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 exodusi1

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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/23/2007 11:50:33 PM
Associated Press
Nov. 23, 2007 05:56 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1123immig-rescuer1123-ON.html

A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.

The woman died a short time later.

“He stayed with him, told him that everything was going to be all right,” Estrada said.

As temperatures dropped, he gave him a jacket, built a bonfire and stayed with him until about 8 a.m. Friday, when hunters passed by and called authorities, Estrada said. The boy was flown to University Medical Center in Tucson as a precaution but appeared unhurt.

Cordova was taken into custody by Border Patrol agents, who were the first to respond to the call for help. He had been trying to walk into the U.S. when he came across the boy.

The boy and his mother were in the area camping, Estrada said. The woman's husband, the boy's father, had died only two months ago. The names of the woman and her son were not being released until relatives were notified.

Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.

“They do get demonized for a lot of reasons, and they do a lot of good. Obviously this is one example of what an individual can do,” he said.


Does this change anyone's opinion about immigrants, illegal or otherwise? I want to make illegal immigration more difficult, but I want more legal immigration. Moreover, how ironic that it was an immigrant named Jesus that saved the child.
 B-sides

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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 12:08:35 AM
They should let him stay and fix him up with a nice apartment and employment if he wants it. You won't hear Bill O'riley mention this story.
 Thorondor

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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 12:18:16 AM
I think that too often illegal immigrants are seen as horrible people who are just trying to mooch off of Western government's support systems, but I think that most illegal immigrants are fundamentally very good people, but people who are in such a poor and desperate situation that they are forced to either live in poverty and destitution, or immigrate illegally. I hope that this case helps people to realize that illegal immigrants are not hearltess criminals, but rather good, but desperate, people who will do the right thing when given the chance. I too think that this man should be allowed legal access to the U.S.
 serenityCW

Joined: 1/21/2006
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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 12:23:19 AM
i think it's a wonderful story and about time someone on pof said something positive. this man put this boy's life before his own, as i am sure many of us would do. i wonder why he came here and about his family. does anyone know and is anyone taking a collection to help him? i know he has to go back to mexico, but it would be nice to contribute to his life, as he did for the boy. also i hope he is not incarcerated for his "illegality" , aside from his return. maybe this could be brought to a public relations group to make the story more known.

i agree there has to be more legal means, not only for mexicans to come here--but for americans to go there. many here could offer levels of expertise to those there and help train the people to help their own country. it's a lot easier for us to travel to mexico than it is to go abroad and work. also many americans retire in mexico. whether this goes against the plans of "the rich and powerful" remains to be seen. they just love to keep the "peons" fighting amongst themselves.
 acranger

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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 1:02:52 AM
I think this is a good story and the guy deserves recognition.

But to make some sort of comprehensive assessment on illegal immigration based on this case makes little sense.

Conversely, making the same sort of assessments based on the criminal actions of one individual doesnt make much sense either.


Want to stop illegal immigration? Go after the employers, plain and simple.

My proposal is to fine companies for employing illegal immigrants.

If your business has 1-24 employees the fine is $5000 per illegal

25-100 employees: $25000 per illegal

more than 100: $50,000 per illegal.

Businesses would be agressively investigated after a specified grace period. Have illegals working after the grace period, get fined.

Can't afford the fine? Seizure and auction of the business.



If there weren't an abundance of jobs here for them, they wouldn't be coming.


ACRanger 2012
 davidb23

Joined: 12/18/2006
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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 1:33:06 AM
all i have to say about illegal immigration is nothing new,if you want to be technical about it i bet all of our ancestors were illegals at one time back in history,half the buildings you see in big cities were probably built by illegals,and the majority of jobs they do these days the average american would not want,i sure as hell would'nt want to pick vegetables in the hot sun in fields allday long,it would be just downright,unbearable work,some are moving up in the world and working at factories and some department stores,but if they were to really take jobs of value from us they would have to learn the language,and if they go through that much trouble and effort ,they have earned the right to citizenship,as long as they are'nt over here causing trouble i could give a rat's @$$ what they do,maybe some people that would immigrate here could be dangerous to us and our people,but mexican people are not over here to try and blow us up,they want to work,give them credit for something,we have some people in our country that don't want to work and are on heavy drugs,and robbing and shooting people,those are the people we should be concerned with,how about cleaning up our streets?that would be a better goal than worrying about people who want to come in our country and work illegally.
 acranger

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Posted: 11/24/2007 1:40:57 AM
The problem is that a lot of illegals are no longer content to pick vegatables or cut grass.

