| You have got to be kidding me.... [CLOSED Thread]
Posted: 11/21/2007 2:06:16 PM | | Seriously, a thread just got deleted because it was positive?? The worst part is there is NO one that I can write to ask why it was deleted even though it was done by a moderator. it had been active for 3 days and had 4 pages to it. People were enjoying it and it was about being thankful for the nice people we meet here. Who can I contact for an explanation?? I just lost a lot of respect for this site by this event. I understand when users vote to delete posts... but like I said this was a physical delete. http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts8714153.aspx | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 2:11:06 PM | Perhaps it turned into a chat thread? That tends to happen when there's no controversy to discuss...
Human nature I guess... | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 2:11:30 PM | | No, it was not a chat thread. People were still posting. Not to mention I was thanked by many regulars in it for posting something positive for them to enjoy. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 2:13:30 PM | Sherilyn: I didn't see the thread you're talking about, but I can hazard a few guesses for you as to why it may have been deleted.
1.) If a thread is that long and gets deleted, it's usually because a few people have gotten ugly.
2.) I had a "positive" thread get deleted because it turned into a protest by a few people who didn't like that I wanted to talk positively about the opposite sex.
3.) It may have become a chat thread.
The thing is, don't blame it on the site/moderators/admin, blame it on whoever was on the thread breaking rules. It sometimes happens that a thread gets deleted and you're left shaking your head about why, but that's life. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 2:15:12 PM | They could at least bother to give an explanation then.
trappedonbayst deleted it. It had 89 posts and 2543 views. The last post was Today @ 4:06 PM by trixsterjl.
There was nothing ugly in it and it wasn't a chat thread. I can blame the mods on this one becuase I'm sorry... it didn't violate any of the forum rules. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 2:17:03 PM |
I can blame the mods on this one becuase I'm sorry... it didn't violate any of the forum rules. Lemme guess... you also think this thread doesn't violate any forum rules too huh?
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Posted: 11/21/2007 2:20:18 PM | | You know what... I know it does but I can't even email the mod that did this. So what else can I do? Sit there and just accept it? If they gave you an explanation in the Deleted Thread section then it would answer the question. If they generated an automatic email with a reason it would also answer it. If they actually allowed you to email the person that did it for an answer would be reasonable as well. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 2:38:54 PM |
but I can't even email the mod that did this. So what else can I do?
I don't see why not. Trapped does not have any filters enabled that would prevent users from contacting him. The only thing that would prevent an email going through is if he, for whatever reason deemed that he had to block you from further contact.
Either way, mods don't just go around and delete threads for being positive. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 2:46:00 PM |
trappedonbayst deleted it. It had 89 posts and 2543 views 
I can't even email the mod that did this bullshit
The forum moderators have no message restrictions on their accounts.
(Unless, that particular mod had a reason to personally block you?
In which case, I'd guess that maybe the mod isn't the person who's the problem the problem.)
In fact, the forum posting guidelines indicate that these disputes are to be discussed privately with moderators and not complained about publicly | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 2:48:39 PM | | When I try to get his profile it will not let me see it. The option to view it is blocked in any posts he has made. Does someone have a link to his profile that works? | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 3:33:05 PM | | Sherilyn: I think you're getting a little too inflamed about this...think about how many threads are on here...if the moderators went through the trouble of emailing everyone whose thread got deleted, they'd have to quit their jobs and never leave their homes. The threads gone, move on with life. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 4:01:25 PM |
It had 89 posts and 2543 views.
I read that thread. It was entitled "Why are all the men so nice to me?" The opening post (I remember) said something to the effect that it was time to counter the negativity on the forums and post something positive. My first reaction was that it might even be seen as a subtle protest of some sort. I decided to watch and see the outcome.
It was deleted due to redundancy. The new idea is to crack down on redundant threads and the emphasis is to identify people who start them.
Now don't kill the messenger here. I am not a mod and just an equal user like anyone else. I just happened to have read the thread and noticed it was voted for deletion due to redundancy. In an attempt to learn about what constitutes a redundant thread (because I am a newbie here), and using that thread as a random selection to investigate, I did a thread search and found that in general, threads about nice guys and guys being nice to women and nice messages and so forth were quite prolific. This told me that the thread probably would be considered to be another "nice guy thread" so I watched to see what would happen and sure enough, as soon as the count got up bit, the mod deleted it - probably because of redundancy.
