| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/29/2007 4:10:53 PM | | I am a Canadian to the end and although very upset about RCMP and tasers etc. -really donot want to accept a lady from UK has to accept 40 lashes and imprisonment because a child named a teddy bear Muhammed - if I could get enough supporters I would go there and protest- it is sad enough (to our culture) when they beat and imprison a girl from their society after she was raped and beaten to be labelled something terrible and imprisoned plus receive lashes -we are all residents of this GOD provided world and although some are incredibly blessed(?) most of us enjoy life and what it offers. .I really regret going to bed to-nite realizing some kid is going to be lashed and imprisoned in a Muslim country for something she is or was likely unaware was a no-no. Hey-I do not mean to be off-line but am really tired of what we westerners call injustice even tho the justification comes from another Power's rules--the only reason a Canadian,British or American in her role would be there is out of a desire to assist and help and I admire them. Dammit- it is time we let them know that our culture is made of different factions other than bombs etc. and they cannot take innocent women who are there to provide hope and abuse them with lashes and imprisonment. PLEASE HELP ME HELP THIS LADY!!!-richie | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/29/2007 6:02:50 PM | | oh man the amount of things that are untrue in your post is frighting. for a start the country in question is SUDAN, and she is not a naive young girl the women in question is a 53 year old women. and she is not there to help os assist out of kindnes of her heart she is a teacher in a private school for rich sudanees so she paid very handsomly. how do you know she is innocent? one more point is your concern for this women based purely on the colour of her skin i wonder? oh by the way I don’t think she will get 40 lashes and think she should be released immediately because I think she did not mean to offend and if she did it was untentional. | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/29/2007 6:34:53 PM | | Hey Friend- thank-you for your message and I have no reason to dispute your answer except (even though I obviously spoke w/o knowledge) I am aware of the non-western punishments afforded females which do not deem acceptable in our society but do understand the religious differences- soooo will assume you are correct the British lady will not be victimized by a law with which she/me did not comprehend- I hope we in Canada will continue to be a country that accepts the different cultures but executes the rule of law provided by our founders and not support demonic rituals such as lashing for calling a teddy bear Muhammed- I as a Christian acknowledge the faith (unquestionable) but also refer to my friend Muhammed Ali! tks | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/29/2007 6:51:17 PM | | The maximum penalty was six months in prison and 40 lashes. What she ended up getting as 15 days in jail, and deportion back to Britain. No lashes. A short sentence. Yes, it seems unusual to us, and harsh to us, and she may well have been unaware of the insults which would come from naming an animal after the Muslim prophet (and it was the kids who named it), but we must have cultural sensitivity, and recognize that when one is in a foreign land, one is subject to their laws. And if one entered that country under their own will, then they are responsible for ensuring that they are familiar with the laws, and abide by them. | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/29/2007 7:07:43 PM | This is so ridiculous you couldn't make it up if you tried.
I'm all for 'cultural sensitivity' but this is nonsense!
For Christ's sake, if anyone still had a doubt, this should be their clue that we will NEVER see eye to eye with the vast majority of Middle Easterners, at least those of the Wahabi persuasion! | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/29/2007 7:15:05 PM | | Thank-you for the valuable information and preventing me from complaining to friends about something I was not really educated about on details (tonque in gear grey matter in neutral) guess the Hfx Herald has had enough reports lately re lashings and abusive cultures to females it just set me to state something which is ,at least geographically incorrect, thanks again for your direction and apologies for mis-statements ! | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/30/2007 5:21:39 AM | | I think these people are looking to divert attention from more serious political issues, a bloody teddy bear for heavens sake, am i allowed to say heaven in this instance, or am i offending Christians the world over, a teddy bear gives comfort to millions of children, so i ask.........what is the problem with calling one after a supposed deity? Mayber i should be flogged i say let them try | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/30/2007 5:58:23 AM | | absks: He says she is innocent because the school she was teaching at has claimed her innocence. You do realize that SHE didnt choose the name of the bear, the children did from a group of three names that THEY also chose. If these children were all Muslims, THEY should have known how wrong it was to name an animal Muhammad....my daughter at 7 years old would have known when God was insulted. The statement from the school was that she didnt realize it was an insult, that she was a very good teacher and loved her job there as well as the children she taught. I have never seen a picture of this teacher, I have no idea what "color" she is....but I can tell you that I feel this incident is wrong, wrong, wrong. Shes already served 5 days of her sentence while it was being tried, they are returning her for the other 10 days, then she will be deported home.....which is lucky for her since now these same religious "leaders" (I use that term loosely in this case) are calling for her to be shot to death by a firing squad. | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/30/2007 8:48:22 AM | Well it just goes to show how things get misinterpreted .The OP has got 50 % of the story and got upset .The Sudanese got 50 % and got upset .
