6:42:56 PM | | It sure is weird.... Good thing we have illegals from Mexico we can pay then 50 cents to go around and pollinate the fruits manualy. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/6/2007 8:55:56 PM | Sometimes beekeepers even put sugarwater back in or near the hive and take all the honey. Because the sugar is cheaper than honey.
Of course I'd share my honey with you, Softedge, I haven't turned into a honey-hoarding pooh bear just yet!  | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/7/2007 11:14:00 PM | Do a Google search on GWEN towers+bee population.
This might be part of the problem. | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/7/2007 11:28:03 PM | Maybe the Department of Defense got involved because they thought the virus was put there by terrorists. LOL! I might have to eat my socks if what I just said ends up beeing (pun intended) true! Oh well. They'll be plenty of honey to dip them in.  | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/7/2007 11:57:27 PM | it's multilaterally complex. The causes stream from every vector. Monsanto's ill advised Genetic Modification. EMF waves corruscating from cell phones, towers, cordless phones, electric heating blankets, Wi-Fi, etc...gasoline buring pollution, pollution of every sort - genetic, environmental - physical location and food, electromagnetic, acid rain, etc, etc
This is way beyond the capacities and understanding of the dept of agriculture. See, the big problem is how everything else on earth dies when the bees are gone.
Einstein, although not nearly as amazing as he is pumped up to be, did say something quite intelligent. He said " once the bees are gone, mankind has about 4 years left on this planet"
Happy 2012. How much you wanna bet some scientist will create soy-replacement honey.... Soyney.. mmmm | |
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| why are the bees leaving ? Posted: 11/8/2007 12:19:33 AM | Make that low cal Soyney and we'll make billions! MWAHAHAHA! Stupid bees and their honey. We'll show them!  | |
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