You should be aware that there is a new push on to eliminate redundant threads that has happened in the last few days. At the time I was watching, there were about four mods working at once. I am just guessing, but I'd say they have an edict to try to identify who is starting redundant threads and Admin is trying to come up with a way to identify said people automatically with some sort of tracking system.
That is the skinny on the situation and I am not accusing you of any wrong doing. Don't kill the messenger here. I didn't vote on that thread - I just happened to be there watching at the time; was bored; and was learning. You could not expect for that to happen with every thread. You are lucky to have this explanation.
You're welcome. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 4:20:46 PM | How can one vote to delete a thread when it's been up for 3 days? Just curious about that one... and the original deletion clickers marked it for "trolling" lol. But how is a thread saying you're thankful redundant? there is a severe lack of those in the forums. :) As for identifying people that start them, I've only started 4 threads ever in my history here. So I don't think that that was the actual reason.
Eldubu1, if you look at the deleted thread history they really don't delete that many of them. I don't think it's too much to ask... most are auto deleted. A manual delete should have an explanation somewhere. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 4:29:30 PM | I can blame the mods on this one becuase I'm sorry... it didn't violate any of the forum rules.
Until I/we've had a look at it, that means absolutely nothing. If anything is under Question at all, it would be your understanding of the Forum Rules. More than likely it was yet another redundant Thread.
I know it does but I can't even email the mod that did this. So what else can I do? Sit there and just accept it?
If they gave you an explanation in the Deleted Thread section then it would answer the question.
There are no Explanations, no such Bureaucracy in the Works either.
We don't have Time for that.
If they generated an automatic email with a reason it would also answer it.
Something on that Order could be implemented by the Admin in Respect to User Voting, doesn't mean its necessarily accurate or true, but could be done. There are however some rather huge gaping Holes for Abuse, so not likely we are gonna see that.
If they actually allowed you to email the person that did it for an answer would be reasonable as well.
No Time for that. We are dealing with at least hundreds of Threads daily.
Seriously, a thread just got deleted because it was positive??
There is no Voting Option, nor any Criteria for Deletion whether a Thread is Positive or Negative.
(Unless, that particular mod had a reason to personally block you?
By the Time they have been E-Mail blocked, they have usually already been long banned.
Further, she'd get a Message to the Extent an E-Mail block is in Place.
When I try to get his profile it will not let me see it. The option to view it is blocked in any posts he has made. Does someone have a link to his profile that works?
First Time I heard of this.
I read that thread. It was entitled "Why are all the men so nice to me?"
Redundant. Start to expect Vacation Time for these Done to Death Topics if you simply insist on not searching for an existing Thread on the same Topic.
I am just guessing, but I'd say they have an edict to try to identify who is starting redundant threads and Admin is trying to come up with a way to identify said people automatically with some sort of tracking system.
Hopefully the Admin will be able to implement yet another Feature ... complete Revocation of New Thread Creation Privileges. Banning People is a little heavy-handed under most Circumstances, but necessary to keep the Forums On-Track. Yesterday I deleted over 75 Threads on the same Topic all created within the last 6 Months, and that doesn't even incl. those toasted by User Voting and the usual Moderator Clean-ups.
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Posted: 11/21/2007 4:38:34 PM | | I have to say that in my 15 years of posting in forums/bbs I am amazed at how much thread necromancy is encouraged here. :) That jsut isn't considered good forum etiquette in most parts of the internet. There really wasn't anything like that thread from I'd seen in the last months. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 4:47:33 PM |
That jsut isn't considered good forum etiquette in most parts of the internet. so maybe you should go back to whatever part of the internet that b1tching, whining, and insisting that site rules shouldn't apply to you, is considered good etiquitte? | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 4:52:13 PM |
so maybe you should go back to whatever part of the internet that b1tching, whining, and insisting that site rules shouldn't apply to you, is considered good etiquitte?
It would appear that is here based on your reaction. I asked for an answer, I got one. I do still disagree that it was redundant... and I disagree with thread necromancy. But did you see me complain and say it wasn't fair to his response? Or that it should be reinstated? There is no reason to attack me. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 4:59:34 PM | I have to say that in my 15 years of posting in forums/bbs I am amazed at how much thread necromancy is encouraged here. :)
This is not a BBS or USENET. Their Forums are mismanaged, disorganized and next to useless searchable Databases, nor do the Majority even qualify as Forums as they do not even adhere to the original Definition of it. The Bulk of them are merely Quasi Chatrooms run over by Trolls, nothing we care to aspire to. Further, this is now one of the largest fully-moderated Forums in the World, and will only keep growing as long as its searchable Database remains valuable.
