| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 12/12/2007 1:37:36 PM | "The Bush administration has engaged in a systematic effort to manipulate climate change science and mislead policymakers and the public about the dangers of global warming," concludes a report from the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ivKdm9WOTaVP-h96OqHUmSFRQ6rQD8TER35G0
According to this report, the Bush administration edited climate scientists' testimony to Congress, limited public access to government climate scientists, and edited climate documents. Of course, the Republican party is calling the report "a partisan diatribe" and that the report is "biased and incomplete".
Of course, many of us have known this was happening all along, but WHY?
Why would our government knowingly cover-up climate change? Seriously, what's the motivation? | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 12/12/2007 2:16:12 PM |
Why would our government knowingly cover-up climate change? Seriously, what's the motivation? MONEY ... nothing but pure, unadulterated GREED.
Greenhouse Gas Emissions enter the atmosphere through the burning of fossil fuels (OIL, natural gas, and coal). Believe me ... if one owns stock in OIL ... they do not want us to stop burning it. But obviously burning it is causing Greenhouse Gas Emissions.
We need plants ... trees to absorb greenhouse gas emissions but there's a lot of money to be made in clearing forest land as well ... MORE GREED. To some, who stand to profit ... it's more important to have the money in their pocket than to save the planet for future generations.
If the significance of climate change is minimized ... it's a green light to keep burning the fossil fuels and shows no need for the forests either if the numbers don't show that higher greenhouse gas emissions are a problem.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/14919/#3
Forests: A Vital Part of the Solution
Trees capture carbon dioxide by taking it into their cells through photosynthesis. They then store the carbon in their bodies; a tree is comprised of about 50 percent carbon. Some carbon gets released back into the atmosphere through respiration, but the net effect is tremendous carbon storage. The Union of Concerned Scientists estimates that U.S. forests absorb between one million and three million metric tons of carbon dioxide each year, perhaps offsetting between 20 percent and 46 percent of the country's greenhouse-gas emissions.
The Union of Concerned Scientists estimates that U.S. forests absorb between one million and three million metric tons of carbon dioxide each year, perhaps offsetting between 20 percent and 46 percent of the country’s greenhouse-gas emissions.
When trees are burned, harvested, or otherwise die, they release their carbon back into the atmosphere. The 2007 forest fires in the United States, for example, are estimated to account for between 4 percent and 6 percent of North American greenhouse-gas emissions for the year. Some environmental experts believe climate change may be a contributor to decreasing rainfall in some areas, thus increasing the likelihood of wildfires. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 12/13/2007 8:16:48 PM | | Okay Bush/oil/greed/ yeah he's got the monopoly on it but I take Ventnor AVE. think about what is being shown to you and stop denying that it's all about money. There is no reason for the governement to be concerned with this when they are only concerned with world domination aside from trying to find other ways to fund it. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 12/14/2007 8:16:06 AM |
Well Charles, if you didn't know back in 2000 Al Gore announced that he invented the internet. If you don't know what that is it is pretty huge.
It's truly amazing how a published lie/embellishment can continue to mis-inform people. Unfortunately, it seems that Gore has received the brunt of these attacks.
You've been duped, ihaveaname4you .
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 1/8/2008 6:15:46 PM | | I've only recently read of this,it doesn't surprise me,assumning greed and money and ego plays a part,very much normal sounding for Bush,they just published a wonderful story of him stifling scientists research in this issue Discovery magazine,,he's been stomping on the environment protections and scientific research for years....business as usual,wouldn't one that causes so much damage to our country,and ignores so many civil liberties,constitutional laws,environmental laws, ect.be able to be called a terrorist,because it causes so much harm to our lives as americans and our way of life protected by our constitution living in a democracy,you know all of them don't need to strap bombs around their waist and live on the other side of the world to be fitting the definition of one | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 1/11/2008 3:45:04 PM |
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ivKdm9WOTaVP-h96OqHUmSFRQ6rQD8TER35G0
Dead link; here's the source.
http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?id=1653
You'll find links to the report itself and the supporting documentation at the bottom of the page.
As to why? As has been pointed out, look at who all the big money financiers of the Republican party are. Their primary motivation is a paycheque.
As to the keeping people ignorant for their own good/safety argument; since when has keeping people ignorant been beneficial to those people?
Al Gore and the internet....amazing how long that election year smear job has been going. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 1/11/2008 4:59:07 PM | rsx, really good post. Thank you for clearing up the facts about the establishment of the Internet. It is intelligent men like Al Gore who can play a pivotal role in getting things done. I lament that Gore didn't become our President back in 2000. We could have acknowledged the threat of global warming, which could cause us to run ourselves into extinction. People are so fixated on dumb issues that won't even matter once humanity goes extinct.
