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 princess leigh

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Posted: 11/29/2007 3:15:45 PM
ermmm..... ok in the United Kingdom... Ilegal...fullstop..... and I agree.... but my question is... over the pond where it is legal or normal to have one for survial... do you really feel safe? the thought of having a leathal weapon in my home would terrify me and if I felt the need to have such a thing in my home for safety then I would consider moving..... we are not allowed such weapons here.. but for you who are... would you use it? and would you feel ok about it? .... is it not a dangerous thing to own.... especially single mums.... which I know for a fact at least 3 ladies on here have a gun and will use it..... OMG..... if this is the case... I could never live over the pond... to scarey
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Posted: 11/29/2007 4:42:25 PM
Unfortunately, due to the issue of loved ones being shot, I keep mine well locked away with ammo and clip seperately. Danger is all dependent on your mindset and your ability to be cautious and unrattled. I passed the firearms safety test with the highest score of my group.

In the right, situation, yes, I would use it. But truth be it told an intruder would probably see one of my razor sharp kitchen knifes first. The sashimi knife looks perfect. Thin and very long it would surely puncture through most of any internal organ hit in even the most padded and fattened intruders.

The laws vary per state. In my state killing is not justified unless you are in fear of your very life. You can not kill someone just for entering. You can not kill an intruder just for burglary. You can in New York state. You could hold them by gunpoint.

Scarey? USA? Going to Israel or Palestine or the Gaza Strip would scare me. I don't know how those people do it.
 whothehellknows

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Posted: 11/29/2007 5:32:12 PM
I would be scared to live some place where only criminals could own firearms. As a law abiding citizen I think I should be allowed to own a firearm if I so choose.

If I had children I would probably reconsider owning firearms, and at the very least I would lock it away.

But as it is, I own several firearms and they pose no threat whatsoever to anyone who doesn't pose a threat to me. Unless you break into my house or try to carjack me, you would never know. But if you do, I will shoot to kill and swear I was in fear for my life.
 princess leigh

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Posted: 11/29/2007 5:45:32 PM

But as it is, I own several firearms and they pose no threat whatsoever to anyone who doesn't pose a threat to me. Unless you break into my house or try to carjack me, you would never know. But if you do, I will shoot to kill and swear I was in fear for my life.


thank gawd I am not american.... to scary


 whothehellknows

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Posted: 11/29/2007 5:58:11 PM

But as it is, I own several firearms and they pose no threat whatsoever to anyone who doesn't pose a threat to me. Unless you break into my house or try to carjack me, you would never know. But if you do, I will shoot to kill and swear I was in fear for my life.

thank gawd I am not american.... to scary



Well if you wish to be a helpless victim and allow people to rob, rape, and murder while hoping the police will protect you, more power to you. Myself though, I will take whatever means I find necessary to protect myself and my home. Like I said, don't threaten me and you would never know I own firearms. But if someone breaks into my house, I have 30 rounds of 7.62x39 ready for them. If someone tries to carjack me, I only have 9 shots of .45 there.
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Posted: 11/29/2007 7:03:36 PM

But if you do, I will shoot to kill and swear I was in fear for my life.


It is not that simple. You could still be charged with murder. Look at all the victims of domestic abuse who still go to prison even if they were in fear of their life. You have to show restraint, not aggression. You're not a cop you're not gonna get away with killing some one that easily. Most need at least proof and injuries of a struggle to be believable. In my state it has to be the last resort of a civilized man. Your speech hasnt sold me on your restraint.
 dbndon

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Posted: 11/29/2007 7:07:18 PM
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Scary? Yes, I suppose most things that are unknown can be scary to some people.

But, a gun is just a tool. Some men have different sized hammers in their toolbox and other men have different sized guns in their homes. It all depends on what you need. Myself, I have altogether too many handguns around my apartment. Some are loaded and at the ready, most are cleaned and put away.

Here at my desk, there is a little one in the top drawer that has probably been pointed at me for two years. But, I feel very confident that it cannot itself load a shell into the chamber and fire. That requires human intervention. The same thing applies with the larger handgun in the bottom drawer. It too has been there for two years, at rest, and perfectly safe in its current state.

