| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/19/2007 1:08:01 PM | | currently in the U.S. baseball is the whipping boy for PEDs (preformance enhancing drugs). everyone is quick to denounce baseball but the thing people are not realizing is that PEDs are prevelant in all organized sports around the world. soccer, hockey,football to name a few. no sports are immune to PEDs influence. so i ask you how do you feel about the sport you know and love when you know(or should) that the participants are using PEDs. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/19/2007 2:23:55 PM | I think all should be allowed. I don't consider using technology to be cheating, and PEDs are just another form of technology to me.
Otherwise the hockey goalies would still be wearing little gloves and have no masks. And the sticks qoul be made out of wood, carved in your barn.
Baseball players wouldn't be allowed to having wicking uniforms, big gloves, fancy shoes, or this new ball.
And when are they going to target FOOTBALL for steroids? Do you really expect me to believe that young man is "naturally" 380 pounds???? | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/19/2007 3:06:29 PM | | wow, thats a unique perspective. considering we dont have a clear idea what the effects are long term, physically and mentally, i would say thats a pretty big risk. technology and physiology are two different things. i do not share your opinion but you are welcome to yours. what about the wrestling industry, when i think of blatant PEDs abuse that the first industry to pop up in my mind. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/19/2007 4:46:16 PM | "what about the wrestling industry, when i think of blatant PEDs abuse that the first industry to pop up in my mind. "
I think Brett Hart said it best about steroids in wrestling, at least in professional wrestling.
"Why bother? It's silly, when you think about it. There's no need for performance enhancing drugs in a staged sport, where the outcome is pre-determined."
Of course, I'm paraphrasing, but it was something along those lines and it's true, when you think about it. The only reason for steroids in wrestling is the asthetic result. And yet, when you talk about PEDs in sport, you're right - wrestling has to be the most rampant. And if you want to study the long-term effects, just look at the list of professional wrestlers who die before ever collecting any kind of old age pension. It's a very long list indeed, and it grows every year.
That said, should wrestling even have a PED policy? It's not like they have to clean up the sport, or level the playing field - it's nothing more than performance art. A steroid policy in wrestling is akin to an alcohol or cocaine policy in Hollywood. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/19/2007 4:54:05 PM | | why bother? its not silly to me. PEDs are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to whats wrong with professional wrestling. unfortunatley millions of children look up to these freaks and want to be just like them when they grow up. the bottom line is they will have to take PEDs in order to even have the chance. even though wrestling is nothing more than a glorified soap opera they need to be regulated because their influence is too strong over the youth of america and parts of the world | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/19/2007 4:55:19 PM | The NHL is what i watch and follow the most so i will comment on this.
"people are not realizing is the PED's are prevelant in all organized sports around the world"
yes but some sports are in a not as drug filled as other sports. We wont see a Mitchell Report into the NHL and i doubt their will be an inquiry any time soon as well.
In hockey PED's are less common. Does it happen in the NHL, yes, but it is a small minority compared to baseball. I dont think there is any need for Bettman to hire an investigation to keep the sport clean. From what i have read the NHL's doping policy is a relatively good program.
Steroid use in hockey is not an issue. Players in the NHL are tested up to 3 times a year (since 2006).
Only 1 player failed a drug test to date.
Sean Hill.
Do a few escape the testing..im sure it happens but its minimal.
Sean Hill who violated the NHL's anti doping policy was hit with a 20 game suspension.
There just is not much news are on steroids or drugs in the NHL. Simply coz its not a part of NHL culture and with a good existing doping program in place to keep the NHL clean. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/19/2007 5:07:18 PM | | you honestly believe that hockeys PED problem is smaller than baseballs? is it really that easy to make an NHL team these days, because if it not than people will do whatever it takes to get a competitive edge. why doesnt hockey test players over the offseason? (because thats when players use the steroids for the most part) why does hockey give players 24 hour notice on supposedly random tests? Because that gives them ample time to clean out their systems) why doesnt an independent party preform and oversee the testing procedures? (because they only wanted one person to be caught) hockeys drug policy is a sham just like in all the other sports. the only reason its in place is so the average fan thinks there is no problem and feels like everything is peachy keen but in reality only a complete ignoramous would get caught with a system like that. doping is a problem in all of sports, hockey included. until the public realizes this the problem cant be fixed | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 8 | |
| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/19/2007 8:11:46 PM | "why does hockey give players 24 hour notice on the supposedly random tests"
Source please?
not looking for your opinion again on your statement. Want to see fact from a credible source. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/19/2007 8:58:05 PM | " the bottom line is they will have to take PEDs in order to even have the chance. "
Not even close to being true in wrestling. No need for me to expand on that comment. Wrestling is fake. Yes, having a ripped body may give you a look, but having top-notch mic skills will get you further in today's WWE than a six pack will. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/19/2007 9:04:39 PM | Here is the methodology that needs to be in place for a sound 'random' drug testing program
1. specimens are to be collected WITHOUT notice to the player(s)
2. the voiding of urine needs to be witnessed (please don't laff!...pple pay to keep a clean urine specimen on hand) and handled by an impartial observer.
