| | Michael Vick sentencingPage 1 of 2 (1, 2) | Michael Vick was sentenced today to 23 months in prison and 3 years probation in his role of dogfighting. This will probably be his only sentence as more than likely any sentence he is given by the state will run concurrently.
Do you agree with this sentence? Why? | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 8:55:53 AM | Seems a bit light to me, though many who commit far worse crimes get lesser sentences.
More importantly, it sends a strong message to others who engage in dog fighting. Hopefully, the "sport" will cease to exist entirely, though that's a bit utopian... | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 9:06:18 AM | Depends on where he SPENDS that sentence. For instance, if he spends it in a white collar prison, then its nothing. I hope he has to spend it somewhere in "regular time". I think ANY crime involving violence and torture should not be served in white collar minimum security prisons.
Drowned, hung, and electrocuted them? WHY THE HELL WOULD HE DO THAT?????? When a simple INJECTION would have done the trick ....WHY THAT?
That is the part that infuriates me, and feels his mouthing of an "apology" is total bullshi*t.
I may not believe in the death penalty....but I DO believe in, and could dispense, "eye for an eye" type punishment. In this case I feel that at least one time for each dog he tortured, he should receive equal torture, up to but not including to the point of death. He should be electrocuted, he should be asphyxiated, and he should be held under water...........just so he can experience, personally, what he put the animal through.
I feel the same should happen to child abusers, child molesters, anyone who commits a violent crime. If they had to experience it themselves, they might be deterred to do it again. Too bad we don't have a holographic sensory-impacting implanting program that we can inject into these people.....that way, other human beings would not have to be the ones causing the punishment pain. The person carrying the holographic image would trigger his own punishment, every time he had an inappropriate thought in that direction. I sincerely hope there is some computer tecchie out there working on that! | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 9:16:10 AM | Living in UK where people get a similar treatment for gross offenses to both children and animals I am in total agreement with you girl! And that would go for both sexes.
I think you should run for President.........at LEAST Government! You hit the nail on the head!
Best Regards
Magge | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 9:43:13 AM | I hope he gets corn holed by the Baltimore 9...I'd say that's pretty good time for what he did I see people get probation for that sort of thing. It's too bad he doesn't get a chip in his leg that makes dogs think his leg is a big juicy leg of lamb.. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 10:33:40 AM | Given that so many athletes and celebrities seem to get off with with nothing, I would say the fact that he is at least doing time, that's probably enough (my expectations of equality in the justice system aren't too high, as you can see).
Keep in mind, though: That's roughly a two year sentence, but for good behavior, he could be out as early as the summer of 2009 (which would put his sentence around a year and a half). | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 2:15:35 PM | I actually thought he was going to get more time than that. So I'd have to say it's pretty good.  | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 2:33:07 PM | quote] So I'd have to say it's pretty good.
Yes, for him... 
Honestly, if you look at the big picture, he pretty much threw his life away. I'd say he is being punished enough.
I am an animal lover and have never argued in his favor (and I am not now). But the outcry and the steps taken have gone far beyond what I thought would happen to him. People who have murdered human beings have gotten better treatment (and please don't take this to mean I don't think he deserves what he got-what he did I cannot imagine doing to an animal. But I am just merely observing that point)
He was in the prime of his career, and from what I have read, was quite possibly destined to be one of the greats.
Now, he's been publicly humilated, lost his career (doubtful anyone would sign him again), lost all his endorsements, etc. He really blew it, and is obviously going to regret this for the rest of his life. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 3:25:52 PM | At the risk of being yet again a huge generalizer and sterotyper...
As Forrest would say, "Stupid is as stupid does". Just because you can run up and down some grass with a ball in your hands, does NOT an intelligent NOR quality human being make. A sports person playing a game is nothing more than a physical capability. THEY WERE BORN WITH IT. And they are put on FAR higher pedastals than they deserve. Underneath all the fame, he was still just a stupid, cruel human being. I hope he DOES regret it for the rest of his life. But you know what? The only thing he is going to regret?
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Posted: 12/10/2007 3:28:01 PM | OP, Michael Vick faces up to five years for the state charges. My understanding is that state and federal charges are two different animals so to speak. When he finishes serving his federal sentence, then he would start serving his state sentence. The federal government and each state government is a separate sovereign capable of imposing its own sentence. That is why I believe it is unlikely that Vick will serve his sentences concurrently.
