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 towerofstrength
Joined: 3/22/2007
Msg: 1
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A question i've always wondered what comes after Windows we all know what a pile of rubbish it is and how windows is slowly dying a painfull death (at this rate with Vista they could be dead and buried in less then about 2/3 years) but what comes after ??? what will be the next big thing to replace windows.

I'm interested in your views what will take over Windows whats the future of operating systems it's looking a good future for linux all my mates have switched. I switched about 5 months ago and even thought i got a duel boot linux (kubuntu) and xp i ain't touched xp since i switched to linux lol.

Whats next mac, linux etc whats your views ?????
 thrums
Joined: 7/28/2007
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Posted: 1/3/2008 3:47:49 PM
I think MAC and Linux will both gradually eat into the Windows strangle hold. I have has Linux systems running very well on low spec PCs, that was a few years ago so I am not to up on the latest versions but from what I read they seem to be very good.
At home I have two PCs and two MACs, both PCs are currently dead with hardware problems. They can both be fixed, I just haven't had a need for them but I'll get round to it someday.
The two MACs are a G4 iMac running Tiger and an Intel Duo MAC MINI recently upgraded to Leopard. The G4 just works and only gets rebooted when a software update requires it(or a power outage), the MINI was also solid under Tiger but has some minor problems with Leopard but is still way better than anything running XP. Both MACs are up and running 24/7, the MINI is now my primary computer. When my work laptop expires I intend to replace it with MacBook Pro, probably dual boot with XP for the rare application I need for work purposes.
 edgej
Joined: 11/6/2007
Msg: 3
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Posted: 1/3/2008 10:14:59 PM
you're right about vista being crap, but remember, ms is based on its os. XP was good, and is standard in most government, school, and household communities. Vista was a mistake, but windows, unfortunately, will have another chance to rebuild their os software to XP par.

That being said, Apple and Linux, as well as Solaris may have a chance to take a bite out of the Windows giant. We often forget how big ms is in contemporary IT. It's going to take much more than Vista to fair... remember they're into xbox, cell phones, facebook, msnbc, etc
 masonthehammerstanley
Joined: 12/26/2007
Msg: 4
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Posted: 1/4/2008 6:16:17 PM
short term: darwin (Mac OS X) and linux are gaining marketshare
long term: some free, open source version of unix (such as linux) will ultimately become the world's standard operating system
 opticalnoise
Joined: 10/26/2005
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:34:22 AM
I don't think windows will be dead in 2 or 3 years, that's just simply impossible. Even if Mac/Linux offers an operating system that is half the cost, 3x as versatile, and 2x as easy to use, people will still choose windows for the familiarity and the brand name. Sad but true. In time you will see the market share of each OS continue to change. OS X and linux will continue to gain ground, but they will never completely replace windows. I imagine by 2010 that the market will be 20% Mac, 20% linux, and 60% Windows.
 OTTO BONN
Joined: 4/20/2006
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:42:48 AM
By the time Microsoft rebounds from the Vista disaster and if they EVER can produce an acceptable web browser, it will be too late.

As for people who want to run Windows software on a Mac, they already can. That symbiosis will continue to develop and grow.
 Nice Guys Finish...
Joined: 12/25/2007
Msg: 7
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Posted: 1/5/2008 11:33:02 AM
Some of you seriously think that the juggernaut that is Micro$oft will be coming down soon? I'm just not seeing it. Macs are still too over-priced, Linux is wonderful, but hardly mainstream (check back when HP/Dell mass market Linux PC's), and folks often just go with what they know, fearing drastic change.

As far as the new OS... I have a system dual-booting XP/Vista, and I'm really not seeing a huge problem with Vista. On the other hand, I'm also not seeing any compelling reason to run out and buy it. Regardless of the new kernel, it's basically XP wish a flashier interface and lots of unnecessary, somewhat confusing changes (WTF is up with Explorer and Office 2007 anyways?). The hit or miss on whether your XP software will work on Vista is also an annoyance. As for stability, it seems fine. To be honest, I did remove all the Big Brother features which is part of why I don't mind Vista now.
 ajskydiver
Joined: 9/19/2007
Msg: 8
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Posted: 1/5/2008 4:38:39 PM
XP's launch brought out all of the MS harbingers of death as well. XP was "fisher-price" and too cartoonish & not to mention "slower then 2000." And yet, after gaining manufacturers support and mature drivers, it eventually pushed out 2000. It was also very hardware intensive, especially compared with 2000. And XP's growing pains have been conveniently forgotten with the Vista release...and it's all the same story.

