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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/1/2007 11:12:52 PM | .
Was there a nuclear war 12,000 years ago?
A quote from an ancient text of India first written in Snaskrit over
6000 years ago, and speaks of an even earlier time about 12,000
years ago. The text is public domain now and violates no copyright.
Quote:
"Gurkha,
flying a swift and powerful vimana
hurled a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...
a perpendicular explosion
with its billowing smoke clouds...
...the cloud of smoke
rising after its first explosion
formed into expanding round circles
like the opening of giant parasols...
..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.
...The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognizable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.
After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment."
- The Mahabharata 4500 BC
The text almost perfectly describes a nuclear war. Other ancient texts, including the bible, have passages which also describe a similar though not as detailed, event.
Sanskrit is easily translated and is the mother tongue of many of our languages today.
Even more bizzare is the fact that archeologists working in the area
where this is suposed to have taken place, have unearthed ruins
in which skeletons were sprawled about the streets, all over the place,
no one burried them, as if no one would go near the place, and they
are the most radio active ruins and skeletons ever found, archeologists
working the site now wear protective clothing.
In one area, a housing development project was haulted due to the
high cancer rate in the area. Also near the area are miles of broken
greenish sheet glass once thought to be natural and used for jewlry
by locals for centuries.
After the first atomic tests in Nevada, the same greenish glass appeared,
as the intense heat fused and melted the desert sand into greenish glass.
Perhaps the strangest thing about this, is when posted once before,
four other posters immediately responded by trying to discredit the
facts by any means possible and were quite hostile in their methods.
One would think the average reader would simply say, "Wow, that is
interesting, kind of makes you wonder, huh?" and then go research
it further if they wanted to.
But not these particular 4 responses, no, they immediately launched
all kinds of tactics, including a flame war so the whole thread would
be deleted, which is exactly what happened, they started a flame war
and then went and reported the flame war to admin.
Someone obviously does not want readers to see this information, why?
Well, "History forgotten, is destine to repeat itself." Do they want that?
Or is it that, such events in the distant past, would throw conventional
Public School Text Book History, right out the window?
The squad of disinfo usually has one member watching round the clock
and it doesn't take them long to show up after a controversal post,
usually about 10 minutes, before they post some fast weird denial reply.
I don't want to get into it with disinformation agents. So they can post
any reply they want, I'll try to refrain from taking the bait, and just let the
reader research this themselves and come to their own conclusion.
Just google search "Ancient Atomic War" and you're sure to find many
websites addressing the issue, some honest and some questionable.
I'm not saying it deffinately happened, I am saying it is an interesting read.
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/1/2007 11:20:21 PM |
and they
are the most radio active ruins and skeletons ever found.
Which is why, in all the photographs of these sites, no-one is every wearing protective clothing. Shorts, t-shirts...no hazmat or radiation suits. Bunk. The idea fails instantly because one of the main premises is false. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 12:32:11 AM |
no-one is every wearing protective clothing
People are still living in Hiroshima, aren't they? | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 1:12:02 AM | Re-read the first post:
and they are the most radio active ruins and skeletons ever found,
a housing development project was haulted due to the high cancer rate in the area
So you'd expect protective clothing, right?
archeologists working the site now wear protective clothing.
Except that this is a lie. Lots of pictures of these sites online, and the standard protective clothing appears to be shorts and t-shirts. They never even mention a radiation hazard.
There are lofty sounding "scientific" institutes in India purportedly reverse-engineering ancient technology. They haven't actually produced any results, and despite their names, they're not research facilities, but religious colleges.
Then you have half of the post being a persecution complex, which doesn't add ANY credibility. In one thing, I agree with the OP: It's an interesting read. It's just not an especially scientific or well-supported scenario. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 5:25:34 AM | It *also* could be attributed to a meteor impact nearby - the only difference being the radioactivity... unless the meteor had a fair amount of uranium.  | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 12:00:17 PM | | So who fired the "nuke"? Some advanced race from another planet? Their way to deal with a civilization that was in barely out of the bronze age was to nuke them? | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 12:16:08 PM | it also reminds me a lot of Pliny the Younger's account of Vesuvius. There are dozens of different natural disasters which cause huge amounts of damage like this... and yet people choose to dream up ancient wars instead?
