| Immunize or Go to Jail
Posted: 11/18/2007 7:52:26 AM | Nov. 14, 2007
A Maryland school district has ordered parents of more than 2,300 students to court Saturday for failure to immunize their children. The parents could face fines and jail time if they do not appear.
What Should Schools Do When Parents Don't Vaccinate Their Children?
The students, in grades five through 10, will be required to report to court with their parents. While students can expect to be vaccinated before they leave the courthouse, parents will be lectured to by Circuit Court Judge Philip Nichols Jr. on the necessity of vaccination. Those who fail to appear face fines of $50 a day and up to 10 days in jail.
According to Prince George's County Schools spokesman John White, the students were required to receive two shots before Sept. 20: one for hepatitis B and the other for the chickenpox. Parents who did not meet the deadline for both shots were asked not to bring their children to school until they were immunized or provided proof of an immunization appointment.
White said students still continue to show up at school without having received the shots or providing proof of an appointment. The parents were also asked to sign a consent form allowing the schools to provide the necessary vaccinations, White said.
"This shows you how redundant our attempts have been. In many cases kids still have to come to school, and when they come to pick their child up, they are asked if they could sign the consent, and in some cases they don't sign it," said White.
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Failure to Vaccinate May Land Parents in Jail
According to Prince George's County Schools, neglecting to have a child vaccinated is not the norm. Out of 132,000 students in the county school system, 2,300 students have been tardy in meeting the immunization deadline. "The majority of parents have done the right thing," said White.
A Nationwide Survey of Vaccination
Despite discrepancies in state immunization laws, the nationwide vaccination rate is approximately 95 percent, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Dr. William Schaffner, a professor at Vanderbilt University School of Medicine, says that on the whole, "we're doing a very good job vaccinating children." | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 8:24:38 AM | I just had to have my kids immunized for the same diseases. Those immunizations were not required when they were born, and after talking to my doctor I opted out of them.
Hep B is contracted pretty much the same as HIV...mainly through IV drug use and sex. I figured a child is at a pretty low risk to contract that, so my oldest did not get it...until this year when the school required it.
My youngest was given Hep B vaccine as a baby as it was required then. She did not get the varicella vaccine as my doctor said it was not 100% effective against chicken pox and the risks of developing shingles from the vaccine were higher than if she were to actually contract the disease. But by age 11 she had still not gotten chicken pox because everyone else had been vaccinated, so I decided to get it for her. I had chicken pox at age 18 and it is not a fun experience at that age.
I do not, however, feel that the government should prosecute parents who opt out of immunization. It should be a personal choice, and given the risks oftentimes outweigh the benefit, parents should be allowed to exercise their right to choose what is best for their own children.
Right now there is an HPV vaccine available for teenage girls. I opted my teen out of that one because I didn't feel there had been enough research. I'm glad I did, because since my daughter's appointment, there have been many cases of severe complications -including death- associated with HPV vaccination. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 8:49:24 AM | | It is necessary because parents often do not understand disease and confuse the issue with what they suppose is best for their child apart from the group of children as a whole, which of course also relates to the well-being of any one child. Contagious diseases happen to populations as well as individuals, and travel through populations. The person looking at the population will understand the risks and make an informed decision while a parent will sometimes ignore the big picture and calculate the risk as if it could be calculated individually. The fewer children vaccinated, the greater the risk of the diseases, generally, with their being a threshold number below which the odds go up greatly. In the event of an epidemic it is too late to go back and reconsider the risks and choose the wiser option. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 9:06:05 AM |
It is necessary because parents often do not understand disease and confuse the issue with what they suppose is best for their child apart from the group of children as a whole, which of course also relates to the well-being of any one child. Contagious diseases happen to populations as well as individuals, and travel through populations. The person looking at the population will understand the risks and make an informed decision while a parent will sometimes ignore the big picture and calculate the risk as if it could be calculated individually. The fewer children vaccinated, the greater the risk of the diseases, generally, with their being a threshold number below which the odds go up greatly. In the event of an epidemic it is too late to go back and reconsider the risks and choose the wiser option.
