| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 12:23:34 PM | Let's hear peoples opinion on this SOB... This trial has been a long time running, I'm curious to see what people have to say.
Also.
Do you think Canada should reform it's position on Capital Punishment? At least for serial killers convicted of multiple murders, proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
I personally detest the thought that my tax money is going to keep this SOB alive & healthy, maybe even give him an education in prison.
Let's hear your thoughts on all of this | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 2:50:49 PM |
Pickton listened to the verdict with his head bowed. He will receive a mandatory sentence of life in prison and will not be eligible for parole for at least 10 years. Ten whole years!!! Wow...typical Canadian "justice". That SOB should be cut up and fed to his own pigs. Even they would probably spit him out in disgust. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 3:15:18 PM | Canada CAN NOT change the laws in regards to Capital Punishment. IT IS Unconstitutional.
If it is wrong for Pickton to have murdered these prostitutes, and the jury could NOT find evidence that he did murder them, then it is doubley wrong for the State to commit murder.
If you believe that Pickton should be murdered for commiting murders you are a hypocrite.
Stop the lies.
Someone convicted of second-degree murder will be sentenced to life in prison, but could have their minimum parole eligibility date set to anything between 10 and 25 years.
He will not get parole and he has six counts that's a minimum of 60 years.
Further the second trial on the other 21 counts should NOT be held, now that WOULD be a Waste of tax payers money. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 3:17:45 PM | Funny thing is the terms that are being used to refer to Pickton are the same terms WE use to describe street prostitutes.
Hypocrites again. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 3:22:32 PM | Ellegable for parole in 10 years is no the same thing as he'll get parole.
The guy is never going to get out of prison. (Good) | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 3:52:25 PM | | He has not even been handed a sentance yet! who says he will get 10 years? that is ONLY a minimum standard sentance that judges MUST impose, certainly not the only sentance they CAN impose. The punishments WILL run concurrently....meaning all at the same time. With 6 2nd degree murder charges on him, hw won't be getting any parole for a loooooong time. Not to mention that he still faces several dozen OTHER first degree murder charges at a later date. Canadian justice? It works...even if I don't agree with it all the time. At least the guy will be off the streets forever. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 3:55:39 PM |
He will not get parole and he has six counts that's a minimum of 60 years.
Nope...in Canada sentences are served concurrently, not consecutively.
and the jury could NOT find evidence that he did murder them Then why did they find him guilty?
If you believe that Pickton should be murdered for commiting murders you are a hypocrite. You obviously don't believe in the death penalty and that is your right, but why do you call people names who do not have the same opinion as you? In this country we have the right to our own opinions. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 4:09:53 PM | The judge can decide if the sentence is consecutive or not.
He was found guilty of SECOND degree murder.
Why hypocrite, because it's true, it also is not calling anybody a "name" it is the correct definition to ascribe to somebody that thinks murder is wrong yet wants someone murdered.
But the point is moot, Canada can never have the death penalty again, unless, the government uses the notwithstanding clause, that would mean and end to any political party that did so. This override power is temporary, as would be any government that declared it. Any notwithstanding clause declaration expires after five years.
Capital Punishment has been declared "cruel and unusual punishment" by the Supreme Court of Canada under the definition of our Charter.
Further Captital Punishment has been been put on hold in the USA for the very same resons, and until the US Supreme court rules nobody can be executed in the USA.
The USA is the ONLY democracy on the face of the Earth that still sponsors State murder.
Five reasons why Capital Punishment should be unconstitional.
David Milgaard
Donald Marshall Jr.
Guy Paul Morin
Thomas Sophonow
Clayton Johnson | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 4:29:37 PM | Anyone can make a list of names for or against capital punishment. I am for it....BUT...only in certain cases. Examples....Paul Bernardo, and Clifford Olson. Both not only found gulity, but even bragged about their crimes. Olson "sold" the location of his victims bodies to the families so that his own could have an income! (I don't know if that went through,,,but probably did, under the table. Anyways....yes...some cases where it is absolutly no doubt, yeah, they did and admit it, etc, etc, why bother keeping them alive? No appeals....just a rope.
This whole trial was nuts. People who "saw" others being "butchered" didn't get charged with anything. Nobody can say for sure who knew what. The police are the ones getting a lot of flak because they didn't do enough while this guy was operating...yet they caught him. Too many "disposable people" and not enough caring in the world to actually do anyting about it when they start disappearing. The police can't do everything with chronic shortages of manpower and underfunding.
Ah well..... | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 4:32:40 PM | How can we sit in judgment of Canadian law? Our justice system is as flawed as any other, we let habitual criminals out who go on to committ horrible crimes. We also have people who finally get justice when dna tests prove they are innocent. It's rare but it does happen. We are quick to criticize Canada because they don't have a death penalty, we love to shout FRY EM! In some cases you bet they deserve it, but Canada has it's laws and should be respected for it.