Interestingly enough, the last time the handgun I carry was used was late one night in a grocery store by a police officer. Walking up an isle towards the front of the store, I noticed an armed robbery in progress and stopped. I removed my handgun from under my winter coat and set it in the cart’s basket where it was easy to reach but I stayed back where I could watch undetected. Suddenly, there was a tap on my shoulder and a police badge in my face. She (the officer) asked if I were also the police, even though I’m too old for that -- however, I carry the same weapon they do. Turns out, she was not armed while out shopping but she had a cell phone. So, we traded and I called it in and then stayed in the background giving the officers outside a running commentary of what was happening inside. And so, one young woman officer was well commended for her actions in that arrest and no one ever needed to know that she was using my handgun that night.

A gun is just a tool. Sure, it’s a tool you hope you never have to use. But, when you need it, it’s a really good tool to have available.

Over the years I’ve taught many people how to shoot properly -- especially single women living alone with children. Sometimes I have also helped them get permits to carry a handgun concealed. Everyone I know has at least one gun at home and at least half of the men (and some of the women) I know are licensed to carry a concealed handgun with them. At no time has any person ever been shot inappropriately by any of these guns. In fact, we have many thousands of people in this state, and others nearby states, authorized to carry a gun concealed and there is never a problem.

On the other hand, countries that ban personal arms have a big home invasion problem. Here, that could be a very poor choice for the bad guys, so we seldom hear of that.

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 kimsy

Joined: 11/22/2006
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Posted: 11/29/2007 8:31:28 PM
princess leigh-If you were considering a move here I wouldn't let the right to own guns scare you off. However I think our economy, health care system, international relations etc. should scare you off. :-)
 Scheherrazade

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Posted: 11/29/2007 9:02:13 PM
Guns are not a dangerous thing to own. Its the people who use them that are dangerous. I live in Texas and we have a law that allows for concealed weapons. If you are over 18 and do not have a felony on your record, you can take a class and get a permit to carry a weapon. I think every woman who falls into these categories should be able to own and carry a weapon. These days it does not matter what neighborhood you live in, crime happens everywhere.

Guns can be scary but knowledge is the best weapon you can have. I was raised around guns. I am a single mother and I've always had a gun in the house. My children were taught to have a healthy respect for guns. Most gun accidents involving children are often the result of a parent locking up a gun and hiding it from their children. A child's natural curiosity of the forbidden will be what causes the child to sneak behind mom and dad back and play with the gun. When you raise your kids around guns, teach them gun safety and do not try and hide it, then it won't matter if you leave the gun sitting out on the dining room table. My father was a cop and when he came home from work he'd take off the big heavy belt with the gun, handcuffs and night stick and hang it up on the coat rack just inside the door. None of us children ever touched it and knew the dangers. I myself keep a 9mm in the house and my kids have been taught from early on that it is not a toy. When they were old enough I taught them how to shoot. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
 windowshopping04

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Posted: 11/29/2007 10:11:02 PM

the thought of having a leathal weapon in my home would terrify me


Do you own kitchen knives? Golf clubs? Gardening tools? A fireplace poker? Nearly anything can be used as a lethal weapon, if one is determined enough. The difference between these items and a gun is in how much damage the wielder will have to take during implementation of the item for self-defense.

As post 7 so eloquently pointed out, firearms are simply tools. All tools are subject to the intent and proficiency of the user, and there is a correct tool for every purpose. Learning and practicing the proper use, handling, storage, maintenance and maintaining respect for any tool or any proficient tool user keeps the user and those around him/her safe.

Paradoxically, the group which has the greatest number of accidental discharges in the US are police officers - not private citizens.

I keep different arms for different purposes in different states of readiness and concealed locations. None are in plain sight and none would be easily found by intruders or visitors. It's not a matter of fear, it's a matter of preparedness... for situations which I sincerely hope never happen.
 MrVitamix

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Posted: 11/30/2007 7:04:51 AM
guns are for protection not just survival. it is in the constitution we can bear arms and in the home your gun is used for protection, not survival as in hunting for meat.

you must be afraid of guns. I'm afraid of burgulars and scrooge, who could slide down my chimmeney and steal my christmas presents.
 MrBad_Kitty

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Posted: 11/30/2007 7:33:26 AM
It lets the government know that we are in charge and this get really out of hand, we can do something about it. Guns at home would be considered a fail-safe option, a Sword of Damocles, that sits above the leaders to let them know they can push us too far.


I could never live over the pond... to scarey

and i could never live in a country that would ban books ( Anacharists Cookbook), be forced to bow to anyone (the queen) and pay taxes on having a TV.

besides you have a better chance of dieing in a car wreck then getting shot.


http://www.kmbc.com/news/14709855/detail.html
CARTHAGE, Mo. -- A 63-year-old grandmother with a handgun stopped two burglars at her backdoor in Carthage.