He hasn't even been tried on the state charges yet. I saw that his attorney is requesting a jury trial on the state charges so that could be a few months in the future.
I hope he gets the maximum sentence because what he did was unnecessarily cruel. Of course, he only pleaded guilty because of the federal gambling charges, but I think the cruelty to animals charges should carry the heavier sentence. That, in my mind, shows a depravity of heart and mind that makes Mr. Vick deserving of many years incarceration. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 3:36:46 PM | | no i don't believe the sentence is great enough..do you think that light sentence will deter them from this so called "sport"?...NOT!!....if we truly want to make these horrid people cease to participate in this atrocity..we need to get a lot harsher..this guy will probably not serve his whole sentence and be free to do it again despite probational period..where there's a wll there's a way ..i agree..we should torture them in the same way they torture these poor animals or other human beings. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 3:49:30 PM |
OP, Michael Vick faces up to five years for the state charges. My understanding is that state and federal charges are two different animals so to speak. When he finishes serving his federal sentence, then he would start serving his state sentence. The federal government and each state government is a separate sovereign capable of imposing its own sentence. That is why I believe it is unlikely that Vick will serve his sentences concurrently.
Thank you for the lesson in the government of the United States. As a political scientist, I had no idea that the federal and state governments are completely different. 
The reason that I stated that Vick would serve his sentences concurrently is because that is the impression I was given be people who are well versed in the law. It isn't unheard of for a state to dismiss charges against a defendant, or for a state to run the sentences concurrently in the case where a federal case has already been involved and resolved.
Yes, Vick does face up to 10 years in prison from the state charges. He has two charges that carry a penalty of up to 5 years each. Five times two equals 10. Now, the constitution does protect us from double jeapordy, which Vick's lawyer does feel the state charges would entail. So, I would predict, as a political scientist, and as a person who has been in conversations with lawyers and those who are well versed in the law, that either the state charges will be dismissed, or he will plead Not guilty, asking for the sentences to run concurrently. If they run concurrently, end of story. If not, then you will see a series of appeals that will question the issue of double jeapordy. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 3:51:54 PM | Since the federal system has no parole yet does offer good behaviour tme off, I read where he can reduce his sentence by 3 months...
He probably will get a nice cushie min. security prison, but its still prison...
Cable, library, exercise/weight room, tennis/handball courts, climate controlled living arrangements, meals cooked, medical needs taken care of, and some have conjugal visits...
Damn, maybe I should get me a few dogs...
Now, when the state of Virginia gets hold of his ass and sentences him, he will find out exactly what prison is all about...
And thats a good thing... | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 4:17:56 PM | | No, he got just what I figured he would get a slap on the wrist, hes probably going to get the same when he faces state. Because of who he is. Its a outrage. He has about as much remorse as I do for getting that extra milky way...NONE!! | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 6:15:17 PM | He got more time than I thought he would. Even after testing positive for drugs will awaiting sentencing, I thought he would get at the most around 18 months. Apparently the failed drug test and not cooperating with the feds cost him some extra time.
He has lost over a $100 million in salary, endorsements and potential future endorsements. That is the real punishment, knowing you and your idiots friends just pissed away a hundred million!
Like I saw a comic state on TV... If you have stuff to loose, don't hang out with people who have nothing to loose. Eventually they will loose your stuff as well! | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 6:29:40 PM | There is a new program in prisons where they teach the inmates to take shelter animals and turn them into service dogs. I think Vick needs to go to a prison like that, not to train the dogs but to be on poop patrol.
Or maybe, he can serve as the "thug" they use to teach the dogs to attack, the thug part wouldn't be hard for him. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 7:54:42 PM | I dont' agree with his sentence. They gave him too light of a term. I hate it when you hear about people getting light sentences for their cooperation. I don't think that they really needed him to cooperate - I think they had what they needed... his little friends came out of the woodwork to hang him when they thought they might get on TV. I feel that they should have given him the maximum...
I also feel that he should have been sentenced to some sort of mental institution as well - most people would not be able to do the horrible things that he did - he must be psychotic. They need to send the message out to his kind: that treating animals this way is not accepted.