Global warming is a much more serious threat to our existence than such side issues as the abortion issue and gay marriage. The latter two issues have been beaten to death by right wing zealots who don't want the people to face the reality that global warming is a serious problem. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 1/11/2008 9:26:36 PM | For anyone interested, the IPCC came out with an informative and easy to read report on climate change. Online: http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/ar4-wg1.htm.
The IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) is a joint venture between the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environment Programme. The report is an authoritative statement of the scientific understanding of climate change. It answers a lot of questions, simply. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 1/13/2008 1:30:51 AM | The oversight committee say the Bush admin lied. All the mugs who believed him rally round saying it's the oversight committee lying. Then start spouting the lies used by Bush in the first place  . Keep up the entertainment, you guys are great. Can you say Clampett?
Don't worry the world wont end just civilisation as we know it. It isn't the warming that is the main problem but the increase in natural catastrophes as the earth struggles to maintain a balance.
Gets out the popcorn and waits for the insults. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 1/14/2008 9:40:46 AM | http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb&Issue_id=
U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007
Excerpts:
Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.
The new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee’s office of the GOP Ranking Member details the views of the scientists, the overwhelming majority of whom spoke out in 2007.
Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears “bite the dust.”...
Many of the scientists featured in this report consistently stated that numerous colleagues shared their views, but they will not speak out publicly for fear of retribution...
This new report details how teams of international scientists are dissenting from the UN IPCC’s view of climate science. In such nations as Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands, Russia, New Zealand and France, nations, scientists banded together in 2007 to oppose climate alarmism...
The voices of many of these hundreds of scientists serve as a direct challenge to the often media-hyped “consensus” that the debate is “settled.”...
This report counters the claims made by the promoters of man-made global warming fears that the number of skeptical scientists is dwindling...
I highly recommend the report in its entirety. Global warming exists, but man's contribution is unknown, and it will not lead to catastrophe... | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 1/14/2008 12:29:01 PM |
U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007
Here we go again with the “quote-an-editorial” routine again…
Senator’s Inhofe’s list of 413? R-o-f-l. Yah. Read it in its entirety! The list is a perfect example of the type of tactics used when facts don’t give any support. Here’s a link that exposes just how out of whack this was:
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/inhofe-global-warming-deniers-47011101
Nice try, but just more of the same already debunked cut and paste billboarding. Stick with the REAL peer-reviewed stuff and check your sources people. This is just the latest in the Inhofe hoaxes.
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 1/14/2008 12:56:59 PM | Here we go again with the routine again…LOL using a site funded by the Hearst Corporation & staffed with Al Gore disciples. The home page even states that the site creators were inspired by An Inconvienent Truth. Give me a break.
Nice try, but next time try NOT using a far leaning biased corporate funded 1-geek home computer site to debunk a so called far leaning similar site.
As you say...stick with the REAL stuff and check your sources. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 1/14/2008 1:12:34 PM |
Nice try, but next time try NOT using a far leaning biased corporate funded 1-geek home computer site to debunk a so called far leaning similar site.
ROFL. Nice try. We are sticking to the facts.
It's the facts that debunk Inhofe's latest hoax, not the messenger. Whether or not 1 geek managed the site, or 50 chimpanzee's ran it is not the issue. How Inhofe misrepresents the 400 is what matters.
It's not the site, it's what's written. As you say... Give us all a break and stick with the facts.
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 2/3/2008 3:36:28 PM | Lets do a contrast.
the 400...
Here's a quick breakdown of Johnson's findings:
Inhofe's list includes 413 people. (Score one Inhofe; the math holds up.)
84 have either taken money from, or are connected to, fossil fuel industries, or think tanks started by those industries.
49 are retired
44 are television weathermen
20 are economists
70 have no apparent expertise in climate science
Several supposed skeptics have publicly stated that they are very concerned about global warming, and support efforts to address it. One claims he was duped into signing the list and regrets it.
vs
the American Geophysical Union, which includes 50,000 earth, ocean and atmospheric scientists, among others, whose first mission is to value the scientific method (rational skepticism), has stated since 2003 that "Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth's climate. These effects add to natural influences that have been present over Earth's history. Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural influences cannot explain the rapid increase in global near-surface temperatures observed during the second half of the 20th century. ... The unprecedented increases in greenhouse gas concentrations, together with other human influences on climate over the past century and those anticipated for the future, constitute a real basis for concern."
Huh. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 2/3/2008 3:51:30 PM | | I have seen alot of you people on other threads. How come you are so, so, so quick to believe our government will cover up some things, but yet believe every single thing you hear our government say about other issues. As long as its something negative, you believe it. Something positive, you believe theres a cover up. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 2/3/2008 5:36:30 PM | Heck yes, I see it. I see lies and cover ups. I see things that are bad that alot of these people believe, and refuse to believe the "good" truth when it is spelled out for them. what if Bush said he was going to give evey american a new car. People would come up with evry thing to show the greed. But I bet if Bush said he was a greedy president, people would not look for an argument.People just want to believe the bad.Well, I think they know the truth, they are just to arrogant to admit it or they say what people want to hear rather than say how they really feel.