This is exactly what we're all seeing today with Vista. There's no compelling reason to upgrade, it's too hardware intensive, it's pretty but less useful, etc. In 3 years the hardware will catch up and we'll remember XP fondly and wonder what we ever did without Vista.

Sure, Linux may continue to grow - but at it's current rate, it'll take another decade or two to really make an impact on the home PC market...unless a Dell or HP picks it up and pushes it out there for the average family. Of course, MS won't be sitting on their hands and we won't be using Vista as the current, up to date OS...so who knows?

Macs...well, that's a whole different sub-culture of computer users. Mac users look at computers as more than just computers and tools whereas most people just want to surf the web, write letters, and print photos -- all of which they can do easily and cheaply on a typical PC.

Regardless, MS has deep, deep pockets and should never be underestimated. They can lose Billions on a venture to make it succeed.
 opticalnoise
Joined: 10/26/2005
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Posted: 1/6/2008 10:18:39 AM
Let me tell you why Macs are "too expensive"

"Mac" is not just software like Windows or Linux, it's an entire eco system that you have to buy into. You have to buy an Apple computer to run OS X.

If I want to run windows or linux, I can go down to a computer store, buy a bunch of parts and a case and an hour later I have a working machine that can run linux or windows out of the box without any OS hacking.

Once Apple allows OS X to run on any standard clone PC hardware (without hacking, so that anybody can do it), that's when the game will really start to change for them. Then again the advantage to the ecosystem setup is that the OS designer has essentially full control over what hardware is has to deal with which keeps driver overhead low and reduces hardware related system failures.
 lostwords
Joined: 4/25/2005
Msg: 10
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Posted: 1/6/2008 1:55:10 PM
As much as we all complain about Windows and how horrible the O/S is, I don't see it disappear any time soon.

They still have a strangle hold in the business world. How many of our work place don't use Windows?

Linux is great but how many tech support people like to support Linux?? Unless the organization willing to spend the money to retrain their staffs and do a switch over, Windows will still be owning the large computing market
 khellandros
Joined: 12/1/2007
Msg: 11
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Posted: 1/6/2008 2:24:22 PM
Microsoft is working ona OS that is based on virtual machines, think VPC, etc where a core OS is similar to Unix, and a user can bring up any MS based OS, depending on your cup of tea I guess.

MS is not the best at OS's but look at the vast market and multitude of hardware types they choose to cater to.

Give em a chance they'll make it right, and here to SP3 for XP I hope it fixes the last few bugs I come across including PAE and Multi-Core Balanacing...

~Bobby
 kawi-rider
Joined: 6/10/2006
Msg: 12
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Posted: 1/22/2008 3:25:08 PM
The direction of technology is toward more openness and interoperability. That has been the irreversible trend and any entity that tries to control the marketplace or keep its customers in a coral will be marginalized. People expect to be able to work together and they expect their tools to work together. Those that refuse to play nice will be gone.
 rsx11s
Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 13
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Posted: 1/22/2008 6:51:00 PM
The future is some sort of unix variant. There was a day when there were more Amgis than Windows systems; nobody can stay on top of the heap forever. As soon as people can do what they want with unix/linx/bsd they'll switch. The inherant flaws in Windows can never go away, ever.

The replacement for Vista was hinted at today, it's coming out a year early because Vista is such an unmitigated disaster.

Eventually Linux and BSD will converge, but there's allways be different distros. I'm seeing people switch to Linux now I never thought would, ever.

I posit that in under a decade Windows is going to be the exception, not the rule. Linux' growth may be slow, but it's steady, and people aren't switching from Linux to Windows, it's always the other way round. At some point a critical mass will emerge and it would at that point be a good time to short Microsoft.

