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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:37:20 PM | With out getting into great detail, I had an Incident a few months back with a male co-worker that left me speechless , offended and truly annoyed and a little worried about being alone with him in the work place. I know clearly that it was inappropriate, this was not only verbal it was also physical on his part……..
My question to you is……….. Is it harassment only when you don’t find the other person attractive ? | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:40:34 PM | If it's something you wouldn't object to with an intimate partner but it's coming from a co-worker - consider it sexual harassment and kick some ass, report him, zero tolerance!
Whether or not you find the other person attractive is completely irrelevant if the incident made you feel as uncomfortable as you indicate.
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:43:39 PM | | I did Report him……….. I just keep coming back to the same question……… how offended would I have been had I found this guy attractive. | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:46:06 PM | Any type of contact which makes you uncomfortable , or you feel is inappropriate, should be reported. Trust your instincts, chances are you're right.
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:46:15 PM |
When is it sexual harassment ????
When you walk in the door at work!
Keep your eyes down, your mouth shut, and don't talk anything but business....all should be fine.
We have had a few incidents at work that can be classified as sexual harrassment, as we get more employees, people are learning proper office etiquette. Some in our office are saying the why now comment, which is just that it is more acceptable to be vocal now than it was 20 years ago, as there seems to be more "protection" for those who are being sexually harrassed.
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:48:33 PM |
I did Report him. how offended would I have been had I found this guy attractive
No excuse. Third party posts always make me think something not quite right with the poster. | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:51:14 PM | According to the good people at Human Resources and Social Development Canada:
1. What is sexual harassment?
The Code defines sexual harassment as any conduct, comment, gesture, or contact of a sexual nature that is likely to cause offence or humiliation to any employee; or that might, on reasonable grounds, be perceived by that employee as placing a condition of a sexual nature on employment or on any opportunity for training or promotion.
2. Who is entitled to protection from sexual harassment?
Under the Canada Labour Code, every employee is entitled to employment free of sexual harassment.
3. What are the employer's responsibilities for the prevention of sexual harassment?
Every employer is required to make every reasonable effort to ensure that no employee is subjected to sexual harassment. Every employer, after consulting with employees or their representatives, must issue a policy on sexual harassment. The policy must contain at least the following items:
1. a definition of sexual harassment that is substantially the same as the one in the Code;
2. a statement to the effect that every employee is entitled to employment free of sexual harassment;
3. a statement to the effect that the employer will make every reasonable effort to ensure that no employee is subjected to sexual harassment;
4. a statement to the effect that the employer will take disciplinary measures against any person under his or her direction who subjects any employee to sexual harassment;
5. a statement explaining how complaints of sexual harassment may be brought to the attention of the employer;
6. a statement to the effect that the employer will not disclose the name of the complainant or the circumstances related to the complaint to any person unless disclosure is necessary for the purposes of investigating the complaint or taking disciplinary measures in relation to the complaint;
7. a statement informing employees of their right to make a complaint under the Canadian Human Rights Act.
4. How should employers inform employees about the sexual harassment policy?
Every employer shall post, and keep posted, copies of the sexual harassment policy where they are likely to be seen by employees.
This publication is provided for information only. For interpretation and application purposes, please refer to Part III of the Canada Labour Code (Labour Standards), the Canada Labour Standards Regulations, and relevant amendments.
You can order additional copies of this publication, indicating the departmental catalogue number LT-039-09-05, from:
Enquiries Centre
Human Resources and
Skills Development Canada
140 Promenade du Portage,
Phase IV, Level 0
Gatineau, Quebec
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:53:29 PM |
I did Report him……….. I just keep coming back to the same question……… how offended would I have been had I found this guy attractive.
Well only you would know the answer to that question?
I'm confused. Are you seeking justification for reporting him or for possibly finding him attractive, and then reporting him?
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:56:19 PM | | I don’t think you get what I’m saying…….. Ask yourself this, if someone at your your work said something that was clearly inappropriate, but you found this person nice looking and you might even have a slight attraction to him…… would you still say that was harassment ? | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 8:59:01 PM | | If you look at the definition I posted, it really is a case of how YOU feel about the actions taken. If you are offended or humiliated, then you have some grounds for action. If you feel something else, then maybe not. | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 9:00:43 PM | Cheeky - in answer to your question in mssg 9 ......... Yes!
If it was inappropriate and it made me feel uncomfortable, I don't give a hoot if he looked like Richard Gere , in my books dam straight it's harassment.
Looking good does not excuse being an ass.
Further to Dianthus post - I agree there are those who are considered by some as being inappropriate but geneerally those people know their boundaries with certain individuals. No different than on POF for example; some of us may often joke around with those we are "familiar with" because of that reason - we know them, they know us and it's done in fun, and received that way.
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 9:03:04 PM | I think I understand the question. We had a guy at work that would say the most inappropriate things on a regular basis. Luckily for him, everyone adored him. He was the life of the office and brought laughter and cameraderie to the workplace. Had anyone else said the things he said, the individual would likely have been hauled up on harassment charges immediately.
I guess you have to know your audience. | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 10:07:14 PM | I was once in a bar enjoying a beer (yes only once) and someone rubbed my butt causing me to jump. I am not normally skittish but at that time it was one of the last things I was expecting. I felt uncomfortable even for a short time after when I turned around and found it was a not bad looking woman. Lets face it for all I knew she could have been a loony. She realized that it probably was the wrong thing to do and excused herself and wandered off.
Now at the end of the night after the last song of the set the band gets off stage and everyone is calling for an encore. Well here this woman gets up on stage and starts everybody clapping in time. The band is looking lost, they do not know what is going on. She said to everybody that she was leaving town the next day so she has nothing to lose and proceeds to belt out a song with clapping backup that would make Janice Joplin proud. Two hundred people went nuts when she was done.