3. chain of custody needs to be in place.
4. testing is to be done by an independent lab (or labs).....who must not know the name of the person who gave the specimen.
...even if the league has genuine intentions to clean up the sport....if something like this isn't in place then the testing will basically be a 'sham'!.
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i'm of the opinion that most pro-leagues just want the 'illusion' of drug testing to be convincing enuff for fans and media to be placated.....and keep going to the game(s). | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 7:00:06 AM | message 10 i concur completely about pro leagues wanting the illusion of drug testing, however i dont think its most leagues currently it all leagues. i am not familiar with all leagues testing procedures around the world but if someone knows of one who is up to par i would be interested in hearing about them
The poster about wrestling cmon are you serious. drug use in wrestling is out of control and it could not be more obvious. open your eyes and take a look at the tv screen. you think that comes from hard work the unnaturally muscular agressive men and women they have employed in the wrestling industry. i hate to rain on your parade but i am not surprised they havent come to the ring with a needle still sticking in their butt. pro wrestling is not a sport anyway, i am only worried about the effect it has on children. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 8:13:21 AM | "The poster about wrestling cmon are you serious. drug use in wrestling is out of control and it could not be more obvious. open your eyes and take a look at the tv screen"
Fishernick, how about you open your eyes and read the post for a change. I have already concurred with you that steroids are rampant in wrestling. What I disagreed with is your comment that there's no chance for anyone to become a pro wrestler WITHOUT taking steroids. Should I be surprised that you jumped all over a comment without reading it though? Absolutely not....it's becoming commonplace with you. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 13 | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 11:08:36 AM | | well i guess you are going to have to break it down for me then prairie. i said that people are going to have to take PEDs in order to have a chance, then you said not even close to being true in wrestling. it is absolutley true. yhea there are your small percentage novelty acts that are not the roid raging norm but as it was in the past, present and foreseeable future you need to be a freak of nature to make it in the pro wrestling industry. i read your post and understood it as i read all other posts i respond to. maybe you worded it incorrectly and actually meant something else i was just responding to your words. at least you made one hockey fans day because he thought you did something that they were incapable of doing. lets try to stick to the issue at hand though, pro wrestling is not a sport. presently in the state that wrestling is in you do have to take PEDs to have a chance, they are going to have to change the whole industry in order to change that. which seems like a tall order given it has been that way for many years | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 11:51:21 AM | Ok, I have to jump in on this fact of the matter is, PEDS and steroids ARE NOT NECESSARY to be a pro athelete or wrestler. They are the EASY way to become one. While I agree that they are rampant in almost every league, pro, semi pro, even some amatuer, I disagree with the idea that in order to be a Pro wrestler or top notch pro athelete that you must be on something.
I am certainly no professional athelete, nor do I have asspirations to be ( anymore ). I did play universtiy football and have seen the effects steroids have on a players body. I learned what it takes to be a pro athelete, the time, dedication and desire needed to do it is something that 99% of the people in society would never do. It is all consuming. PEDs and Steroids offer a shortcut, an easier route to get to the same place, while putting your health at risk.
I have never used nor never will use anything beyond a supplement (which I no longer use either) and I sit today at 5'11" 325 lbs. That muscle mass has been built up over the years through good diet and loads of hours in the gym. Its not easy and at the end of every workout I feel like I have been hit by a truck. That exact feeling is what turns the athelete to the drugs. The majority of pro atheletes and wrestlers are able to deal with that feeling without the use of anything. Those that choose to use PEDs and Roids do so as a short cut. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 1:02:37 PM | i really dont want this to become a wrestling debate. with the system that is pesently in place in pro wrestling it is next to mandatory for the wrestlers to at some point take PEDs in order to have a chance. they are inhuman freaks of nature. wrestlers even make NFL players look small. until wrestling changes its image , it is necessary to take PEDs to be competitive. i applaud you for your hard work and dedication but i bet that your 325 looks nothing like the wrestlers we see on the television. like you said PEDs are the easy way out so hard work and dedication has become obselete.
when i started this thread i thought people who were fans of different sports would post comments amounting to "its not a problem in my sport". are baseball players a group of criminals with no morals? are baseball players different than other professional athletes? why is this only a problem for baseball and not all organized professional sports all over the world? for anyone who does not think that PEDs are a reality in their sports world i suggest you wake up now and realize the severity of this problem. the sooner it is identified the sooner we can get this behind us. i do not enjoy doubting every accomplishmnet i witness nowadays, wondering if they were juiced or not | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 1:10:13 PM | "i really dont want this to become a wrestling debate"
If you don't want it to become a wrestling debate, quit posting uninformed opinions like ...