Dell already sells Linux computers in case you wern't aware.
 casino_dave
Joined: 8/13/2007
Msg: 14
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Posted: 1/22/2008 8:48:30 PM
Well Apple's OS X is BSD based which is I believe based off of Unix, and Linux is as well.

With Apple using Intel CPUs and Linux becoming more popular for various reasons Vista bombed helped that too, I can see a merger as being good for everyone.

Microsoft founders are getting older and will eventually retire or die, I can see the company changing dramatically after that.

Maybe there will be an OS summit and the future of the OS we all will use will merge into one single OS; no more Apple, MS or Linux.

Although I can't see that happening anytime soon if movie and music studios have their way they'll want to control all your data.

Operating systems are so vital now I can't see it being owned by any one company, it should be more of a community or public right to have and control such as government or law.
 Boadica
Joined: 1/15/2008
Msg: 15
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Posted: 1/22/2008 9:03:16 PM
Wow ...the typical windows bashing thread....

Get used to it guys...90% of the worlds OS is MS.......so VISTA is a dud...I dont run it...none of my networks run it.....I am sure MS will fix it. Personally ...i would never run a new OS with out a service pack...too many bugs....unless I had gazillion $$$ yo test it first...

Anyhoo....for you personal puters...yoous guyz can just run what youz whant....and wine about MS...us in the business world...knowz....the supporting MS... =$$$$$

;-)

MLF
 rsx11s
Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 16
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Posted: 1/23/2008 12:22:42 AM
Well Apple's OS X is BSD based which is I believe based off of Unix, and Linux is as well.


Original unix had no tcp/ip networking, just uucp. The Berkely project added tcp/ip and became known as the "Berkely System Distribution" or BSD.

Windows uses the BSD networking code. Actually pretty mich everyone does.


I am sure MS will fix it.


It can't be fixed for architectural reasons. See below.


90% of the worlds OS is MS.


78-80% actually, worldwide, and most of that is pre-installed systems on new computers so the figure is actuall lower and it's dropping. In Japan there's more MAC OSX than Windows.

us in the business world...knowz....the supporting MS... =$


Sure, nobody ever lost moeny fixing broken windows systems, but business is waking up. Microsoft spends bazillions in advertising, pushing windows to business, yet the trend is away from, not to windows, to various flavours of unix, which isn't even advertised let alone heavily.

Morgan Stanley switched to unix a decade ago; serious financial apps have always run on Sun/Solaris and Solaris is free these days as well.

In the essay below "mac" refers to Apples hardware plus their BSD'ish variant of unix -OSX. The same argument applies to any unix system minus the hardware lock-in.


The Windows operating system contains a large number of intentional back doors whose purpose is to allow Microsoft programs such as Word and Excel and Outlook to talk to each other in ways that give them an unfair advantage over the competition. For example, you can make a website that has a button saying "click here to put this into your address book" or "click here to make this your home page". Word can use Excel to make its tables. Powerpoint can use Internet Explorer to find images.

If these program-to-program communication links were aboveboard and documented, then other companies could use them, and, for example, could produce an email program to compete with Outlook or a spreadsheet program to compete with Excel. But Microsoft doesn't want to give competitors a fair chance, so all of these communication channels have to remain secret.

About 99.9% of virus and worm and black-hat tricks use one of the conduits that is in Windows on purpose. And Microsoft is kind of stuck, because if they fix the paths that are allowing the viruses, then they open the software world for competition. They therefore, as a matter of strategy, use PR instead of engineering to solve the problem. And they ask you to buy even more software from them to help keep the malware under control.

Apple, by contrast, is not a software monopoly and doesn't want to be. So there are no intentional back doors in Macintosh systems. There will always be the occasional programming mistake, but (a) they are rare, and (b) they can be fixed quickly without endangering Apple's corporate strategy.

Apple is no saint: they lock customers in with hardware. Their software, which is quite wonderful, runs only on their hardware. And they basically make all of their profit on their hardware.