As far as covering up climate change, alot of people have said greed. Why cant someone give a positive reason why Bush may be covering it up. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 2/4/2008 9:08:18 PM |
The American Geophysical Union(AGU), which includes 50,000 earth, ocean and atmospheric scientists, among others....
Sorry, the AGU has 50,000 MEMBERS - not 50,000 scientists.
ANYBODY can be a member. All they want is your $20.
I have an idea: lets you & me join! Just go to their website & click on the membership page. There's a form to fill out with your Visa #. Then they can claim 50,002 members!
84 have either taken money from, or are connected to, fossil fuel industries, or think tanks started by those industries
These institutions make up a PARTIAL list of those who have also taken money from, or are connected to fossil fuel industries through research programs & funding.
Actually, these are only the places that have taken money from BP for climate & alternative fuels research. I havent even looked at who EXXON/MOBIL has funded. Nor CHEVRON. I know those who graduated from these places ARE members of the AGU. I suppose we must discount them. I bet there are far more than 84 of them:
University of California
University of Colorado
Stanford University
Iowa State University
University of Texas
Arizona State University
Princeton University
University of Illinois
Purdue University
University of Manchester
49 are retired
So being retired makes one null & void....I see. I thought it makes for a more unbiased, uninfluenced , & undistracted wealth of knowledge . So we must now discount all the retired members of the AGU. Far more than 49, I bet.
44 are television weathermen
NEWS FLASH: TV weathermen are METEOROLOGISTS.
METEOROLOGISTS are CLIMATOLOGISTS.
METEOROLOGISTS are the ones who create those darn computer climate models that everybody talks about.
I suppose we must discount most climatologists from the AGU, since many of them are also considered meteorologists, too, but are probably just too ugly or lack the charisma to be on TV. Far more than 44 I bet.
20 are economists
Well, considering the AGU has its own finance committee, it also has economists that make up part of its membership. Far more than 20 I bet. Discount them, too.
70 have no apparent expertise in climate science
And when I join the AGU, I, along with thousands of other members, will also have no apparent expertise in climate science, but they apparantly will have banked my $20 membership fee, no questions asked. Discount us, too. Far more than 70 for sure. | |
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 2/5/2008 9:43:33 AM | Ok, regardless of the ad-hominy attacks both sides of this debate are digressing and using logical fallacies, first off SCIENCE IS NEVER CERTAIN even things like the theory of gravity and the theory of relativity are still only THEORIES, nothing in science is ever 100% certain. Second just because something isn't 100% certain that doesn't mean we shouldn't take action and do something, this is called the precautionary principle, it's the same reason why you lock your doors when you go to bed, the chances are very slim (probably less than 1%) that someone will try to open your door and get inside while your sleeping but you still lock the door anyway just in case.
So with climate change we take action to prevent it even if we don't know for certain that it's happening and what's the worst that could happen? Well some people say the economy will suffer, but will it really? After all sure a few oil workers might lose there jobs and Exxon won't be able to post record profits but all the money and jobs will simply refocus, the oil worker can get a job building wind mills, and Somesolarpanel Company INC will get all that money that would have flowed into Exxons pockets. In fact by creating a whole new set of industries the flagging economy could potentially be revitalized.
So what happens if we do nothing and global warming is caused by us what's the worst that could happen there? Well widespread coastal flooding, collapse of the biosphere, unknown effects to ocean current systems, and all kinds of other unpleasantness.
As for the whole 400+ guys say it's not happening thing, even if they are all perfectly legitimate scientists they could only find 400 of them. How many scientists are there in the world? Tens of millions? Lets just say there are 1 million in North America so 400 of those one million would be 0.04%. Hmmmmm that seems like an awfully small number.
So would you rather lock your door just in case, even though buying the lock and having it installed might cause you some temporary economic hardship, or risk it and have the chance of waking up one night with a masked man with knife looking down on you? Same goes for climate change and there is a good deal more certainty about that than about someone coming into your house.
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| Committee finds Bush administration guilty of climate-science tampering....really?
Posted: 3/12/2008 6:41:16 PM | I'm curious how you know that the claims that it is "a partisan diatribe" and that the report is "biased and incomplete" are not true?
For the Bush administration global warming is not an issue. There is plenty of evidence to support their position. Maybe it's not a cover-up. Maybe it's just a
differing opinion and prioritization of this issue.
I have never posted a link in the forums before because I don't follow them myself when others post them. However, I will make an exception in this case. The link is to an article written by Bob Carter in the UK. It is an EXCELLENT article on how global warming does not currently exist. Here it is: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1613532/posts | |
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