...is it because people are in denial and fear of the randomness of natural processes? | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 12:18:48 PM |
Which is why, in all the photographs of these sites, no-one is every wearing protective clothing. Shorts, t-shirts...no hazmat or radiation suits. Bunk. The idea fails instantly because one of the main premises is false.
If this was 12.000 years ago, the fallout would be LONG gone. Doesnt mean that it was a fission bomb either it could be fusion or simply conventional.
As to who would have "launched" it. Blame the Atlanteans! Seriously, i dont think it is that important to know who would launch rather than it is possible if you go by those ancient texts. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 4:49:35 PM |
A quote from an ancient text of India first written in Snaskrit over
6000 years ago, and speaks of an even earlier time about 12,000
years ago.
We're supposed to be putting any faith into a 6000+ year old text that speaks of an event that supposedly took place 6000+ years before that? | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 5:23:45 PM |
You'd have us believe anything anybody pulled out of their ass on the internet. And don't think those pictures aren't easily available. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 9:41:34 PM |
That's because the inane threads that have been repeated several hundreds of times, never get deleted. Yet genuine questions do. I'm beginning to think I should just treat the forums as entertainment, and leave genuine questions for emails.
Did you read the post? Or its two predecessors, which were inane and deleted? I'd certainly call it entertainment, but "genuine question" is a bit of a stretch.
Let me bring you some highlights, in case you missed them:
Perhaps the strangest thing about this, is when posted once before,
four other posters immediately responded by trying to discredit the
facts by any means possible and were quite hostile in their methods
I was one of those posters, and I was not hostile. It's pretty easy to discredit "facts" which are false. I pointed out one of those "facts" here too. The first part of any investigation is determining the facts. This stuff is presented as science or fact, and it fails at the most elementary level - the facts are false.
One would think the average reader would simply say, "Wow, that is
interesting, kind of makes you wonder, huh?" and then go research
it further if they wanted to.
The "average" reader might do so. But reading the fairy story is not "research". Research involves looking at the value of the information presented and comparing it to other sources and to the basic data. The complaint here is that several people did exactly that, myself among them. I find the story intriguing; it's the supporting arguments which fail.
But not these particular 4 responses, no, they immediately launched
all kinds of tactics, including a flame war so the whole thread would
be deleted, which is exactly what happened, they started a flame war
and then went and reported the flame war to admin.
Here we go. Good, rational support for the argument: they're out to get me.
Someone obviously does not want readers to see this information, why?
More rationality: they don't agree with me, so it's part of a big conspiracy.
The squad of disinfo usually has one member watching round the clock
and it doesn't take them long to show up after a controversal post,
usually about 10 minutes, before they post some fast weird denial reply
The conspiracy deepens. This is less vitriolic than the equivalent posts LAST time this thread was created. Last time, particular posters were condemned as being government agents out to silence him. This "fast weird denial reply" is rather telling. Apparently evidence, parsimony, logic, and rationality are considered "fast" and "weird".
I don't want to get into it with disinformation agents.
Not paranoid much. Once again - those who disagree are "agents", and unbiased fact is "disinformation".
Just google search "Ancient Atomic War"
By all means, research. If, however, you take the OP's suggestion, you will only be "researching" the conclusion, not the evidence. If you want to look at the evidence, here are some starting points:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahabharata
http://www.harappa.com/har/har0.html
http://www.mohenjodaro.net/mohenjodaroessay.html
From page six of the above archaeological essay on Mohenjo-Daro:
Although some scattered skeletons were discovered in the later levels, they do not represent warfare or raiding, and there is no evidence that the site came to a violent end
There's also no sign of anyone wearing protective clothing, no sign of preventing people being exposed to a radioactive site.
Here we have the main fantasy sites:
http://www.beforeus.com/indusa.htm
They are thought to have contained well over a million people each.
By whom? That's 10-20% of the entire world population in EACH city, when humans were spread out over 6 continents, with major populations and civilizations in a number of locations. So right off, we have an unsupported exaggeration which is inconsistant with what we know of human population and history. Here's some idea of past human populations: http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current/lectures/human_pop/human_pop.html
http://desip.igc.org/populationmaps.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population
Continuing...
I’m going to let you in on a nifty little inside secret
Nifty indeed. Where would we be without unsubstantiated "secrets" revealed to us by random storytellers on the internet?