Now this put the incident earlier in the night into perspective. No she was not loony, she was leaving town and normal rules of behavior did not necessary apply to her that night. Dano’s Cultural Stigma and sex thread could sort of apply here.
Now her coping a feel was misguided but in context of her leaving town and wanting to go out with a bang made more sense. If I had an inkling of this beforehand the night may have ended differently.
There is a fine line between what is acceptable and what is not. In my case just knowing she was leaving town may have reduced the creepy factor and caused her behavior to be acceptable. A remark may be uninvited from someone you find no attraction to might just get things rolling from someone you had thoughts about. Now in either case, especially at work, the person making the remark should have enough sense to feel out whether it will go over like a lead balloon before putting their foot in their mouth. | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 10:13:21 PM | Just curious what others have to say to this comment:
"If you have to think about something you are not offended."
I particularily like it, and wanted to see if there is any possible situation that it doesn't ring true. | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/10/2007 10:21:51 PM | well to my memorie,,,,, lets see ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, yup sexual harrasment ,,,,, was ex husband,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, lmao,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
that was fun side ,,,, serious side,,, it happens each and every day ,, some dip shit ,, plays crap,,,,,,,,,,,,, and oh my/ one day,,, I would really like to meet mr ,,, harrasment!
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/11/2007 6:45:02 AM |
"If you have to think about something you are not offended."
You hit the nail on the head (as usual) Caspian.
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/11/2007 4:00:09 PM | Well in my vocabulary harass is still 2 words to me (think about it lol).
But yes I conduct myself accordingly in the workplace and if they are offended by my comments then they have the option of standing in line or taking a number. | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/11/2007 8:14:40 PM |
Ask yourself this, if someone at your your work said something that was clearly inappropriate, but you found this person nice looking and you might even have a slight attraction to him…… would you still say that was harassment ?
so... if your partner grabs your ass and calls you sexy, is it appropriate for any other male to do it?
essentially, just because you would allow it from one person does not mean you have to allow it from anyone else. when a person you have a mutual attraction with says something untoward to you, it can be perceived as flirting. if you do not have an attraction to that person, it can make you a little uncomfortable. and as far as this man you're talking about taking this into the physical... NO man should be touching you unless he has received a clear green light from you beforehand. even something as simple as touching your shoulder is a clear no-no unless the man has a clear green light from you. (goes for women towards men as well.)
i do believe sexual harassment under the law requires you to tell the person, clearly and firmly, that their actions are unwanted before you can lay charges of harassment. workplaces/unions treat it a little differently. my personal preference is to tell the person first, in no uncertain terms, that i feel their words/actions are inappropriate before i take any further action. simply because of the very question you posed: would it be harassment if you were attracted to that person? no, it would be flirting. regardless of the law, in my eyes its only harassment after i have told the person to stop. unless it involves physical contact without any possible "invitation" (read: flirting) before the touching occurred. | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/11/2007 8:46:43 PM | My opinion is harassment is harassment no matter what, it just depends on whether you decide to view it as harassment or flirtations (whether verbal comments, through emails, slaps on the azz etc.) is your choice.
Yes if you are creeped out by this person you see it as harassment, yet the hottie in the cubicle beside you can do the exact same thing and it can be viewed as harmless fun.
Just watch as to what your claims are, if you are saying harassment, think of your own past behaviour...hopefully no one was misled anywhere. | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/12/2007 7:27:45 AM | Before we take off on one of those infamous POF tangents.... the OP eventually cleared up her initial post and mentioned what she experienced was only verbal !
She never put it into context or the situation when it arose. I have one question for the masses.... what happened to the old fashioned "slap in the face" or the infamous " drink in the face" ... seems to me both are clear indicaters to anyone.... who's on the recieving end of one of those slaps or splashes ..
"CROSSED THE LINE BUDDY" !!! Now it's "lets report it to big brother" ! What if this guy was just testing the waters of her humor ? Did he want to see if she was interested ? kinky ? dirty ? .
We really don't know what was said... it could be anything from.... " you have a very nice body" (which could be relatively innocent observation or can be a prelude to harrasment if he has one hand on his crotch and is druelling).
I too,.... often have to test a person's tolerance to jokes and comments. Ya never know if this other person is a prude or will "go with the flow" and throw it right back at ya !
But as caspain said it so simply.... if you were offended it would be a "reaction" and not a go home and think about it and report him just cause the OP thinks he's ugly.
Heck women flirt all the time, that doesn't mean they want him, and him ,and him... they're just haveing fun... correct if i'm wrong but as men we find that "acceptible" no ? | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/12/2007 7:42:22 AM |
...can be a prelude to harrasment if he has one hand on his crotch and is druelling...
"prelude"? actually, by the employment standards act "leering" is considered sexual harassment as well. one does not even have to say anything to a person. so, ed, grabbing your crotch and drooling is not a prelude to sexual harassment, it is sexual harassment... and one of those moments where i wouldnt bother saying anything to him first. i'd just report his creepy ass since that behaviour is something everyone should really know is inappropriate. | |
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| When is it sexual harassment ????
Posted: 12/12/2007 7:51:51 AM | Okay deranged I have one for you.... ( my example was an obvious embellishment to make a point ).
We're working togeather in an office envirnoment, your wearing a dress ( lower thigh / knee length) and you come over to my cubicle to discuss a report or something and the convo is going to take a few minutes... your legs are tired from wearing heels and walking a hundred miles in a 50 ft office...
You sit down on the edge of my desk and cross your leggs slowly... legs hurt and your dress is now "hiked up to mid thigh" But to me it appreared /seemed slow and Provocative ... seductive even....
Sexual harrassment ? Flirting ? ..... tired legs ? | |
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