Back in the day a man could support his family working at a slaughterhouse. Not anymore.

All through the Southwest the influx of illegals have driven down electricians, plumbers, carpenters and HVAC workers wages, amongst others.
 exodusi1

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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 2:03:22 AM
Actually, I agree that illegal immigration is a serious issue, though I don't think it is nearly as serious as some would want you to believe. However, I just wanted to point out that some are willing to sacrifice their own ambitions, needs, hope, to save a child.

He could have simply went by. . .

He had to know it meant he would be sent home.

That's courage and compassion all rolled into one aptly named individual.
 raychass

Joined: 8/10/2007
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Posted: 11/24/2007 2:17:36 AM
Well being a Canadian obviously we don't have the same problem of Mexicans sneaking over the border . Why are they demonized though ? I don't think Mexicans are any worse then anyone else out there. Certainly there are good people among immigrants just like there are good people everywhere.They would not be leaving their own country unless their circumstances made living conditions in their own country unbearable.

The jobs they come to the states to do are not jobs that the average American citizen would ever consider doing. They are out in the fields picking fruits and vegetables which is back breaking monotonous work .I know i did it for one summer when i was a teen. You make next to nothing at it too. That or they are the underpaid nannies , housekeepers , groundskeepers etc... that no one else would do for the money they are getting paid.

Certainly giving out big fines to employers who are employing illegal immigrants would be a deterrent to employers , but i don't think it would stop it. The wealthy want to remain wealthy and paying others to do what they consider menial work for next to nothing helps them remain wealthy .
 Dreaming_of_You

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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 3:46:08 AM
It's 2:40 am here and I thought this might have some kind of intelligent point or something, but it's like children's logic.

There's a lot more stories in the papers about dogs saving people's lives than illegal immigrants, does that mean everyone should own 50 dogs?

I mean really the only point I can see the OP must have is that he is trying to prove illegal immigrants are not inhuman - what next a story about a black cop who helped his white partner (*gasp!)?

What are you trying to say here ?

Illegal immigration laws serve a purpose.

See there's this thing where if you replace the working class of your country with uneducated foreigners that don't want to assimilate your country collapses.

This only matters if you care about the particular country you're in, but if you're a globalist organization that operates like a parasite (with bases all over the world) its just a way to reap profits.

It really makes you think when people are sending their children out to die so that Iraqi's can eat Big Macs and drive busted up Fords while listening to P-Diddy.

Now if you don't mind I have to get back to reading Paris Hilton's newest book: Making it in America, The Complete Idiot's Guide to Becoming an Internet Whore.
 anyoneoutthier

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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 4:35:21 AM
It was human of him to stay and i think the gov. should help to make him legal but that is besides the point he is illegal and that is a crime so what he did does not make what he did right. black is black white is white one wrong dont make it right.
 Montreal_Guy

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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 7:06:25 AM

Want to stop illegal immigration? Go after the employers, plain and simple.

My proposal is to fine companies for employing illegal immigrants.

If your business has 1-24 employees the fine is $5000 per illegal

25-100 employees: $25000 per illegal

more than 100: $50,000 per illegal.

Businesses would be agressively investigated after a specified grace period. Have illegals working after the grace period, get fined.

Can't afford the fine? Seizure and auction of the business.


I suggest when you get back stateside - you run for office.

I'm assuming this guy will be immediately picked up and deported for his actions.
 NateC

Joined: 4/10/2006
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Posted: 11/24/2007 7:17:40 AM
raychass, they're demonised because they migrate to the US en masse, pretty much. The estimates are quite high (al;though they're more than likely ballooned, but that isn't the point).

