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| | Mars and M&M's test on animals? [Thread Closed/Bumped]Page 1 of 3 (1, 2, 3) | Got a sweet tooth? Think twice before picking up a Mars candy bar! You should know that candymaker Mars, Inc.—creator of M&M's, Snickers, Twix, Dove, Three Musketeers, Starburst, Skittles, and other candies—funds deadly animal tests, even though there are more reliable human studies and not one of the tests is required by law.
Mars is currently funding a deadly experiment on rats to determine the effects of chocolate ingredients on their blood vessels. Experimenters force-feed the rats by shoving plastic tubes down their throats and then cut open the rats' legs to expose an artery, which is clamped shut to block blood flow. After the experiment, the animals are killed. Mars has also funded cruel experiments in which mice were fed a candy ingredient and forced to swim in a pool of a water mixed with white paint. The mice had to find a hidden platform to avoid drowning, only to be killed and dissected later on. In yet another experiment supported by Mars, rats were fed cocoa and anesthetized with carbon dioxide so that their blood could be collected by injecting a needle directly into their hearts, which can lead to internal bleeding and other deadly complications.
Click here to find out more about Mars' cruel experiments.
Mars' top competitor, Hershey's, has pledged not to fund or conduct experiments on animals. Other major food corporations—including Coca-Cola, PepsiCo, Ocean Spray, Welch's, and POM Wonderful—have also publicly ended animal tests after hearing from PETA.
http://www.marscandykills.com/index.asp | |
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| Mars and M&M's test on animals?
Posted: 12/10/2007 7:53:53 PM | | Ahhhh PETA. You got to love them. Their is a certain lack of context for these experiments isn't there? | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 9:13:59 PM |
Mars has also funded cruel experiments in which mice were fed a candy ingredient and forced to swim in a pool of a water mixed with white paint
Well how else are we gonna find out if a human can find a hidden platform in white paint after eating fifty mars bars? | |
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| Mars and M&M's test on animals?
Posted: 12/11/2007 5:34:02 AM | Ahhh yes Peta, the group that thinks humans should be wiped out so that animals can reinherit the Earth.  Hard to take anything they say or do seriously.
And since context is important, and every story has two sides, lets hear the whole story.
From Mars Website.
Our Commitment to Animals Mars,
Incorporated is committed to the well being of all animals .For example recently our organization helped raise $1.6 million to help pets in U.S. animalshelters find loving homes. Each year we also donate tons of pet food to animal rescueorganizations around the world to ensure that homeless dogs and cats don’t go to bedhungry.
Our Commitment to Responsible Research In developing our food, pet care, snack and drinks products, we do not undertake, support or sponsor research involving euthanasia, vivisection or the suffering of any animal. University Funding, Any corporate donations to universities, or other research institutes are made with explicit written instructions that none of the gifted funds are to be used for animal research that could cause suffering to any animal or involve research procedures that include euthanasia or vivisection.
Pharmaceutical Research Symbioscience, a separate business unit, is developing pharmaceutical and therapeutic food ingredients that have the potential to contribute significantly to human health and wellbeing and to alleviate or reverse existing medical conditions.
For example, we are currently researching the potential therapeutic effects of flavanol compounds on heart health,vascular health, cognitive health, the treatment of diabetes and certain forms of cancer. When it is required by law/regulation for the purpose of demonstrating the safety or efficacy of these pharmaceutical and therapeutic food products, Symbioscience does undertake research programs with limited forms of animal testing involving the use of rats and mice only. Such animal research is only undertaken where alternatives have been explored and are not feasible. We are aware that our Symbioscience research programs constitute an exception to the position we have taken on animal testing in all our other businesses. However, we are required to comply with legal and regulatory testing requirements when conducting this research.
Ensuring Compliance with Our Policy Mars Incorporated, has an Animal Research Review Board including both internal and external experts, which carries out an annual review of our processes and procedures toassure that our portfolio of research is in compliance with the corporate policy on researchinvolving animals.
So ya think maybe PETA is spinning things just a wee bit ??  | |
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| Mars and M&M's test on animals?
Posted: 12/11/2007 5:51:43 AM |
So ya think maybe PETA is spinning things just a wee bit ??
Oh yes, just a little bit. I knew there had to be more to the story. Thanks for the update. | |
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yna6
| | Joined: 1/21/2007
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| Mars and M&M's test on animals?