He will get what he gets and that's the end of it. Canada will never parole him, sure he has a hearing, but do you honestly think they will let him walk out? Not a chance.. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 4:35:14 PM | I have to agree with you yna6. They Killed Kenny can argue "cruel & unusual punishment" to the death ( no pun intended) I however think this man & others like him are a waste of air.
& life in prison is much to nice a fate for serial offenders.
I think we'll see more people charged in the upcoming trial/s. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 5:19:32 PM | I "argued' nothing; the CONSTITUTION of CANADA and the SUPREME COURT of CANADA along with our CHARTER of RIGHTS and FREEDOMS of CANADA have declared Capital Punishment "abhorrent" and "cruel and unusual punishment" and "illegal".
You are arguing that these esteemed bodies and documents are invalid?
You are publicly stating that you actually disagree with what makes Canada Canada.
Funny where were you when these street prostitutes were disappearing, where were we?
Where was the string during the trial before the convictions?
Where was the string when these women starting disappearing?
If there was true justice there would be NO street prostitutes, we would put OUR money where our mouth is and provide the programs and supports and housing and education that people need.
Nothing will change.
Now we wring our hands, gnash our teeth, and turn up our noses in faux disgust.
Yet as I already pointed out the very same EXACT words that you are using to describe Pickton are the very same EXACT words that you use to describe street prostitutes.
Screaming about it after the fact is useless, I bet you don't even vote, let alone travel to areas where street prostitutes work.
You certainly do NOT understand Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Serial offenders? So we should murder serial drunk drivers?
Serial shoplifters? etc.
As to the "list of names", I am truly and utterly horrified that as a Canadian you do not recognise them; they are the names of men that were convicted of murder under purjory by Police Constables and that would have been mistakenly murdered by the State if we still did have State murder. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 5:26:50 PM | "I "argued' nothing; the CONSTITUTION of CANADA and the SUPREME COURT of CANADA along with our CHARTER of RIGHTS and FREEDOMS of CANADA have declared Capital Punishment "abhorrent" and "cruel and unusual punishment" and "illegal"."
Yes, our Charter does indeed have soem serious flaws. One of the biggest is its very name. It should be amended to be a Charter of Rights, Freedoms and OBLIGATIONS. That last bit is very important.
BOT: Pickton will most likely never get out of prison, so that's a good start. And yes, another trial would be a waste of money. However, if the defense team decides to appeal, then they should be charged for obstructing justice, because, in my opinion, that would be pretty much the same as launching a frivolous lawsuit. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 5:28:34 PM | | I can't believe that evil b@stard only got 2nd degree murder.How do they figure six women murdered was not premeditated.After he killed one and was out trolling for another victim he damn well knew what he was going to do with them . I wish we had the death penalty . | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 5:31:20 PM | Why do you keep trying to put words in mouth. I have not said one word about prostitutes so please do not assume you know what I think and say before I've said it...
I believe Robert Pickton & anyone who acted with him should be put to death. And that is my final answer. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 5:48:17 PM | I do think the second trial should be held for the sake of the families of the other 21 girls who were murdered. Someone should be held accountable for their deaths. I do agree though that there should not be an appeal of the first case.
Speaking of cruel and unusual punishment, They-killed-Kenny, I read your entire profile. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 5:51:40 PM | I'll even take this one step further; Where were these street prostitutes families a decade ago?
Now that there is a media circus and TV cameras they are there.
Their only complaint, they want money so they can attend the next trial.
People are confusing Justice with Punishment.
Murder IS murder Is murder; no matter if it is commited by a serial or mass murderer, the State, or a Policeman.
Murder IS morally and ethically wrong.
Murder IS illegal.
A Second trial will do nothing to further Justice or to help the families or the dead.
It will be a waste of money, money that could be spent on programs.
The ONLY way that any good can come from this is if WE have a Public Inquiry into the Police's the Government's and the Family's actions that allowed these crimes to occur. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 6:08:34 PM | Well, I'm glad to see the verdict in. Based on what I've read, it seems a logical conclusion.
I trust the sentence will keep him off the streets for the rest of his life, and that society is safer for that fact.
As for capital punishment, I think that's wrong. Let him spend the rest of his life behind bars, until his last breath.
Pickton, 58, was found guilty earlier today of six counts of second-degree murder, not first-degree murder as he was charged.
He is facing another 20 counts of first-degree murder at a second trial, although no date has been set.