The ruins of the ancient cities of Mohenjo-Daro and Harappa are extremely radioactive
At the very least exaggerated. At worst, this "secret" isn't supported by evidence.
Practically nothing is known of their histories, except that both were destroyed suddenly
Apparently NOT supported by archaeological data. See the previous essay.
180 feet from the center the bricks are melted on one side, indicating a blast.
A nuclear blast melted bricks on one side, only 180 feet from the epicenter? A nuclear blast would flatten everything for miles, especially when buildings were made of wood and mud brick.
It has been claimed that the skeletons, after thousands of years, are still among the most radioactive that have ever been found, on a par with those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It has been claimed? That alone suggests there is no evidence at all - pure hearsay. To the rest, Senadin has pointed out the relative lack of radiation at the Japanese sites, and THOSE were only 50 years ago! So which is it? Strongly radioactive for thousands of years, or as radioactive as Hiroshima?
But here’s something else to shock you…
I cut this quote quite short. Basically, everything following it is ancient anecdotes, not backed by modern evidence.
Scientists in many countries are now studying a remarkable translation made by Maharshi Bharadwaja, called Aeronautics, described as A Manuscript from the Pre-historic Past. It contains fascinating, almost incredible data. This translation has been published by the International Academy of Sanskrit Research in Mysore, India. Its table of contents includes:
In brief, this is a religious school, and their "scientific discoveries" haven't led to anything presented for public scrutiny thus far. There's an interesting follow-up here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaimanika_Shastra
And you’ll discover more in Dead Men’s Secrets, an astonishing report crammed with lost secrets of the ancient world
Oh, THAT'S where the evidence is. Doesn't sound like a sales pitch at all.
Check out these headlines:
But Where Are The Records Of Such Things?
Bizarre “Time Capsule” Discovered
Was There Really Nuclear War In The Past?
This Will Amaze You…
Sounds like the lead-in to a sales pitch.
To order Dead Men’s Secrets, click here
Oh.
Hallmarks of fiction, bad science, and pseudoscience:
The author is persecuted or suppressed. The information is secret or covered up. The scientific community refuses to publish the information. The maverick researcher must fight the "establishment" and reveal the information to the public through his self-published book.
This adds up to 1) inadequate data, 2) bad science, 3) minimal parsimony. The "establishment" won't publish it because it's obviously unscientific. The lone gunman is convinced he's right, despite all facts, or he just wants to make a name and a buck. In comes the book. Anyone can publish a book, and in the public eye, having a book published adds credibility. A book, when offered instead of research papers, is normally written for a public audience, not an academic one. That's plainly what this website offers: argumentum ad populum. Validation by popular appeal, not by evidence.
Got a pet "theory"? Persecuted by "the man"? Have no fear, get the "truth" out here:
http://solotext.com/page/FAQ
Sen - I agree with you, but I get the impression you missed a key point I was making:
archeologists working the site now wear protective clothing
The claim is of strong radioactivity. The claim is that hazmat suits are required. Both claims are refuted by the many pictures online of the archaeological sites. No-one is wearing protective gear. This part of the story, meant add credence, is an overt lie which undermines the whole thing. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 11:11:06 PM | The infrastructure required to build even a single atomic weapon is immense and leaves A LOT of evidence. Weapons-grade Uranium or Plutonium do not exist in nature-- They need to be manufactured in very large industrial complexes. If ancient peoples were building atomic weapons, where were their enrichment and processing plants? Look at the size of the Oak Ridge, Hanford and Savannah River DOE sites where they produced fissile material for the first nuclear weapons during the Manhattan Project. Or the badly-contaminated areas in Russia around Chelyabinsk where they dumped the radioactive waste from the weapons material processing right into the Techa River. There are no archeological evidence of anything like this from 12,000 years ago.
There is no radiological evidence either-- Uranium-235's half-life is 70 million years while Plutonium-239's half-life is 24,100 years. If there are high concentrations of this stuff anywhere on earth (such as at the refinement/enrichment sites), it would have been easily detectable.
If fissile material is so abundant in nature and easy to obtain, anybody should be able to build an atomic bomb in their kitchen. And Bin Laden would already have nuked the United States many times over. Thankfully, reality is different. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 11:37:53 PM | Quote:
"Could have been a meteor"
reply:
The ancient India text was only quoted in part.