Illegal immigration causes a drain on the social services because social services are rationed - just look at EI here in Canada.

Furthermore, it's the principle. There are laws that exist. They aren't being enforced, and the current government plan is to build a fence that takes several hours to make an 8' x 16' section and only 3 minutes to circumvent which shows the government's lack of sincerity.
 etourdi

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Posted: 11/24/2007 7:24:14 AM
Does this change anyone's opinion about immigrants, illegal or otherwise?No! One act of kindness is not indicative of the mindset and intentions of all illegals.


You won't hear Bill O'riley mention this story
probably not but you will probably see it everywhere else. What that man did was the right thing to do nothing more nothing less.


though I don't think it is nearly as serious as some would want you to believe
thats easy for you to say Canada has approximately 200,000 illegal immigrants. America has over 12 million.
The problem with the illegal immigrant situation is that Americans are in denial. The majority of illegals who have been in America a while will not work for anything less than minimum wage most work only for more. It is still cheaper for companies to hire illegals and pay them a decent wage because the companies dont have to pay the taxes and insurance for them. The image that is being put out there that illegals are forced to work for such low wages is propoganda. I know from personal experience. I had a company in Florida and I was approached daily by illegals that wanted to work.They told me they wouldnt work for less than ten dollars an hour. I know some people who have a roofing company they pay their illegals 12 to 15 dollars an hour.So this image that we have of illegals being such cheap labor and being exploited is propganda pepretrated by those who want amnesty for the illegals.The ones who suffer are not the illegals as they end up with more disposable income because they don't pay income taxes it is the lower middle class who suffers. American citizens have their wages brought down by illegals and the citizens have to pay taxes and social security on their income.


They are out in the fields picking fruits and vegetables which is back breaking monotonous work
Do you really think all 12 million are in the fields picking fruits and vegetables? this is more propoganda like all the fruit and vegetables in America are picked by illegals and we couldn't do without them....
 Politically INCORRECT

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Posted: 11/24/2007 7:28:05 AM

I had a company in Florida and I was approached daily by illegals that wanted to work.They told me they wouldnt work for less than ten dollars an hour. I know some people who have a roofing company they pay their illegals 12 to 15 dollars an hour.So this image that we have of illegals being such cheap labor and being exploited is propganda pepretrated by those who want amnesty for the illegals.

...still saves businesses a bundle though doesn't it?
 raychass

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Posted: 11/24/2007 8:39:55 AM
No i don't think all 12 million are out picking in the fields. That was only one of the jobs i was talking about.They are doing all sorts of jobs where they don't have to be paid the same as the average American . Please don't put words in my mouth.
 etourdi

Joined: 7/19/2007
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Posted: 11/24/2007 9:56:58 AM
My point is that the illegals are not limited to all the undesirable low paying jobs,they do construction,drywall, masonry, paving, cement work, satellite installation, cable installation, roofing,carpet installation and many other jobs that pay them much more than minmum wage. All of these type jobs are being taken away from American citizens because employers dont have to pay workmans comp , taxes or benefits for the illegals.So all of the Americans who used to do these jobs can't compete. I am sick of everyone trying to say that illegals only take the jobs that Americans are to lazy to do that is a bunch of crap. Can Americans not do math? the illegals are not being paid less, THE EMPLOYERS ARE PAYING LESS!....see it works like this for an employer to pay an employee 10$ per hour he ends up paying about 15$ or more per hour when you factor in the taxes and workmans comp not to mention benefits... so he pays the illegal the same 10$ per hour that he would pay a citizen and he saves 5$ per hour.The illegal doesn't pay income tax or social security or anything so he has 10$ per hour of disposable income..NOW FOR THE POOR EXPOITED ILLEGAL TO TAKE HOME 10$ PER HOUR, IF HE PAID INCOME TAXES HE WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID ABOUT 14$ PER HOUR........come on people use your brains....
 jerry boucher

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Posted: 11/24/2007 10:07:11 AM
They are all named Jesus or Pedro this story does not change my opinion about illegal aliens one bit. I lived for 7 yrs on the Mexican border and i can tell you for every honest one that sneaks across theres 3 crooks. Why do you think our prison population is 30% illegals.
 Politically INCORRECT

Joined: 8/14/2007
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Posted: 11/24/2007 10:11:20 AM

........come on people use your brains....