The Jasper County Sheriff's Department said a woman and a 16-year-old boy were arrested after the foiled break-in Friday and charged with first-degree burglary.

The grandmother was at home with her grandchild when the burglars broke down her back door.

She grabbed a handgun and stopped the pair, but they ran away when the woman went back inside to call the sheriff's department.Deputies arrested the suspects about three hours later in Carthage.

Lt. Aaron Richardson of the sheriff's department said first-degree burglary charges have been filed against Faith Barrick, 39, of Carthage, and a 16-year-old male accomplice.
 Cort1295

Joined: 12/26/2006
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Posted: 11/30/2007 7:52:40 AM
ermmm..... ok in the United Kingdom... Ilegal...fullstop..... and I agree.... but my question is... over the pond where it is legal or normal to have one for survial... do you really feel safe? the thought of having a leathal weapon in my home would terrify me and if I felt the need to have such a thing in my home for safety then I would consider moving..... we are not allowed such weapons here.. but for you who are... would you use it? and would you feel ok about it? .... is it not a dangerous thing to own.... especially single mums.... which I know for a fact at least 3 ladies on here have a gun and will use it..... OMG..... if this is the case... I could never live over the pond... to scarey


I feel safe in the U.S. I don't own a firearm and haven't had any training with one, so I'd really rather not have to attempt using one anytime soon. I'd like to believe that I'd be willing to defend myself in a life or death situation where the option of running isn't available, with or without a firearm. I don't think I'd feel ok after harming someone, especially if it was in self-defense. Not because there is anything wrong with defending oneself, but because a life or death situation would probably be somewhat traumatic. Nonetheless, being prepared is not a bad thing in my opinion.

In any case, I feel fairly safe. I don't have any personal experience with the U.K., but statistically speaking the average crime rate over there doesn't seem to be any lower than it is here.
 Moto Monkey

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Posted: 11/30/2007 8:00:00 AM
Guns are advertised night and day, in most of the TV shows and movies here. The TV has lots of cop shows and some war shows. In the cop shows everyone has guns, lots of people get shot. In the movies, everyone has a gun and a grenade launcher and cars explode and helicopters explode and whole buildings explode. Our entertainment media are very violent and guns are everywhere. In our politics we have fear as the prime motivator, so each election there are ads and speeches about something to be afraid of. The rest of the world is said to envy us and if anyone hates us it is because they hate us for our freedom and our goodness, which is what evil people would hate. Every situation must have a good guy and a bad guy. There is always conflict, There is always a battle. Good always wins. Now, women, too, are supposed to be violent and belligerent, and they have guns and shoot people and kick ass alongside the men. It is a culture of ass-kicking.

Our economy has no real safety net, as welfare used to be called, before they ended it. We do not have the same kinds of socialist programs and attitudes that you have over there. Here, if someone loses a job, can't afford medical insurance, can't pay their rent, they wind up poor, homeless and sick. Here when a person is mentally ill they become in the minds of the general population a psycho killer or a "loser". The psycho killer you must have a gun at home to protect yourself from. The loser you just make fun of. Here when a person is out of work they become a criminal or a "loser". The criminal you must have a gun at home to protect yourself from. The loser you just make fun of. Our society has roles to play and there is lower class we assign to be the bad guys for our violent fantasies. For them we need guns to fantasize about being strong and safe like the ass-kicking heroes on TV and in the movies.

There is a romantic view of guns here in many places, from the western genre of cowboy stories, from the wars we waged, and so many men like guns because they have romantic ideas about genocide and war and old west gunfighters. For women, guns answer the fear of being raped, so they carry a small handgun and take self-defense gun classes, and like the feeling it gives them to shoot a gun imagining they are blowing away an evil bad guy.

If guns were not shown all day and night in nearly every TV show and movie, they would not be nearly so popular. If society was compassionate and not ruthlessly competitive, the gun fantasy would not be as popular.
 princess leigh

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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:26:24 AM

and i could never live in a country that would ban books ( Anacharists Cookbook), be forced to bow to anyone (the queen) and pay taxes on having a TV.


lol... hey... we are not all royalists ya know,I really don't approve of the royal family... I would never bow down to anyone,hense I will never meet the royal family lol...

as for tv licience... oh believe me... we hate that to.... but at least we can watch a film without adverts every five mins...

on the plus side.. ok the national health just lately is not brilliant... but they have saved my life and my mothers and my daughters life for FREE.. we can visit the doc everyday if we wanted to FREE.... we have welfare for people who can't work.....

there are good and bad things on both sides of the pond....

good post Moto...