The text is very long and speaks of a great war
involving flying machines powered by the liquid
mercury metal, which in itself is interesting.
Mercury expands in low heat, and could drive a
piston with little effort, a piston which could
compress a heavy duty coil spring, and then rest
while the coil spring spun an electric generator.
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Quote:
"So who fired the "nuke"? Some advanced race from another planet?
Their way to deal with a civilization that was in barely out of
the bronze age was to nuke them?
Reply:
It seems, if the ancient text is accurate, they were well beyond
any "Bronze Age" and apparently however remaining survivors found
themselves practically back in the stone age. (If it happened)
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"it also reminds me a lot of Pliny the Younger's account of Vesuvius.
There are dozens of different natural disasters which cause huge amounts
of damage like this... and yet people choose to dream up ancient wars instead?
...is it because people are in denial and fear of the randomness of natural processes?
Reply:
Well, someone accurately "dreamed up" the effects of a nuclear fall out and wrote it
down 6000 years ago.
"As bright as 1000 suns, giant plumeof smoke, hair and nails fell out..." etc..
please share with us the ..."dozens of natural disasters which cause damage like that"
Perhaps some are in denial and fear of "randomness of natural processes" while others
are in fear and dinial of anything condrodicting what the ruling establishment's public
school class room teaches. A ruling class once taught the world was flat, as well.
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"We're supposed to be putting any faith into a 6000+ year old text that
speaks of an event that supposedly took place 6000+ years before that?"
Reply:
Perhaps it's not a question of your faith in a 6000 year old text.
But rather, a question of how someone 6000 years ago, was able to describe what
sounds like a nuclear war so accurately? "Hair and nails falling out" ...etc... ?
Interestingly, the time frame (12,000 years ago) coincides with western philosipher
Plato of Greece, and his account of an ancient war with "Atlantis" also said to be
a highly advanced civilization, and the likely perp of the India nuke.
Even the Bible mentions "Rama" and the loss of a people.
The Rama empire was the part of India where this suposedly took place.
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"Except that this is a lie. Lots of pictures of these sites online,
and the standard protective clothing appears to be shorts and t-shirts.
They never even mention a radiation hazard.
There are lofty sounding "scientific" institutes in India purportedly
reverse-engineering ancient technology. They haven't actually produced any results,
and despite their names, they're not research facilities, but religious colleges.
Then you have half of the post being a persecution complex, which doesn't add
ANY credibility. In one thing, I agree with the OP: It's an interesting read.
It's just not an especially scientific or well-supported scenario"
Reply:
Why is it not especially scientific?
The ruins are there, and the ruins are some of the most radioactive ruins on earth.
The ancient text is authentic and translation varified, Sanskrit being relatively
easy to translate, being the mother tongue of many of today's languages.
Are they ( all ) religious colleges?
I doubt they all are, as most religious establishments believe the world to be only
5000 or 6000 years old. Where as this war is said to have happened 12,000 years ago.
What "pictures" are you talking about? Do you have links?
Were the pictures taken before the health risk was observed?
As for the bit quoting me when I stated that, as if on shifts, they watch the
board 24-7 and it usually only takes them 10 minutes to sling some mud on the post?
And then followed up by adding that I must think "they're out to get me"...?
Well, go to the original post at the begining of the thread, note the time it was posted.
Then note the time of the first reply, ...it was his, ...and like I said, in that first post,
it takes them about 10 minutes, standard waiting time, any sooner and it becomes too obvious.
He was there in 8 minutes.
Just an observation, and occuring no matter where this topic is posted.
Example, copy the original post, you've my permission, and post it anywhere you want in
any discussion board, and watch the same thing happen, within ten minutes, someone will
rant and sling "no facts" "no facts" dispite the facts, and bringing none of their own.
I don't know if thay will be wearing an old west Sheriff hat like him,
the 'Thought Police' come in many forms.
And links having omitted the information are no more proof than links containing the
information. However if I had posted links, or the last time I did, someone ran and
filed a false report claiming I was spaming links. This is real touching sensative
topic matter isn't it? Okay you don't believe it happened, that's fine. But you
have to admit, there was one who didn't want anyone to even see it, they wanted it
off the board ASAP, ...that I find as interesting as the topic matter itself.