Sorry, it's a parents decision, not some well-meaning bureaucrat. I'm not scared of the retro-virus, i'm scared of the other crap they put in vaccines, mercury and other such mystery crap.
Anytime the gov says something is mandatory, something is wrong. I doubt the government has our best interests at heart. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 11:50:05 AM |
Sorry, it's a parents decision, not some well-meaning bureaucrat. I'm not scared of the retro-virus, i'm scared of the other crap they put in vaccines, mercury and other such mystery crap.
Anytime the gov says something is mandatory, something is wrong. I doubt the government has our best interests at heart.
This isn't directed at this poster personally, but I find it interesting how many people are just downright against immunizations. But when you grow up in a world without smallpox, poli and who knows what else, I guess you really don't realize how much immunizations have worked.
But I do think it is the parents decision. If they don't wish to immunize their children fine. Just don't let the kids go to public school since they pose a health threat. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 12:04:34 PM |  If The Inept American GOVERNMENT WANTS TO KILL ALL THE KIDS THAT BAD, THEN THE GOVERNMENT MIGHT AS WELL DRAFT THEM AT BIRTH AND KILL THEM AT WILL...
 I have read all about the Vaccine BULL TINKLE and if it was a No Bainer and safe,Then the Parents would be going along with it,BUT SOMETHING IS UP WITH THIS TAINTED VACCINE!!! This is why The Parents that don't want to see their childeren Die or worse be crippled for life... | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 4:01:48 PM | | Have to agree....children who are not vaccineated DO pose a health threat...so why let them into public schools? A couple weeks at home either being home schooled or the parents forced to pay a sitter would cure a lot of attitude problems with parents that feel immunization is "their choiuce". It is their choice...but it is OUR choice as to whether or not we will allow you to pose a health risk to OUR kids. Teh concensus so far is "No...we won't." So get the kids vaccinated, OR you keep them at home. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 4:10:04 PM | But if your child is vaccinated, what threat does an unvaccinated child really pose?
And I can't say that I would disagree with not allowing them into public schools, although there would bound to be some religious groups that oppose vaccination on faith issues and I don't think even the government can force them to be immunized.
But they aren't talking about kicking the kids out of school...they are talking about fining and jailing parents for not complying. That is wrong. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 4:19:59 PM | If you ever researched the new HPV vaccine, you'd be horrified at the risks. I can't believe a pharmaceutical company can do it's own studies and tests and then get this vaccine on the market. Unbelievable! I will never give my daughter this vaccine...never.
I don't think anybody should be forced to vaccinate - it should be a personal, well informed choice. It sickens me to know that so many people like a herd of cattle...roll up their arms and get injected with vaccines that contain mercury etc. We at the best of times are skeptical of what are government is up too...but why do we so willingly roll up our sleeves and those of our children so they can inject us with stuff.
Yes for all you die hards...I know that some vaccines have saved thousands of lives and improved thousands more.
It will be interesting to see 20 years from now..the affects of these actions. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 4:22:16 PM | It's a PR issue. I mean, how would it look if you have to point out that 40% of your students spent significant time out of class due to illness? Founded or not people are going to think your school is unsanitary.
If those kids are getting sick at school...that's strain on the nurses who have to take care of them until the parents arrive to take them home, that's strain on the janitors who will have to mop & sawdust puke in the halls, that's strain on the bus drivers who have to try to drive dozens of kids home not knowing if any of them are going to be sick... | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 4:28:00 PM | What a crock of shit.
I don't immunize my animals, I wouldn't immunize my kids. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 4:43:31 PM | Diseases naturally die off. When most vaccines where introduced the disease where dieing off, the government should have no say in what i choose to put in my body.
THERE IS NO LAW THAT STATES THAT YOU HAVE TO GET A VACCINE.
WELCOME TO THE POLICE STATE
WELCOME TO PRISON PLANET
Needle and syringe is a great way to get substances into your bloodstream...
...but that's about it!