For women, guns answer the fear of being raped, so they carry a small handgun


I understand believe me... but would/is still illegal here... even in that situation.. I would get a higher sentance then the rapist for being in possession of an illegal weapon and using it.... CRAZY I know... but saying that... I am sure there would be more gun deaths here if Guns where legal.... I guess it is what we are used to and the way we have been brought up.... we know no different as American's don't....
 *~*Red Queen II*~*

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Posted: 11/30/2007 10:47:39 AM
I don't know know a lot about handguns or any other type of gun for that matter.
All I know is that people hurt/kill people, guns don't.

Part of my cultural heritage included hunting wildlife for furs/hide & meat.
We were taught that hunting rifles were only used for hunting & protection from animal predators.

Personally, I feel uncomfortable around handguns in the home, yet alright with hunting rifles-strange I know! I think the main reason is that handguns are so easily concealed and that anyone, including a child, could just pick it up and fire.
 First Falcon

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Posted: 11/30/2007 1:19:24 PM
I was raised with them too. As far back as I can remember my dad had 2 - 30.06 rifles hanging on a rack, on the side of the fireplace. I was taught very early that they were not toys and shown what they were capable of. And have always handled them with safety utmost in mind. Brought home a turkey for Thanksgiving dinner in a boy scout target competition. (Didn't shoot the turkey). Would I be afraid to use them on any turkey trying to do me or mine harm? NO.

And I'd rather engage in a legal fight, than a physical one, where I stand a chance of losing my life. Because some idiot broke in and won't believe I don't have millions hidden all over the house, and decides to force the info out of me, while I stop to worry about current law and its possible ramifications. I also try to anticipate and avoid areas/ situations where concealed carry would be adviseable. But never considered it a problem and have thought about getting one myself occasionally.

To minimize even the legal possibility, the only thing I have loaded currently is a CO2 semi auto pellet pistol. If someone gets in, it won't kill them, but they'll think and feel like they just ran into the biggest, nastiest, swarm of bees ever encountered.
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Posted: 11/30/2007 3:58:09 PM
I hate to tell you this, FF, but that could cause more trouble than good unless you've got some cyanide in those pellets. Legally, a live burglar is always more of a legal hassle down the road than a dead one from cases I have read. Routinely we have burglars who are injured and win large settlements. Some on the silliest of things, even. I remember one burglar who sued the owner because the deck rail was lose and they fell over backward and shattered their leg. That's right, the burglar won money even though he had no legal right to be there in the first place. I can't claim to understand it, I just know it happens.

Unfortunately it happens a lot. On the topic of guns the latest big case just got settled here. Over 4 million won by a Mpls Officer shot repeatedly by another uniformed cop. The irony here... the undercover cop had been shot in the vest by a criminal, radio'ed for help, then was shot by his own officers sent to assist him. He never posed a threat to the shooting cop but he shot first and asked questions later. "Unnecessary force" was the verdict though the cop who shot him never did any time, I don't even think he was charged but thankfully he has now resigned. Perhaps the cops shot first because they had a call of "officer down" and thought they were executing the cop shooter but ended up shooting the cop who was already shot. Talk about thick irony.

http://wcco.com/local/duy.ngo.settlement.2.595801.html

Now had the shot officer died no one ever would have known the whole story.

OP, I am in one of the few cities who is testing a new system, Shotspotter, which listens for gunshots and can tell the difference between car backfires and fireworks and real gunshots. Fascinating, and only $400,000 for the system. Cheap compared to the cost of lives. This system allows cops to respond without even a call in report. Cops get a location and they go there right away. The stories are incredible. The first incident, 7 hours after it was put in caught a criminal just out of prison for manslaughter and reincarcerated him christmas day. This really helps the problem by enforcing the laws already there instead of trying to produce more legislation clogging up everything.

http://wcco.com/video type in "shotspotter" in the search box

All good information.

I'm still pro guns at home and concealed carry but these incidents show how important it is to be thinking rationally when holding one. Also to be trained and have a well thought out plan. Myself, I'm fortunate enough to have received training from a retired army officer who is rangemaster certified. Meaning I got one on one training in the same place the cops practice shoot in the Brooklyn Park range.

I wouldn't mind more training in the legal area to understand and keep up with the laws current to my region. That is the key is doing everything by the law (or to some, SAYING you do/did everything by the law).
 RSwindol

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Posted: 11/30/2007 4:22:42 PM

Well if you wish to be a helpless victim and allow people to rob, rape, and murder while hoping the police will protect you, more power to you.