The kids supposedly named this teddy bear, so i fail to see why the teacher must be held responsible .She has had loads of people speak on her behalf .Only thing I would have said to the teacher is that knowing this type of issue always causes drama.........why didn't she refuse that name ? | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/30/2007 10:37:08 AM | Are the British people so paralyzed by racial politics, political correctness, and Muslim intimidation, that they are going to let these savages brutalize one of their own
according to the dictates of a creepy, crazy cult?
Looks like it.
They were willing to send a task force complete with nuclear attack subs and carriers
to retake the Falklands, but are going to allow a middle aged woman to suffer
medieval barbarism. They have sunk pretty low.
"but we must have cultural sensitivity"
"Tolerance is a crime when applied to evil"
Thomas Mann... | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/30/2007 3:27:24 PM | | Is there anything that doesn't offend Islam, I mean come on, enough is enough. The kids named the damn thing FFS, yet once again, their backwards ideology puts the blame on the person who did nothing wrong. The more this stuff happens, the worse off it makes them look, and hopefully more and more people will wake up and see what Islam is really about. If you're offended, well you can piss off and riot in the streets calling for the death penalty, idiots. | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/30/2007 6:12:17 PM | | misplacedyankette; i never said she chose the name herself or that she was guilty. i was just pointing out that the op had got lot of facts about this story wrong. concerning the women i dont think she should have been charged with anything because i dont think she did anything wrong. | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/30/2007 7:06:58 PM | ---Is there anything that doesn't offend Islam, I mean come on, enough is enough---
You pretty much summed it all up. My son just bought a new lizard for
his growing menagerie. In protest, I think I'll call it Mohammed. | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/30/2007 9:09:26 PM | I'm with DJ Smak & occamsrazor.
NPR reported this a.m. there are a number of 'people' calling for her execution... NO, I am not kidding... execution.
'These people' (generally speaking, Islamists, specifically speaking, Wahabi Islamists) do NOT share our values.
Broadly speaking with regard to the Middle East, bring our troops home, let 'these people' continue waging war on each other till they're all dead... at the rate they're going, it won't be long. | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/19/2009 10:55:39 AM | | Hi : already acknowledged tongue in gear and brain in neutral (which is not uncommon). Accept I was 50% wrong although now I think only had the wrong country. But- feel the country of Sudan's religious or political leaders are 100% wrong. Sure do not want to open up discussion on the mid east crisis but do want to see our troops back in Canada. The Americans- really their political culture differs from Canada but we love 'em anyway! Good neighbours and in a terrible global power situation. Recognizing even Canada and USA have some human rights problems - they are (I think) war/terrorist related items. Woman raped (lash her or exterminate her) kids call a teddy bear by a name unacceptable to the country's leaders,imprison her, lash her, execute her and then deport the remains back to England. JC (allowed to say that ?) and how many years has that conflict been going on but not resolved (maybe Richard the Lionheart) Need a break because we know most Sudanese are decent folks so for sure would not want them killed ! Well- hopefully she is home and western governments take a role in advising their citizens going to those area of the dangers but what dept. do we blame for not telling the lady not to call their teddy-Muhammed? Thanks for this experience. | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/20/2009 6:48:01 AM | I wonder what would have happened if she had been a private teacher in a school, who had named a gollywog Obama?
Would any of us consider that OK? Would she not be fined AND jailed for the offence, and then deported on top? | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/20/2009 3:45:46 PM | | Never thought of that (what's a gollywog?) Totally obscene, disrespectful etc. and worse if she called it Stephen or Harpo it would call for public flogging and hangman's noose - so maybe should not have been so quick to condemn the Islamic leaders - wow-note to self.... | |
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| C anadi an Re British teacher in Pakistan
Posted: 11/21/2009 1:22:01 PM | RE Msg: 19 by bear444:
(what's a gollywog?) It's a little doll, designed to resemble a caricature of a black man (WOG = Wild Oriental Gentleman, another insulting name for a black man, as in "Golly, it's a wog", hence, Gollywog).
They used to sell them in stores, and used to be carried on some brands of Marmalade. All gone now, as they are racist images. | |
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