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Posted: 12/19/2007 6:18:54 PM | Hey Oceanpearl!!
I agree my friend that the sentence was way too lenient. He got a slap on the wrist for what he did. I'd say ten years with NO chance of parole or early release would send a strong message that society will not tolerate being so abusive to animals. | |
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Posted: 12/19/2007 6:44:04 PM | | Kind of sad though we as a society have more laws too protect animals then we do children, I'm not saying he should have gotten a lighter sentence infact he should spend the rest of his life working in a prison kennel as far as i'm concerned... But think about this for a second A woman can get pregnant and go too any corner clinic and get it taken care of and no one says a word, you buy a pet and if you don't want it after awhile you have too by law bring it too an humane society, and if you don't and you cause it harm there is public outrage... Kind of makes me think humanity is kind of twisted don't ya think..... | |
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Posted: 12/21/2007 2:28:49 PM | ^^^^I think your grasping at straws trying to turn this into a debate between cruelity to animals and abortion...
Hell, he was't fighting children... | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 4:02:22 PM | To the message above, see that's where I have to get off the bus, Stop blaming poverty for the Dog Fighting, The Killing, and every other crime committed in the hood... I grew up poor dude in an inner city, and never once ever thought of killing anybody, robbing anybody, or killing dogs just for the fun of it... That poverty excuse is the lamest I ever heard... And the argument of how the black african americans were treated doesn't hold water either, the irish when they came here were treated exactly the same, where do you think the term Ghetto came from... Michael Vick is not a victim of poverty he is an victim of bad choices as are most people that are on the wrong side of the law, everyone one knowingly and willingly make the decision too either do right or wrong... Maybe if the Black community stopped living in the past and stopped teaching hate, then maybe they would and could rise above what holds them down...In my city we have had over 370 murders this year and 300 of them were victims of black on black crime, kind of tells me that Hatred in that community is killing that community....Rewards come with hard work, and doing the right thing... | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 4:42:33 PM | Hector, seeing that we are in the midst of the holidays and I am on my way to the spa anyway (my name for banned camp) I will be quite candid with you.
I am looking for a companion dog for my dog Gracie, and most of the dogs that I have met are either Pit Bull or a mix of Pit Bull and they are very loving dogs, VERY LOVING DOGS. It is not until someone like Michael Vick comes along and turns that love into torture is where it all goes wrong. This has nothing to do with the dogs or race. This has to do with one VERY SELFISH individual who decided to use dogs to vent his frustrations in life. MICHAEL VICK IS AN INHUMAN PIG and frankley I think he should rott in prison, if not hell.
Yes, I am one of those. An extreme dog lover. Now, Gracie (my dog) and I need to get a massage. No, I am not kidding. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2007 5:31:36 PM | I love dogs, grew up with them as pets and adopted one from the shelter a few years ago. I believe what Vick did was wrong, however, this sentencing was a bit harsh considering that people have served about the same sentence for killing human beings.
Brandie46 | |
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Posted: 12/29/2007 5:09:58 AM | Ten years for dogfighting - that would be ridiculous!
I do wish though that part of Vick's sentence would have been a bar on
future participation in pro sports, just to send a message to other pro athletes. | |
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Posted: 12/29/2007 6:19:18 AM | Don't get me wrong, I think what Vick did was wrong.
But suggesting he should get 10 years or get his livelihood taken away permanently is a bit out there.
I understand in our culture we view our pets on par with people and in some cases part of the family. But at the same time someone can do far more severe crimes to PEOPLE and get less time. I am not going to go down the route of fairness in the legal system because that is a whole different can of worms.
All I will say is that in some parts of the world, dogs are food. I talked to a couple from Asia where they just couldn't understand the whole situation. To them it would be the equivalent of killing a cow or chicken here. No one except for the folks at PETA care about that stuff and no one is outraged when they are killed.
The fact of the matter is that it is a law on the books and he got what the judge sentenced him to.
What I don't agree with is the way people protest him and treat him much worse than any sex offender or killer would be. To me, dogs are animals and pets and should not be put on par with people. Sadly I don't think people would be as outraged protest him the way he is now if this guy killed someone or raped someone.
But to each their own. | |
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