But Apple's corporate strategy does not require them to have back doors through which viruses can get in, while Microsoft's does. This is why Apple systems will always be vastly more hacker-resistant than Microsoft systems.
 Boadica
Joined: 1/15/2008
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:05:13 AM
thats great...I love MACs

Can you tell me what business apps run on them....we will switch tomorrow

B aka MLF
 rsx11s
Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 18
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Posted: 1/23/2008 10:49:55 AM
Depends in your business. Robert Robriguez makes all his movies on macs, he uses 5 for video, 5 for audio. In my business I use software I wrote. DTP began on mac and is still the primary platform. I hear they run excel and word but never touch that stuff. Serious financial apps I've seen run on Solaris and would port to OSX in a couple of days. You'd spend weeks porting them to Windoze and I'd be prety fearful of say, a stock exhange running on them. Ebay runs on Windows, but they use $20M of Veritas software to make it actually work and in all fairness ebay isn't down as much these days.

It would be interesting for somebody to do a study on lost productivity over say, the last 27 years of time wasted by 1) segment registers in x86 chips and 2) time spent fighting Wintel malware compared to what it would take to port legacy apps to unix/OSX to avoid the fundamentally broken Windows architecture.

What is it you need exactly? And how big is your budget?
 Jujumonkey
Joined: 12/29/2007
Msg: 19
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Posted: 1/23/2008 11:39:40 AM
firstly, xp is not a bad os, it makes difficult tasks very easy with just a double click. yes it's had its flaws but so has every other os in existance. even though linux and mac are also good os's, baring in mind that linux is not the friendliest of os's for beginners and macs lack the software support, windows beats them through good marketing. they cornered the pc market and i say fair play to them, it must have taken a lot of planning and some good marketing tactics. we're now seeing pc's in japan being sold with debian linux already installed, and macs that can run windows, but i don't think its enough. it's not about the best os when it comes to who sells the most, it's about marketing, and windows will always come out on top. look at vista, i was a vista tester through the betas and into the rc's, and yes it was awful, and still isnt perfect, but look what its done for the ram memory industry. 2 years ago a matched pair of 512mb ram sticks was just over 100 pounds, now i can buy 4 gig of ram in a matched pair of 2 gig sticks for 58 pounds. this is a direct result of vista being ram hungry. a quad core cpu for 150 pounds! again, only since vista was created. so i think you have to say that microsoft and the pc industry are pretty much walking hand in hand at the moment and it will take a hell of a lot of effort for any other os to beat that
 rsx11s
Joined: 3/28/2007
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Posted: 1/23/2008 1:11:21 PM

xp is not a bad os


There has never in history been a more vulnerable operating system, ever. These vulnerabilities are built in and can and will never be removed for reasons explained above.


it makes difficult tasks very easy with just a double click


This is irrelevant on a server.


baring in mind that linux is not the friendliest of os's for beginners


I put Linux on a laptop for my 8 year old to use in school. She didn't even notice for 3 months that it wasn't windows. It looks like windows, it acts like windows, the programs just have different names. If you are locked into the mindset of what windoes is supposed to look and act like exactly, then you'll probably notice, but it's close enough an 8 year old can hit the ground running.


macs lack the software support


Call Apple Care. They have wonderful support, unlike Microsoft.


windows beats them through good marketing


Microsoft has to spend a frotune on marketing. Nobody would buy their crap in its merits alone.


windows will always come out on top


Until they don't. It's only a matter of time.


but look what its done for the ram memory industry


Moore's law says this would have happened anyway.

Now add up the time and money spent fixing broken or infected Windows installations worldwide and you can only conclude Windows is the biggest time-waster in the history of computing.
 Boadica
Joined: 1/15/2008
Msg: 21
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Posted: 1/23/2008 6:31:41 PM

Call Apple Care. They have wonderful support, unlike Microsoft.


Wow ...I have actually worked with MS support on occasions ..... granted server support.....and they were great....maybe you could elaborate on your experience....lets not forget thier vast knowledge base and newsgroups

As for business apps....off the shelf apps tend to be easier to support as there is not as much customization...Personally I have found customized applications far more expensive to run due to the support limited to who ever customized it and lack of documentation. I have one client where the app she was running in her stores (retail) was designed by some local programmer you dropped off the face of the earth....leaving her and other clients SOL....I here this happens all the time with alternative applications

My kids need another computer and I was thinking of running linux on one of the older machines collecting dust in my basement...all they really need is open office (which they run now,) Facebook....and oh yes ...MSN

Will MSN run on linux??