Excerpt:
"The story begins when a layer of radioactive ash was found in Rajasthan, India.
It covered a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. The research occurred
after a very high rate of birth defects and cancer was discovered in the area.
The levels of radiation registered so high on investigators’ gauges that the Indian
government cordoned off the region. Scientists then apparently unearthed an ancient
city where they found evidence of an atomic blast dating back thousands of years"
Source:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ancientatomicwar/esp_ancient_atomic_07.htm
Frog are you trying to say, after the government cornered off the area siting dangerous
radiation levels, that archeologists were too stupid to wear protection while digging?
Anyway..
The sites main page dealing with the topic
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ancient_atomic.htm#menu
The sites index page
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_hitech.htm
That site mentions names of the archeologists involved, etc...
It might be one of those bible college deals (I see the word "bibliotecapleyades")
And my Spanish is a bit rusty. But I think it is an interesting subject never the less.
Take it with a grain of salt,
but don't be afraid of it.
Because that's odd behavior.
Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't.
Who cares? It's ancient history.
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/2/2007 11:45:17 PM |
The ancient India text was only quoted in part.
The text is very long and speaks of a great war
involving flying machines powered by the liquid
mercury metal, which in itself is interesting.
Mercury expands in low heat, and could drive a
piston with little effort, a piston which could
compress a heavy duty coil spring, and then rest
while the coil spring spun an electric generator.
Anyone familiar with powered flight would laugh at that.
You don't build airplanes out of mercury or heavy duty coil springs because that stuff is way too heavy.
The Wright brothers had to use a very light aluminum-block gasoline engine to get their airplane off the ground for just 12 seconds. You put mercury, heavy duty coil springs, or heavy electric generators with heavy cores and windings on that, it will never get off the ground. And, the Wright Flyer can only carry a payload of 200 pounds (the pilot), nevermind a 1000-pound nuclear weapon.
Only if powered flight is so easy! | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/3/2007 12:05:42 AM | Gee, I guess the nuke on Japan was a hoax?
And my flight to Cambodia too?
And where do you suppose the nuke on Japan came from? Re-read my post above about the infrastructure required to build the first Little Boy atomic weapon used on Japan-- Do a google on "Manhattan Project."
And when you find a 747 powered by mercury and heavy coil spring engines, let me know. 
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/3/2007 4:34:32 PM | | More likely to be a meteor or comet strike, That would certainly be a lot like a nuke blast, even more powerful. Of course then there should be physical evidence, even if it was a nuke. | |
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/3/2007 8:03:15 PM | Anyone familiar with powered flight would laugh at that.
You don't build airplanes out of mercury or heavy duty coil springs because that stuff is way too heavy.
The Wright brothers had to use a very light aluminum-block gasoline engine to get their airplane off the ground for just 12 seconds. You put mercury, heavy duty coil springs, or heavy electric generators with heavy cores and windings on that, it will never get off the ground. And, the Wright Flyer can only carry a payload of 200 pounds (the pilot), nevermind a 1000-pound nuclear weapon. Only if powered flight is so easy!
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Are you on the same page? Are you suggesting an ancient high tech civilization
capable of making an atomic weapon, would deliver it in a paper airplane?
As for weight? A Jumbo Jet fully fueled with passangers can take off with a max
load of nearly 400 tones. The fuel weight alone is mind boggling. It could surely
carry any form of engine power it wanted.
As for the Mercury Piston kocking a tension spring, which could than spin a generator,
that was merely my way of stating one possible use for mercury, which would be more
efficient than any generators on the market today. Especially since 1/10th of the
electricity generated, could be used to heat the mercury for the next cycle, er? but that
would be over unity, and we can have that! Sounds like clean planet whacko stuff to me!
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/3/2007 8:30:48 PM | What natural disaster could cause this magnitude?
Well, for one, Chixiclub crater is one to look up.
I can't remember the name of it (nor am I really motivated to dig out my geophysics textbook to grab the name) but there was another impact event in Northern Russia which was more devastating than the nuclear bombs - lucky no one was really living up there.
A volcano would (however, there's not the characteristic ash layer here.) Mushroom clouds don't have to mean atomic bombs.