Do the research yourself, a search engine and some choice terms like, "Vaccines do not prevent", "Vaccine dangers", "Do not Vaccine", "Reason Vaccine Danger", et cetera, will elaborate - or you can develop an understanding of their ineffectiveness by researching statistics of those vaccinated that developed the condition they were vaccinated for, or developed adverse reactions to the chemicals or even the foreign proteins used in the vaccines which the body cannot decipher, which causes mutations in the cells and enzymes that process them, therefore cancer - or research the contents of the world's most famous vaccines and find out that there was no way to separate one virus from 40 other viruses, or that they had been stripped of their genetic identity so that your body's immune system could not detect or identify them, causing long term conditions that in most cases result in death directly linked to this factor. If it doesn't make sense, research how your immune system physically destroys foreign pathogens. The very structures an immune system depends upon being there, are not even included in many modern vaccines - a body, in most cases, for most vaccines, doesn't know how to respond, when taken into consideration the contents of most vaccines ever made.
If you give up before you start,
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/vaccines/index.htm
No Law, NO LAW, NO LAW, KNOW LAW!!!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/141107_no_law.ht | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 9:35:53 PM | Oh god prison planet articles?
No connection has ever been found between vaccines and any form of autism.
All this crap is based on an extremely flawed study which has caused all these wack jobs to be convinced to the point that no medical evidence will ever counter their paranoid delusions.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070716/vaccine_070716/20070716?hub=Health
Flawed research on autism-vaccine link lingers
Jesus people make me sick, you want to return us to a world of Polio and ****ing Small pox. | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 9:41:57 PM | Vaccines caused 9/11
Vacicines killed Laci Peterson
Vaccines framed OJ (both times)
Its true all the facts point to the evilness of Vaccines | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 10:10:47 PM |
Vaccines caused 9/11
Vacicines killed Laci Peterson
Vaccines framed OJ (both times)
Make a documentary and post it on youtube and people will be screaming about the "vaccine, 9/11 pilot link"
100% of the pilots of all three "alleged" airplanes were vacinated. Coincidence? You decide.... | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 11:21:00 PM | Haha, let's all laugh at those stupid conspiracy theorists, especially those desert war veterans with deformed kids and problems - what a bunch of wacko losers!!
Now let's all laugh about my High School teacher who just started spasming out of control and had to be taken away on a stretcher and then retired to never be seen again.
What did they say it was - Agent Orange?
LoL, what a nut job conspiracy theorist.
I swear, some people are just complete morons for not knowing that the government has our best interest in mind.
I'm glad I fit in here with all the cool people on PoF!!!! | |
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Posted: 11/18/2007 11:53:30 PM | Vaccinations are the reason Polio is rare and smallpox is extinct outside of secure labs.
It's amusing to see the ranting about government plots, when what you have is a single local school board making the mandate. Depending on the size of the school district, these are people who are often pretty average and easily voted in or out of their positions.
There is good reason to immunize. Transmissable diseases can wreak havoc on a school and a term's educational value. One child with flu [who SHOULD be immunized] can bring half of the school down with the disease. The child makes the parents and siblings sick, and they make their co-workers or schoolmates sick. It's expensive and crippling. Flu can be fatal. Hepatitis is also worthy of concern, though I know less about it. I DO know that if you wait until your kids are old enough to be sexually active or experimenting with drugs...there's a much better chance that you're too late to immunize. For chickenpox, I'm not so concerned. People have immunized their kids to chickenpox for years by deliberately exposing them to the disease. They get the virus at a younger age, when it's less harmful. I had it. It's annoying, but generally not "harmful". I also had shingles. THAT was far worse, and would have been prevented by chickenpox vaccination.
However, I see little value in forced immunization for these two diseases. Flu, certainly, but as someone already pointed out, the only people who can be infected are those who ALSO are unvaccinated, making it a circular argument. The reverse of this is that immunization will prevent lost time and expense due to disease.