There are several ways to secure an XP machine through AD and the use of limited profiles..

This is obviously the old tired MS bashing.

B aka MLF
 rsx11s
Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 22
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Posted: 1/23/2008 9:42:49 PM
Apple Care is cheap as dirt and they're oh so polite and helpful even if you ask them really stupid questions. MS support is expensive and so bad there's jokes about it.

http://www.ajokes.com/jokes/280.html


lets not forget thier vast knowledge base and newsgroups


I keep trying but who can forget MS' impact on Usenet?


leaving her and other clients SOL


This was a Windows app, right? Becuse the barrier to entry (in terms of learning, plus all that visusl garnbage) is lower you tend to see more crud written by flakes in MS-land. There are hundreds if not thousands of unix apps that go back 10, 15, 20 years with a continuous thread of support.


There are several ways to secure an XP machine through AD and the use of limited profiles.


Maybe, but wouldn't it make more sense to use an OS that didn't need this stuff?


This is obviously the old tired MS bashing.


You could say that. Or you could say it's a technical analysis of the merits of various operating systems fro somebody whose worked on the internals of both.

Hey, I don't begudge anybody makeing money off keeping any computer running, and this isn't personal. But the long term future of the OS has MS deprecated; they're already losing market share, a trend that is going to continue.

There are a handful of MSN clients than run under the various flavours of unix, although MSN isn't used that much outside MS-land. Jabber seems to be gaining the most traction. It's what Google adopted and AOL jsut announced support for. Long term MSN is going away to join the ranks of such steller products as "clippy" and "Microsoft BoB".

http://www.news.com/2100-1023-956097.html
http://www.google.com/search?pg=q&fmt=.&q=linux+msn&x=0&y=0


 cooldude
Joined: 4/26/2004
Msg: 23
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Posted: 1/24/2008 12:08:51 AM

90% of the worlds OS is MS


If you include server software its not quite that high. Other software has the lead in that domain.
 Jujumonkey
Joined: 12/29/2007
Msg: 24
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Posted: 1/24/2008 12:31:12 AM

There has never in history been a more vulnerable operating system, ever. These vulnerabilities are built in and can and will never be removed for reasons explained above


windows has over 40,ooo viruses written for it, linux has 5. people think linux is safer because of this. if linux became more popular than windows it would soon have 40,000 viruses written for it to. and please dont say linux is less vunerable to viruses, everything is vunerable and i'm sure the members of the CCC could prove that to you easily.


I put Linux on a laptop for my 8 year old to use in school. She didn't even notice for 3 months that it wasn't windows. It looks like windows, it acts like windows, the programs just have different names. If you are locked into the mindset of what windoes is supposed to look and act like exactly, then you'll probably notice, but it's close enough an 8 year old can hit the ground running


and did this little girl have to install a programme on her linux os without an installer? have to download and compile code and insert it manualy into her system? you fail to mention these things in your pro's and cons debate. why is that?


Call Apple Care. They have wonderful support, unlike Microsoft


i'm sure they are wonderful, but i didnt mean that kind of software support. if you're browsing the internet and stumble across a programme you like the look of can you just download and install on a mac? no, because 9 times out of 10 there is no mac version. can you play all the latest games on your mac like crysis, gears of war, call of duty 4? this is the kind of software support i'm talking about
 Boadica
Joined: 1/15/2008
Msg: 25
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Posted: 1/24/2008 8:32:29 AM

Maybe, but wouldn't it make more sense to use an OS that didn't need this stuff?


so let me see...your daughter runs a root does she???


windows has over 40,ooo viruses written for it, linux has 5


well I havent had a virus infect a network or my home machines in years due, updated AV, patched OSes and disallowing certain attachment through the gateway.

The current threats are combined....and can usually be contained with limited user rights. The threats today are not only OS vulnerabilities...but in applications also

any unpatched OS \ application is vulnerable....doesnt matter on the platform.

The user is the weakest link

B aka MLF
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