And I have to admit something... from your description (and the sites which came up from searching 'ancient atomic war') I didn't actually realize this was talking about Mohenjo-Daro until FrogO_OEyes mentioned the name of the site.
... Wow. Up until this point, I thought the most controversial parts of the Indus Valley Civilization were how it was pretty much thought to be egalitarian yet have some of the hallmarks of 'civilization.' That, and the whole naked man thing.
From the research I've seen and done, the reason why the area around Mohenjo-Daro is now a scarred desert has more to do with irrigation than anything else. That's right, folks - there's nitrates and salts in water. When you irrigate, you bring along those impurities in greater quantities than soil drainage and plant growth can deal with them, and the large amounts of salt in the soil built up over time sterilizes it. Sterile soil = no plant growth. No plant growth = no food. No food = chaos & dying society. | |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 8:33:48 PM | Are you on the same page? Are you suggesting an ancient high tech civilization
capable of making an atomic weapon, would deliver it in a paper airplane?
You just provided the argument against your claims that such things existed 12,000 years ago.
Ever seen the facilities in Seattle where Boeing builds its jumbo jets? Ever seen the factories of the contractors all over the world who supplies the parts necessary to build just one single 747?
Ever seen the facilities necessary to support a 747? Hangars, overhaul facilities, 8,000-ft runways?
Somehow if ancient peoples had things like that, there would have been plenty of archaeological evidence to support it.
Sorry, I haven't seen any 12,000-year-old remains that resemble aircraft factories, runways, or fuel depots.
You just shot down your own argument, amigo.
As for weight? A Jumbo Jet fully fueled with passangers can take off with a max
load of nearly 400 tones. The fuel weight alone is mind boggling. It could surely
carry any form of engine power it wanted.
You seem to be living in a fantasy land. "any form of engine power it wanted" in a 747. Sorry, 747s cannot use any engine power except the jets specifically designed for it and built to be as light as possible. Oh, by the way, have you ever seen the factory in Connecticut where Pratt & Whitney builds the jet engines for 747s? If ancient people are able to build things like that, one would think there would be archeological remnants for us to find.
Go ahead, if you are so smart, try to design and build a different engine system for the 747 using your heavy mercury and heavy springs.
If you want to make your stories believable, at least learn how things actually work instead of relying on childhood fantasies that applied engineers would just laugh at.
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Posted: 12/3/2007 9:43:58 PM | Quote"
"You just provided the argument against your claims that such things existed 12,000 years ago.
Ever seen the facilities in Seattle where Boeing builds its jumbo jets? Ever seen the factories of the contractors all over the world who supplies the parts necessary to build just one single 747? Ever seen the facilities necessary to support a 747? Hangars, overhaul facilities, 8,000-ft runways?
Somehow if ancient peoples had things like that, there would have been plenty of archaeological evidence to support it. Sorry, I haven't seen any 12,000-year-old remains that resemble aircraft factories, runways, or fuel depots.
You just shot down your own argument, amigo."
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Ever hear of "rust", Amigo?
As for anything that might have survived 12,000 years
Don't forget the archeology police are on patrol.
Here's but one of many examples...
http://www.viewzone.com/oklahoma.southend.html
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Posted: 12/3/2007 10:15:42 PM | Sure, an advanced civilization with widespread manufacturing infrastructure that produces all these complex artifacts leaves absolutely NO traces whatsoever. Right. Not even a nut or bolt made of CORROSION-RESISTANT ALLOYS (that means "RUST-PROOF," amigo) often necessary for performance parts or pieces of AN 8,000-FOOT RUNWAY CONCRETE FOUNDATION would survive. Riiiight.
In your fantasy world, rust explains everything, I see. More laughter from engineers who know better.
"archaeology police" indeed.
Keep it coming. It's entertaining watching you trip over yourself at every turn.
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/3/2007 10:52:25 PM | Well I wouldn't be suprised if their was. It's hard to say, because we don't know what people were like back then. But if there was it probably pitted the Bourgeosies {sp?} vs the democrats LOL...or else it may have just been the Sumerians vs the ancient Chinese doing it for old times sack. LOL haha.
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| Nuclear War 12,000 years ago?
Posted: 12/4/2007 12:19:00 AM | Wisdomtooth watching this argument is like watching Tyson beat up a 5 year old.
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