" with the system that is pesently in place in pro wrestling it is next to mandatory for the wrestlers to at some point take PEDs in order to have a chance. "
... as if they were fact. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 1:22:58 PM | | yes you are right i admitt it. they all get that absurdly large through hard work and dedication. i cant believe my judgement could be so clouded as to ever think that pro wrestlers were taking PEDs. there is document after document to support my previous statements and more investigations are in the works. it would be nice if some people brought something to this debate besides an attitude^^^^ | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 3:36:17 PM | you just don't get it do you fishernick. the point is, they aren't ALL that large. They aren't ALL on steroids and they don't NEED steroids to have ANY CHANCE WHATSOEVER at being a pro wrestler.
Like I have repeatedly said, and which you completely ignore (big surprise), YES....STEROIDS ARE RAMPANT IN PRO WRESTLING!!!! (Does it help if I use all caps for you?) The point I was trying to make, which, again, you completely ignore, is that, contrary to your statements presented as fact, steroids are not fundamentally necessary to make it in professional wrestling, particularly in this day and age. Promotors themselves do not even call it a sport anymore. It's performance art and microphone skills are every bit as important as size, if not more so.
as for the comment "it would be nice if some people brought something to this debate besides an attitude"....if that doesn't reek of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what does. | |
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Joined: 10/14/2006
Msg: 20 | |
| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 3:52:48 PM | "steroids are not fundamentally necessary to make it in professional wrestling"
exactly.
NOR are they necessary in the NBA or NHL. (or even the badly viewed MLB).
You dont see huge bulky guys in basketball or hockey. But you do in baseball...go figure and half of each innniing they sit on the bench...Many of the bigger baseball players are DH's and dont even play defence. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 3:56:33 PM | | wow i can really push your buttons. im amazed at the amount of emotion you portray in your posts. calm down buddy you seem to be raging for no apparent reason. i did not ignore anything you said, i disagreed. there is a difference. you even say yourself that steroids are rampant in wrestling and then you say steroids are not fundamentally necessary to make it in pro wrestling. that is a complete contradiction. rampant means widespread or unrestrained so in order to be competitive in an industry with rampant PEDs use you have to use them to have a chance. until they change the way they do things that is not going to change. i understand that it is not in the by laws that you have to use PEDs and im sure there are a few wrestlers who dont use PEDs. that does not change the fact that the majority of the freaks we see on tv are using PEDs. something does reek here and i think its that clear cream you are rubbing all over yourself | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 4:15:20 PM | PEDs are not just about making you a muscular freak. look again because there are some pretty bulky guys in the nba and the nhl. for the most part that bodytype is not wanted in these sports because people lose agility. hockey has transitioned to more of a speed game since the lockout so they dont need hulk hogan on the ice. the NHL has a PEDs problem as does the NBA and almost all sports on the face of the planet
FYI average size of nhl player opening day 2007 6'1 204lbs
average size mlb player 1990-1999 6'1 and a half 192 lbs i could not find current stats on mlb | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 5:55:25 PM | | I thought this thread was about PEDs in sports and then I read on to find out it's mostly about PEDs in wrestling. Professional Wrestling is far from being a sport. It's a show that body builders are putting on. They choreograph a fake fight, then they get dressed up to fake an identity, and then they take they're clothes off until they are in nothing but a speedo and shiny boots, then they play grabass for a little while until one lays on top of the other for three seconds. That may be a sport in the gay community but I don't think it should be included in this discussion about PEDs in sports. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/20/2007 6:10:23 PM | "you even say yourself that steroids are rampant in wrestling and then you say steroids are not fundamentally necessary to make it in pro wrestling. that is a complete contradiction."
That's not a contradiction at all. Here's an analogy of what you just claimed. Heroin use in downtown Vancouver is rampant. According to your statement, it would be a complete contradiction to to say that heroin is not fundamentally necessary to live in downtown Vancouver.
Fishernik Logic 101.
Class dismissed. | |
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| STEROIDS and PEDS in all sports, your thoughts
Posted: 12/21/2007 3:19:48 AM | | Barry Bonds and everyone else who ever took peds or steroids will always have to ask themselves if they could have done it without them. The answer is maybe,but how will they ever know. That is the sad truth. | |
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