Posted: 12/11/2007 9:35:47 AM | MMMM....deep fried snickers bars.......
ok...where were we? Oh, yeah...PETA.....I never believe anything these idiots come out with. If it is endorsed by PETA...they get a shake of the head and a chuckle at best. Absolutly no cash donations, I won't read their pamphlets, I don't go to their rallies...nothing. They are the most undeserving of groups, in my opinion. The only thing they DO deserve is a close eye watching them. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2007 4:46:51 PM | OP:
Mars' top competitor, Hershey's, has pledged not to fund or conduct experiments on animals
Well that's mighty nice of Hershey's to take the high road on this subject. Now, about using slave labour to make their chocolate bars...hmmm...they must have something in their eye to have missed or overlooked that one:
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The $13 billion U.S. chocolate industry is heavily dominated by just two firms - Hershey's and M&M Mars - who control two-thirds of the market. Unfortunately, both of these companies fall into the category of those companies who use large amounts of Ivory Coast cocoa, and whose products are almost certainly produced in part by slavery.
Hershey Foods Corp., the nation's largest chocolate-maker, says it is "shocked" and "deeply concerned" that its products, such as Hershey's Kisses, Nuggets, Hershey chocolate bars and Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, may be made with cocoa produced by child slaves. The company, which has a long history of involvement with children, says it is deeply embarrassed by revelations of indirect involvement with child slavery. (Hershey Foods, which has a market capitalization on Wall Street of $8.4 billion, is affiliated with a school for orphaned and disadvantaged children, established in 1909 by company founder Milton S. Hershey and his wife Catherine.)
M&M Mars and Hershey Foods Corp. are not alone. Other companies whose chocolate is almost certainly tainted with child slavery include: ADM Cocoa, Ben & Jerry's, Cadbury Ltd., Chocolates by Bernard Callebaut, Fowler's Chocolate, Godiva, Guittard Chocolate Company, Kraft, Nestle, See's Candies, The Chocolate Vault, and Toblerone. While most of these companies have issued condemnations of slavery, and expressed a great deal of moral outrage that it exists in the industry, they each have acknowledged that they use Ivory Coast cocoa and so have no grounds to ensure consumers that their products are slavery-free.
Companies like Mars, Hershey, and Nestle often say that there is no way they can control the labor practices of their suppliers. But there are other chocolate companies who manage to do so, and it would seem that if the bigger companies really wanted to reform problems in the supply chain, they have the power and ability to do so.
There are in fact many chocolate companies who only use cocoa that has definitively not been produced with slave labor. These companies include Clif Bar, Cloud Nine, Dagoba Organic Chocolate, Denman Island Chocolate, Gardners Candies, Green and Black's, Kailua Candy Company, Koppers Chocolate, L.A. Burdick Chocolates, Montezuma's Chocolates, Newman's Own Organics, Omanhene Cocoa Bean Company, Rapunzel Pure Organics, and The Endangered Species Chocolate Company
...Most Western consumers, if they can identify slave-produced goods, would avoid them despite their lower price. But consumers do look for bargains, and don't usually stop to ask why a product is so cheap. It is certainly sobering to realize that by always looking for the best deal, we may be choosing slave-made products without knowing what we are buying.
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edisto
| | Joined: 9/11/2007
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| Mars and M&M's test on animals?
Posted: 12/11/2007 5:26:33 PM |
I never believe anything these idiots come out with. If it is endorsed by PETA...they get a shake of the head and a chuckle at best. Absolutly no cash donations, I won't read their pamphlets, I don't go to their rallies...nothing. They are the most undeserving of groups, in my opinion. The only thing they DO deserve is a close eye watching them.
I have NEVER read a post from you yna6 that you didn't call someone or a group a name!
you say “they get a head shake, a chuckle, they're idiots"
now, what do YOU know about them, NOTHING! you obviously believe what you want to believe based on heresy
in your own post you state that you “don't read their pamphlets, don't go to their rallies...nothing!!!” so your opinion is a moot point~
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either a person understands PETA's message or they don't, it is a life style that most don't adhere to ... that's fine, but this constant, venomous response to them when most really have never read a piece of their literature is ridiculous and baseless | |
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Posted: 12/11/2007 8:27:17 PM | Yep, it seems that PETA has jumped on the GreenPeace bandwagon - meaning that they will find causes where there are none and if they can't find one, they'll make one up.
I for one find this one a little far fetched - there may be some truth to it, but I'm thinking that this one can be filed under urban legend.
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edisto
| | Joined: 9/11/2007
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| Mars and M&M's test on animals?