He's 58 now, so a life sentence is pretty much a forgone conclusion - especially in light of the second set of charges he still faces. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 8:17:00 PM | Well he's guilty then. Not a big surprise there. I would hope for once that the judge actually sentences a murderer based on the seriousness of the crime so that Pickton never gets out. I think even the most remote possibility that he'll ever be paroled is a bit of a slap in the face to the victims and population at large but then again, it is highly unlikely he'll ever walk out of prison anyway.
Personally I'm for capital punishment but this case doesn't (in my opinion) warrant it. Certainly I have no problem with executing a mass murderer but there is still plenty of room left to doubt that we have our man. I know, I know, of course he's the guy but we don't know that for absolutely certain. Unless I missed something nobody has actually managed to link him to the crimes via DNA have they ? With a guy like Paul Bernardo and his hopefully terminally ill ex-wife, they were stupid enough to put it on film. With Pickton, we don't have that evidence. That's why I don't think we could justify executing Pickton even though I'd happily throw the switch on Bernardo and Homolka if the law allowed it. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/9/2007 10:01:22 PM | Retribution is an important part of helping the public feel as though the 'justice' system is SERVING justice.That this perpetrator should pay for what has been done.
Personally, I believe we should bring back the idea of Wereguild (blood money). That if one breaks a law, they should have to pay for it - and not with money they have already, by working it off within the system. That money should go not only to programs to help with many of the social issues leading to crime, but also to victim's support networks.
This system would, of course, have to work very closely with Amnesty International or some other external reviewing board to ensure there isn't any abuse of prisoners... but it's not impossible.
as for the Code and the Charter - seeing as how this is a democratic country - they can be amended. It's perfectly possible. | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:10:42 AM | Oh please TKK...of course I recognized your "list of names" Did you recognize mine? As I said...anyone can come up with a "list of names". A lot of people carry a mental list of "better dead" in their heads. I made a list of a few. Many people would agree with me. Why should OUR tax dollars be used to support these people, when children have to go hungry in our streets? I can't see it. The money would be better spent helping them rather than keeping these guys alive and well in jail. You have the numbers anf figures it takes to keep ONE convicted mass murderer behind bars per year. (your kind always does have those.....and the dollar figure is ALWAYS far more than the price of a rope.)
If anyone does not understand the Canadian charter of Rights and Freedoms, it is you. This piece of scrap paper is ALWAYS superceeded by the wishes of the province. Quebec Charter takes precedence ALWAYS in comparison. Example...you do NOT have the "right" to work in English in Quebec....you DO have the right to work in French...in fact, it is LAW that you must use French first when being so much as a greeter at Walmart!
All "rights" are not enforced for the individual. The rights are ONLY enforced when they will benefit "society in general." Any company, school, corporation or individual can violate your "rights" and get away with it, because they have rights too, that superceed yours. Example....you have the right to schooling. BUT...the school has the "greater" right to pick and choose who they will school. Therefore, your right gets trampled. (Personal experience with CEGEP in Quebec....their 'right' comes far ahead of my own.)
Canadian "rights" are not "rights" at all...they are priveledges that can and are ignored at any time, and certainly not enforced unless you have the money to back you up.
Do I vote? Sure...every chance I get.
Are prostitutes going to keep doing what they do no matter how much money we throw at the "problem"? Legalize it, license it, tax it, and take the crime out of prostitution and you make it into a health problem that can have guidelines and "clean up" the business, also taking out a bite from organized criminal activity.
We don't provide adequate housing for our aged, our children, sometimes even ourselves. Make the hookers a part of the community and have them pay their way like anyone else.
Why even allow "divorce" for someone using the services of a sex worker? Why try to bring public shame to those who use them? Why make sex a crime? Puritan moralists....need a swift kick in the azz to wake them up. Oh sure, we'll hear about disease, etc....big deal. Bring it out in the oipen rather than hiding it under the covers and lets actually get an aggressive stance on it...far better that way than hiding it | |
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/10/2007 10:41:52 AM | ...I personally know the family of one the girls...where were they you ask?? crying and praying with out ceasing for her to return to her home town...
some don't return home because theyr'e ashamed and are lied to thinking they wern't worthy to return....
do the crime pay the time ! Golden Rule is "do unto others as you would have others do unto you"
I am pretty sure Pickton will reap his rewards....
What is the Vancouver mayor doing?....oh...hes closing down Gospel Mission's in order to provide a nice clean place to shoot up with a nice clean needle.
lets give the cops a break for just a moment.....they catch criminals and judges give them a slap on the wrist and release them....then the criminal is all up in the cops face mocking him....
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| Robert Pickton Verdict= Guilty
Posted: 12/10/2007 10:35:45 PM | | what goes around, comes around...what irks me more is he doesn't have to pay taxes, pay bills and gets all the comforts of home......Eye for an eye | |
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