We are growing by Leaps and Bounds, USENET is dying ... the BBS, for all Intents & Purposes ... Dead !!!
That just isn't considered good forum etiquette in most parts of the internet.
Etiquette has nothing to do with Thread Redundancy.
There really wasn't anything like that thread from I'd seen in the last months.
Like them? You mean your redundant Thread wasn't like the other redundant Threads?
I disagree with thread necromancy
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Posted: 11/21/2007 4:59:40 PM |
How can one vote to delete a thread when it's been up for 3 days? Just curious about that one... and the original deletion clickers marked it for "trolling"
Okay. Perhaps I confused your thread with a similar one that had the "redundant" voting instead of the "troll" voting but I did see yours disappear. Perhaps that is why the mod deleted it, because the voters were judging it for the wrong reason and he decided it was clearly redundant??
As for three days, I have watched some threads for a week or more just to learn, even though not posting in them myself. It is a great way to get a feel for how things work and me being an IT type like yourself, I am sure you can understand how tracking trends and patterns can give a lot of insight into an analysis. That is what we geeks do, right?
One thing I have leaned that you may not be aware of.... I thought the same as you the first time I saw it. The vote reason that says "Troll" is combined with the reason of "Attention Seeking" so it is a toss up I suppose as to whether a thread is there to get a negative reaction (trolling) or to get a positive reaction (attention seeking). | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 5:05:02 PM | Ticket, I really don't want to get into a debate... but I just did a search and only found one thread like it that was over a month old. It's not a common subject that I had brought up here. I realize you probably never even saw the thread as you are not the one that deleted it... but I assure you that it really was unique in comparison to most of the things posted here. :)
Now the only reason I brought up BBS was because I said 15 years, I didn't wnt anyone else to challenge me on how I could have been posting that long in forums. I've also moderated boards of this size so I do understand what you have to do on a regular basis, and I guess I'm just surprised that the software itself does not support generating an email to the end user when a thread is deleted or that a prompt is not available to state why it is being deleted. Even to delete your own posts you have to enter a reason why that I am sure most show up somewhere. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 5:30:30 PM | Even to delete your own posts you have to enter a reason why that I am sure most show up somewhere.
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I'm just surprised that the software itself does not support generating an email to the end user when a thread is deleted or that a prompt is not available to state why it is being deleted.
As I have mentioned above, or within the Links I had posted, it is possible for the Admin to code Reasons for Deletion. But there is also another Arena of Abuse that the BBS never cared to address or remedy, and is one of the Reasons USENET came about. Unable to get a Grasp on Trolls overrunning and destroying every USENET Forum, its been a long-term sinking Ship too.
Here, some Users will inevitably create Threads entirely for "Testing" Purposes and other bizarre Reasons, another Type of Nuisance we don't care to run after. If/When the Admin sets New Thread Creations down to 1 a Day to curb Abuse even further, such Avenues can be explored as we would only have to deal with a Fraction of the Trash we have to clean up now, which is yet another Reason why redundant Threads have to be deleted ... so the Forums can be moderated. |
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| You have got to be kidding me....
Posted: 11/21/2007 5:50:38 PM |
When I try to get his profile it will not let me see it. The option to view it is blocked in any posts he has made. Does someone have a link to his profile that works?
my profile is totally accessible via the forum link below my picture (View Profile ) , I have no restrictions period, and you're not blocked.
(no reason to block you as that distinguished honour is set aside for complete abusive idiots and is used very sparingly)
Link to my profile, click there --> Trappedonbayst
or also available here --> All Your Moderators
Apart from that, you won't get any answers other than what has been presented above.
I don't even recall what the thread was (See FAQ that is at the top of every forum)
However, you can still email me to discuss.
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Posted: 11/21/2007 7:59:53 PM | Thanks guys, I do appreciate the answers. There isn't any further need to discuss it. I admit I was upset when I saw a thread that so many had thanked me for creating deleted. I think it especially hurt because I had poured out a bit of myself in it discussing my mothers cancer in it and how she is going to be dying in the next few years. I know it was not personal on your side, but when I started reading and looking for an answer and it made me even more frustrated when I saw it telling me that no one will care or talk about it or even has to own up to it. Clearly you two have shown me that those cold hard words in the "why was my thread deleted" section aren't who you really are and I appreciate that it has been discussed maturely like this.
Feel free to delete this thread, it doesn't really belong here.
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