To the nonsense about the harm caused by vaccination:
Vaccinations work. I mentioned smallpox, which is the most obvious example. Polio and flu are next. Polio is very rare because immunization is common. Flu vaccinations have to be updated. Typically, teachers, elderly, and health care workers are routinely vaccinated for flu because they are most likely to contact the infected and catch and spread it. To see what happens without flu vaccination, just look at the 1918 pandemic.
Due vaccinations harm? Occasionally, they do. Just to pick numbers out of my ass [you're welcome to look up the actual figures of course], if you vaccinate 1000 high-risk people for this year's flu, one or two might react to the vaccine. If you do NOT vaccinate these same people, 500 or more might get the disease. Of those, 50 might be seriously ill, including several deaths and maybe a heart transplant. The rationale being offered; then, is let 450 people get sick and 50 be hospitalized. We'll bury five and do open heart surgery on one...all to avoid one person sick from a vaccine sensitivity. Argumentum ad ignoratiam | |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 3:22:54 AM | My mother was one of the last people to get the polio virus.
My mother was hospitalized, it stunted the growth of one of her legs and she has post polio syndrom to this day.
Thankfully my dad and uncle got involved in the polio vaccine pilot project up here. As he says "who knows what could have happened"
As for gulf war syndrom. What the hell makes you think it's not some other factor. You have no freaking idea.
So yah, conspiracy theorists, we're going to keep laughing at you, and maybe make laws so you don't abuse your kids by having them end up with something like mumps. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 4:00:46 AM |
Thankfully my dad and uncle got involved in the polio vaccine pilot project up here. As he says "who knows what could have happened"
Please elaborate Charles..
Thanks | |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 4:17:48 AM | When i was born, many moons ago  , babies that were premature (i was 5 weeks early) and subsequently poorly were often not immunised due to scaremongering over the vaccinations and the possible effects on premature babies.
I have had Mumps - Couldnt eat for 3 weeks and even now when i am unwell my glands are always affected.
I have had German Measles - Luckily i didnt infect any pregnant women with it or their babies could have been born blind.
I have had whooping cough - chronically ill at the age of 18 months and every cold i have ever had ALWAYS goes to my chest and makes me quite unwell.
All parents should immunise their kids! End of! | |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 4:28:06 AM |
I don't immunize my animals, I wouldn't immunize my kids.
Then homeschool and don't send your kids to a public school where they can potentially pass serious illnesses on to other children. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 4:30:29 AM |
What a crock of shit.
I don't immunize my animals, I wouldn't immunize my kids.
Measels can kill
Mumps can make a male infertile
Rubella can cause blindness in the unborn child of a pregnant woman
Polio causes (sorry) disfigurement a whole lot more complications
Nice to know that anyone would put their child and other people at the risk of the above. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 4:50:48 AM |
Sorry, it's a parents decision, not some well-meaning bureaucrat. I'm not scared of the retro-virus, i'm scared of the other crap they put in vaccines, mercury and other such mystery crap.
Anytime the gov says something is mandatory, something is wrong. I doubt the government has our best interests at heart
Yeah, how dare they try to avoid massive health care costs! How dare they try to keep you healthy. There is no link between vaccination and any disease. And I would like to mention that pure mercury (Mg) cannot be uptaken in any meaningful quantities by the human body (ie : you will piss it out).
Vaccination is safe, and effective in every case I've seen. I admit, I haven't looked at the HPV vacine. But about 10 minutes on scholars portal and... It is effective at what it does, but the duration of protection is questionable, and like the flu vaccine, it is not effective against all strains.
I know people don't want to trust big business, but the fear of vaccines is irrational and unfounded.They truly are a medical miracle. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 7:54:14 AM | | The government is not one monolithic evil entity aimed at ruining your life, no matter what the Republicans who are running for government like to say. The defense department is not the same as the department of health. The war planners who develop biological weapons have a different agenda than the medical professionals whose concern is the safety and well-being of school children. It is extra ignorant to say the word "government" as if it was all one thing and evil. That you are afraid of the government and equate a vaccine with Agent Orange is entertaining but also sad. | |
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