Posted: 12/11/2007 10:27:56 PM | ^^^^^
Yep, it seems that PETA has jumped on the GreenPeace bandwagon - meaning that they will find causes where there are none and if they can't find one, they'll make one up.
your statement concerning Greenpeace and PETA is based on nothing and is ludicrous, they do not spend their time and money on "finding causes where there are none"...
the biggest "urban legend" is the belief that they fight fictitious and inane causes | |
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Posted: 12/11/2007 10:34:32 PM | Would you rather they test on humans? Maybe dome secret double blind tests to see if too much chocolate kills?
What is the toxic level of chocolate that a person can handle before having to go to the emergency room?
People Eating Tasty Animals member, the problem with free-range chickens is they are sometimes too fast to catch before you cut off their heads. Plus coyotes love unfenced chickens. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2007 5:24:47 AM | >>>either a person understands PETA's message or they don't
And what part of the PeTA message is about protecting convicted arsonists, and acting as a front to terrorist organizations?
What part of the PeTA message is condemning the humane society for putting down animals, while PeTA themselves have been known to, at least in one year, put down over 2/3 of the animals they save?
What part of the PeTA message is about condemning animal research for medical and comestic purposes, meanwhile they use the same medical research for things like insulin, like PeTA Vice President Mary Beth Sweetland? Why is the lab that kept her alive A-OK, but the lab that may cure AIDS, Cancer, and millions of other diseases completely deplorable?
They're hypocrites- more importantly, they're VIOLENT, DANGEROUS hypocrites, who cannot tolerate any disagreement- either you agree that animals deserve rights, or you do not deserve rights.
So please, tell me, what part of PeTA's message am I not getting? Because I most definitely have researched this, and I am disgusted by what I have found.
>>>Plus coyotes love unfenced chickens.
Nope! PeTA's stance is clear- if it depends on us to live, it does not deserve to exist- Cows, Chickens, Cats, Dogs, Pigs- if it cannot survive in the wild, we are supposed to outright stop breeding them and have them spade or neutered. Because, while PeTA has issues with killing animals, they have no problem with making animals extinct. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2007 5:42:28 AM | Ignorant, Arrogant Humans who believe that other animals are put here for us to use and abuse generally will argue against and name call Anyone or Any group that makes them feel the slightest bit guilty - ie: making "us" aware of our wrong doings is most often met with some sort of defensiveness, but underneath the b.s. - You know when you do wrong.
We don't "need" chocolate ffs!! And if you think its soooo important to have that latest scent and/or to maintain the current level of moral degradation in our species - then perhaps YOU should volunteer Your Animal A$$ for a few tests!
There are many of us who believe that PETA, Greenpeace and other organizations that do their best to protect and care for All the Animals on this little orb.
I guess we each have our own opinion on what is and "what" isn't important or worthy our respect And protection.
grr
A.S.is
(just another hairless ape!!)
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Posted: 12/12/2007 5:55:48 AM | Personally I love Animals, and reserve a place on my plate right next to the mashed potatoes for most of them. 
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Posted: 12/12/2007 6:38:03 AM | >>>We don't "need" chocolate
And who are you to decide weither or not we should be permitted to have it?
And you also completely avoided every single thing I said- If animal testing is wrong, then why are prominent members of PeTA accepting medical treatment that came from animal testing? If tomorrow a cure for AIDS popped up thanks to testing done on dogs, would PeTA reject it, or accept it like they have accepted treatment for many other diseases?
Nevermind- I already know the answer;
"Even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it." — Ingrid Newkirk, President and Co-Founder of PETA, Vogue Magazine.
I see- they're against the cure for AIDS if animal testing is involved, meanwhile the Vice President of PeTA sleeps well tonight despite her diabetes because of animal testing. They're hypocrites. Why don't they make a moral stand against all animal research?
A wonderful example is Jehovah's Witnesses- they believe blood transfusions to be wrong according to their beliefs- so do they do it anyways and condemn people who do? No- they reject it outright, even in cases of emergency.
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Or what about them in 1999 earning 17 Million Dollars- tax free, since they are a non-profit organization- and saved a recorded 2000 animals, only to put to death 1300 of them? Isn't killing animals wrong? Aren't they firebombing business's and labs and picketing stores because animal killing is wrong? Why aren't any animal rights activists picketing them?
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Or what about the fact that they have repetitively supported the terrorist organization Animal Liberation Front, who are known for many arsons of labs? They've paid Millions of dollars NOT keeping animals alive and well and NOT keeping them from cruelty and harm, but instead keeping arsonists on the streets- how is this helping anyone? They terrorize anyone who disagrees with them, and burns their homes and business's- how the hell is that NOT terrorism?