Do you know what scares me more than being robbed? People who think like this. The fact is, the likelihood of someone breaking into your home while you are still in it is extremely small. There are less than 40 reports a year of this in the United States.

Q: What's more dangerous than a pissed off a55hole with a gun?

A: Two a55holes with guns pissed off at each other.

People who live their lives with itchy trigger fingers are more likely to die at the end of a barrel or behind bars.
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Posted: 11/30/2007 4:53:36 PM

People who live their lives with itchy trigger fingers are more likely to die at the end of a barrel or behind bars.



I agree! That is one of the things you notice when being around others with guns. Some treat them as just another object but one to be cautious of. Like a garden poison or strong prescription medication or a power tool. And others.... well, they pick one up and they get this false sense of bravado and machoism as if they had suddenly downed six shots. They are drunk with power.

What scares me is that almost more often than not people who are drawn to firearms are drawn to that drunk with power thing. I think a lot of them are really insecure and afraid of themselves but instead of reconciling with that they bolding go over-extroverted when they get a gun in their hand. Cops are not immune from this either. Sadly I think that is what is wrong with the force -- they have no test to properly weed them out. Which ends up with incidents like the one I mentioned above.

And I know you're closer to the truth with the stats, too, which is why my gun is not nearby and loaded. But home invasions have been on the rise unless I've been mislead by reporters.
 Frybreadbuns

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Posted: 12/1/2007 12:17:14 AM
Seriously leave the shoot outs to the police.
 RSwindol

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Posted: 12/1/2007 7:31:03 AM

And I know you're closer to the truth with the stats, too, which is why my gun is not nearby and loaded. But home invasions have been on the rise unless I've been mislead by reporters.

Here is a sight with a graph that you may find appealing. It shows how robbery has reduced dramatically since the early 70's. I have found other sites that have indicated that other reasons behind the reduction in such crimes are more severe penalties and a stronger possibility of prison time, as well as the birth of more affordable alarm systems for homes, cars, and small businesses.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/rob.htm
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Posted: 12/1/2007 9:36:06 AM
The link says
Robbery - Completed or attempted theft, directly from a person, of property or cash by force or threat of force, with or without a weapon, and with or without injury.


I was talking about home invasions which is largely the point of this thread. Montel Williams has had several shows about home invasions being on the rise.

The officer's own gun was used in 12%
of all murders of police officers.

Interesting stat but I punched in Home Invasion and four things came up, none with statistics. Doesnt the government want to track these trends?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4191/is_20060517/ai_n16417822


Most police agencies and the FBI will statistically record the crime as a residential burglary or a robbery.

Home invasion robbers, in contrast, work more often at night and on weekends when homes are more likely to be occupied. The home invader will sometimes target the resident as well as the dwelling.
The selection process may include a woman living alone, a wealthy senior citizen or a known drug dealer, for example. It is not unheard of for a robber to follow you home based on the value of the car you are driving or the jewelry you are wearing. Some home invaders might have been in your home before as a delivery person, installer or repair vendor. Home robbers rarely work alone and rely on an overwhelming physical confrontation to gain initial control and instill fear in you. The greatest violence usually occurs during the initial sixty seconds of the confrontation and home invaders often come prepared with handcuffs, rope, duct tape, and firearms. Some in-home robbers appear to enjoy the intimidation, domination, and violence and some even claim it’s a "rush."

Dangerous Trends
The act of committing a home invasion is escalating much like carjacking. The reason for the increase seems to follow a similar pattern. Much like automobiles, the traditional commercial targets for robbers like convenience stores and fast-food restaurants have hardened themselves against criminal attack and have reduced available cash. Technology has allowed commercial establishments to install affordable video surveillance systems, silent alarms, and other anti-crime deterrent devices. A residence, by comparison, is now a more attractive choice.

Home invaders know that they won't have to overcome alarm systems when the home is occupied or be worried about video cameras and silent alarms. Unlike robbing a retail store, home invaders expect privacy once inside your home and won’t have to deal with the police suddenly driving up or customers walking in. Once the offenders take control of a residence they can force the occupants to open safes, locate hidden valuables, supply keys to the family car, and PIN numbers to their ATM cards. Home invaders will try to increase their escape time by disabling the phones and sometimes will leave their victims bound or incapacitated. It is not unheard of for robbers to load up the victim’s car with valuables and drive away without anyone in the neighborhood taking notice.