That's why some are businessmen...and others, workers.
That is the way of the world, dodging "Uncle Sam" / "RevCan...the delightful means of beating the government at its' own game.

lol...Inter/ National Past time.
 raychass

Joined: 8/10/2007
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Posted: 11/24/2007 10:13:10 AM
Certainly giving out big fines to employers who are employing illegal immigrants would be a deterrent to employers , but i don't think it would stop it. The wealthy want to remain wealthy and paying others to do what they consider menial work for next to nothing helps them remain wealthy .



Apparently you missed this part of my post .You seem to think i don't realize that it is cheaper for companies to hire people who are here illegally. I can assure you i do. As i said giving out big fines would be a deterrent ,but it would not stop them. Obviously if they hire illegals they will save money which is good for them . These employers are using their brains . They know they can pay less in the end by hiring someone who is in a country illegally.

Yes they are doing all sorts of jobs ,but they are still the ones who primarily are taking the low paying , back breaking jobs that no one else wants. The people who hire them do so because they want to save money . After all they are in another country illegally so who are they going to complain too?


They are all named Jesus or Pedro


What a unintelligant generalization. Oh yeah i am sure every Mexican is named Jesus or Pedro .
 Not_a_FAT_Slob

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Posted: 11/24/2007 10:13:25 AM

All through the Southwest the influx of illegals have driven down electricians, plumbers, carpenters and HVAC workers wages, amongst others.


I am in the trucking industry off and on. Less than a year from now, cross border truckers from both Canada and the US will need a passport to cross. I was against it at first, but now I think it is a great idea. In the past, the border guards just asked for my citizenship and for my drivers license. Illegals won't be able to get a passport. I have no idea if illegal aliens work in the trucking industry who don't cross the border.

You can stop this in its tracks if licensing was mandatory in these trades and if you had to show proof of citizenship to get the license.

It is a touching story, but you don't give somebody a house paid by the government (taxpayers) or government (taxpayers) money for breaking the law. It is a slap in the face to people who work their whole lives paying their taxes. Now if the family of the dead woman wants to do something nice for this illegal person, that is fine.
 whitetigeress

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Posted: 11/24/2007 10:48:07 AM
it would make sense for the family to sponsor jesus or at least someone who have allowed this incident to touch them so

hoping good karma follows him
 Byrd

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Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 9:22:55 PM
Wow That's quite a story..I know a few illegals like that..Like everyone else there's good and bad in everyone with enough media attention maybe this guy would be encouraged to go through the right legal channels to become an American citizen..And prehaps he will get help in his own country..I don't feel any differently about Mexican's I really enjoyed working with them as a young buck..You really knew your worth as a laborer when you could keep up with one of those fella's...I had alot of good times.
 ipfreak

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Posted: 11/24/2007 9:56:08 PM

Cordova likely saved the boy, Estrada said, and his actions should remind people not to quickly characterize illegal immigrants as criminals.


likely? Cordova did save that kid's life, according the printed story!!!

great story!
 acm007

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Posted: 11/24/2007 10:29:31 PM

“They do get demonized for a lot of reasons, and they do a lot of good. Obviously this is one example of what an individual can do,” he said.


Yeah, one example... That's all anyone can find... The vast majority of the ones who get their "5 minutes of fame" do so because they either robbed or murdered or DUI killed someone.

It's not surprising that most of the nations top Most Wanted criminals are illegal aliens. And most of them are not simply wanted for illegally entering the country. There's a line that you are SUPPOSED to wait in before coming into this country. NO ONE should EVER be allowed to get in without first standing in line, like the decent folks do.

Deport him, along with the rest of the illegal scum-bags in the US.

Note: I don't care if they are from Turkey, Lithuania, Denmark or China; if they are here illegally they need to LEAVE!

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