Don't get me wrong- I don't support animal brutality- I love the live and let live attitude that guides my life, and have never harmed an animal and would stand side by side with you to protect a harmed or abused animal- but these organizations do not exist to protect animals. They exist to cause fear, manipulate people and coerce them. They are about power, not animal rights. | |
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yna6
| | Joined: 1/21/2007
Msg: 19 | |
| Mars and M&M's test on animals?
Posted: 12/12/2007 1:09:22 PM | edisto.....nice to hear from the cheap seats...again. How's it going with all that save the animal stuff?
PETA has been calle dout many a time for their foolishness. Try hard...real hard...to think about the other 99.9% of the population that don't believe in PETA's dictums.
Than tell us again why we should not drink milk, eat cheese or eggs, nor meat! Try to tell me that "most farmers" don't care for their animals very well. Try to tell me that "most" slaughterhouses don't use humane methods to kill and get that meat to the grocery store. All these things PETA has spoken out against. I think I have a good idea who's trying to pull the wool over our collective eyes.
Nope....the ONLY reason PETA is even mentioned in the niews is for the "gag factor"....they are laughable! Very few people take the seriously...the rest of us just laugh at them and try to make sure their shouting is not taken seriously by our lawmakers. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2007 2:35:38 PM | your statement concerning Greenpeace and PETA is based on nothing and is ludicrous, they do not spend their time and money on "finding causes where there are none"...
the biggest "urban legend" is the belief that they fight fictitious and inane causes
I do know for a fact that GreenPeace and PETA have been known to build a mountain out of a mole hill. Take for example the seal hunt in Canada. If you look at the websites for these organizations, they are showing pictures of baby seals with captions such as "save the baby seals" or "stop the slaughter of baby seals". The hunting of baby seals for anything has been illegal since some time in the 60's. They know that the best chances of receiving support and donations is by tugging at the heart strings. If you saw a picture of a full grown seal, one most likely wouldn't feel as moved by the cause.
So, I will agree, that it may not be completely "urban legend", but either way, a lie is a lie.
I do believe that the underlying message of these organizations is good. Be good to the planet, be respectful. I'm 100% behind that aspect. I'm just not so quick to believe them when it comes to causes such as this one or the seal hunt - because of prior actions on their part.
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edisto
| | Joined: 9/11/2007
Msg: 21 | |
| Mars and M&M's test on animals?
Posted: 12/12/2007 4:49:53 PM |
edisto.....nice to hear from the cheap seats
sir, excuse me, are you trying to insult me because I have a different view than you?
Try hard...real hard...to think about the other 99.9% of the population that don't believe in PETA's dictums
99.9% where did you get this “fact” from?, I’d like to see the link…
Than tell us again why we should not drink milk, eat cheese or eggs, nor meat!
tell you AGAIN? where did I say it the first time?
Try to tell me that "most farmers" don't care for their animals very well.
show me the post where I told you this…
once again your post has NO substance at all…
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Even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it."
those truly opposed to abortion are against it whether it is performed as a birth control method, as a result of rape, or to save the mother’s life…
similarly, PETA’s stand is that ALL animal research is wrong, whether it is for education, cosmetic trials or AIDS research, that was her point! | |
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Posted: 12/12/2007 6:05:00 PM | >>>similarly, PETA’s stand is that ALL animal research is wrong, whether it is for education, cosmetic trials or AIDS research, that was her point!
And MY point is that PeTA Vice President Mary Beth Sweetland is alive today because of research done with dogs about diabetes on a means to treat it- if it were not for animal testing, the Vice President of PeTA would likely be dead right now- So why do they make a moral stand against animal testing, but have zero problems with receiving medicine that exist because of animal testing?
If Mary Beth Sweetland had AIDS and a treatment for AIDS was found through testing of dogs, you bet your ass she would accept it- but since she DOESN'T have AIDS, she doesn't care about the millions who are suffering from it- its elitist- 'do as I say, even if it causes you to die, but we're perfectly allowed to ignore our own beliefs if our lives are at risk for it'
Other organizations, like the aforementioned Jehovah's Witnesses, who make a moral stand against blood transfusions- they don't refuse it unless they need it- they refuse it, period- even if it costs them their lives. Thats consistent. Thats moral. To tell an AIDS patient they have to die because the cure was tested on animals, meanwhile the Vice President of PeTA gets to live using medicine that came about because of testing of animals, is insane and shows zero value for anyones lives but their own. | |
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NateC
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