Method of Operation
The most common point of attack is through the front door or garage. Sometimes the home invader will simply kick open the door and confront everyone inside. More common is when the home invaders knock on the door first or ring the bell. The home invader hopes that the occupant will simply open the door, without question, in response to their knock. Unfortunately, many people do just that.

Home invaders will sometimes use a ruse or impersonation to get you to open the door. They have been known to pretend to be delivering a package, flowers or lie about an accident like hitting your parked car. Once the door is opened for them, the home invaders will use an explosive amount of force and threats to gain control of the home and produce fear in the victims. Once the occupants are under control the robbers will begin to collect your valuables.

Some home robbers have been known to spend hours ransacking a residence while the homeowners are bound nearby watching in terror. Some robbers have been known to eat meals, watch TV, or even take a nap. A major fear is that the robbers might commit more violence like sexual assault or even murder. Some robbers have kidnapped and forced a victim to withdraw cash from their ATM machine or take them to their small business to rob it as well.

Prevention Steps
The same tactics used to prevent daytime burglaries will go a long way to preventing forced entry home robberies. If you can delay a home invader at the point of entry then you have a chance of deterring them or have time to call the police. A solid core door, strong locks with reinforced strike plates, and reinforced window devices will stop most forced entries. See my web page on Home Security Tips for more information. Some homeowners build safe rooms inside their home to allow them to retreat or escape the violence while giving them valuable time to call the police.

The weakest home security link is the home occupant who fails to lock doors or windows or who will open the door without question at the sound of a knock. The best defense against home invasion is education and planning. Parents should hold a family meeting to discuss how to answer the door when someone knocks. Another important topic is how to act should your home or family be invaded. Once you know how home robbers work, you can effectively prevent most occurrences. See also Home Invasion Family Survival Tips for more information.

Remember these important security steps:

Install solid core doors, heavy duty locks, and window security devices
Lock all doors, windows, and garages at all times
Use four three-inch screws to secure heavy duty lock strike plates in the door frame
Use the door peephole BEFORE opening the door
Use your porch light to help you to see clearly outside
Never rely on a chain-latch as a barrier to partially open the door
Never open the door to strangers or solicitors
Call the police if the stranger acts suspicious
Alert your neighbors to suspicious solicitors
Hold a family meeting to discuss home security plans
Set the home perimeter alarm at night, if you have one

For More Information
Home Security - Burglary Prevention Tips
Home Security for the Christmas Holidays
Family Security Tips
Home Invasion Survival Tips
Self-Defense - Pepper Spray
Panic Room or Safe room



http://www.crimedoctor.com/homeinvasion.htm
 RSwindol

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guns at home
Posted: 12/1/2007 10:59:30 AM

I was talking about home invasions which is largely the point of this thread. Montel Williams has had several shows about home invasions being on the rise.

This thread isn't about home invasion, but about civilians owning firearms and whether or not it is a matter of survival or just plain unnecessary. Even though the title of the thread is "Guns at home", the OP is simply referring to civilians with guns, whether they be kept in homes or automobiles and whether they are used for self defense or recreation.

As far as Montel Williams goes, he's nothing more than a motivational speaker turned talk show host. Just like every other talk show or news program his job security is dependent on ratings, which makes his primary concern controversial information that will catch the viewers attention, no matter how skewed that information may be.

The fact is, their are two sides to this picture. On the Montel Williams side, you see crime rising. But then again, so is our population, and anyone would agree that when your population grows, so does your crime rate.

The other side of the picture shows that our crimes such as robbery, rape, and simple and aggravated assault aren't growing nearly as fast as our population rate, which means that the percentage of people who will be victims in these crimes has reduced. Therefore, the likelihood of a person needing a gun for protection is less.

The crimes that are growing in this country are white-collar crimes such as fraud, embezzlement, identity theft, bribery, etc. And I don't think I need to mention that guns aren't very effective against these crimes.

Besides, anyone who says that they need a gun for protection has watched too many movies. If someone does invade your home while you are in it, they are more apt to attempt to kill you if they are aware that you have a gun. So, are you really more safe with a gun?
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guns at home
Posted: 12/1/2007 11:22:51 AM

Besides, anyone who says that they need a gun for protection has watched too many movies. If someone does invade your home while you are in it, they are more apt to attempt to kill you if they are aware that you have a gun. So, are you really more safe with a gun?



WELL SAID.....

I have two kids... I would not feel comfortable with a gun in my house.... yes... I have had a shyte childhood.... no details needed... but a gun would not have solved the answer... you shoot someone no matter what.... YOUR A MURDERER.... simple
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