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Posted: 1/5/2008 2:05:43 PM | Okay, so the sign says:
Please return your shopping cart to the dock (or whatever it's called). We are not responsible for any mishaps/accidents.
So, does this mean they ARE responsible if the dock is full?! I have no problem returning my cart to the dock, however when the dock is full - the cart is still outside and can potentially damage a car. I was parked right beside the dock today and noted that.
Anyone know the laws concerning that? | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 2:36:41 PM | well, this of coarse is just my opinion, but if the sign says they are not responsible, then it wouldn't matter if the dock was full or empty.
It's one of those things where you can't win, isn't it? | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 2:53:37 PM | | Actually, the sign may or may not have any bearing whatsoever. Simply declaring that one is not responsible does not always make it so. It's more of a way to get people to put their carts away. If any damage was to occur, full dock or not, the final decision would be up to the legal system. But I feel it would weigh heavily against the store if the dock was full. By their sign stating what it does, they take on the responsibility of proving patrons a place to safely park their carts. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 2:58:53 PM | 1) I think they are called corrals. More often than not I see more carts choatically abandoned about the parking lot than in the corrals. Good grief, it's a bit petty to complain about a full corral, and a pleasant heads up to the manager should suffice if it is truly that important to you. The cart can be brought back to or into the store entrance, or left in another spot, like with 2 wheels over the curb in the barkdust around the landscaped peninsulas for escape prevention.
2) I think the sign has to be posted for limiting liability in this litigous obsessed society so that patrons can't sue the establishment for the damage done to parked cars because some person loosed the cart they used without care that they run amok unsupervised or secured---much like children.
3) I am in the habit of snagging the one nearest my car on my way in to the store to reduce chances of my car suffering a shopping cart boo-boo. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:32:24 PM | This is one of those things where without seeing word for word with full punctuation it could be taken either way. What kind of accident can one have with a shopping cart anyway? I think they may just covering their ass' from trolley related incidences(sp?).
However i don't think we should take the trolley's/shopping cart's back anyway because all those guys with cool illuminum vests on won't have a job and i'm for employment :D | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:40:15 PM | it doesn't matter what the sign says...it is their property so they have a certain amount of liability in all cases. certainly if the dock is full their responsibility increases due the fact there is now negligence on their part as well.
don't always believe those signs. just like at a car wash when it says not responsible for damage. if you pay for a service and their equipment damages your car...they ARE responsible.
at least that is the laws in Canada. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:44:01 PM |
Please return your shopping cart to the dock (or whatever it's called). We are not responsible for any mishaps/accidents.
That sign is going to go against them in a lawsuit because by saying "or whatever it's called" they have left it wide open as to what it is the sign refers. They also neglected to sepecify that the accidents and/or mishaps for which they are not responsible are ones involving carts. Clearly they did not run the sign by their legal department. I think Ally McBeal would have a field day with this one. To test the law you could ram a cart full speed into a parked van and then check court records anonymously several months later, see how it all went. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 3:50:08 PM | If this really worries you, sling your shopping trolley in the back of your car.
Over the next few days, drive past the supermarket a lot and, as soon as you spot a trolley-dock with a vacancy, slip it in there.
I have heard that these things make excellent barbecues, by the way. [Do Not Try This At Home!!] | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 4:19:08 PM |
What kind of accident can one have with a shopping cart anyway?
lmao I truly don't know! I just saw the sign and wondered! But apparently I'm complaining, so I'll shut up now good grief  | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:36:45 PM |
So, does this mean they ARE responsible if the dock is full?! I have no problem returning my cart to the dock, however when the dock is full - the cart is still outside and can potentially damage a car. I was parked right beside the dock today and noted that.
Anyone know the laws concerning that?
Laws are different from state to state, but generally if the store makes an effort to gather the carts in the parking lot on a regular basis, they can make the case that they have done their duty and any damage caused by their carts are not their problem and could not have been prevented.
Now if the store never collects their carts and you can document it, you might have a case. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:39:12 PM |
Actually, the sign may or may not have any bearing whatsoever. Simply declaring that one is not responsible does not always make it so.
Businesses put all kinds of signs up to avoid lawsuits. Not because it provides them protection, but because the public thinks it does. Like those signs on the backs of dump trucks that say they are not responsible for objects coming from the road. That would NEVER hold up in court as they are required to secure their load.  | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 5:45:45 PM | | Park it and leave if it's full. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 6:28:17 PM | I do not know the law, but some decency would do... being it somewhere close to where it should be, it is not so hard.
Now, if you leave YOUR cart full of grocery, I'll run with it. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 7:22:13 PM |
Park it and leave if it's full.
I'm not asking what to do lol, I'm just curious about the laws, if any. It's only a curiosity - not a crusade folks lol. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 9:06:57 PM | No one ever expected someone to sue over hot coffee and win, but it has happened. Now every cup of joe says, Caution contents are Hot! - like Hello, did the recipient request hot coffee or what? Should the cup say, blow till yer blue cause the coffee is supposed to be hot stupid?
We should all keep up with our auto insurance payments and / or park a mile from the store, in the boondocks, where any self respecting shopping cart would Not dare go.
and Remember: Shopping Carts do not damage cars, People do. I'm going back to reloading shotgun shells now.... | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 10:05:35 PM | | Errr...am I the only one who simply rolls the cart up about three feet from my bumper, turns the wheels on the cart sideways so that it wont slide back and hit MY car and runs off quickly, hoping no one will notice? Just wondering... | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 4:43:57 AM |
No one ever expected someone to sue over hot coffee and win, but it has happened. Now every cup of joe says, Caution contents are Hot! - like Hello, did the recipient request hot coffee or what? Should the cup say, blow till yer blue cause the coffee is supposed to be hot stupid?
The lady who won that case won because she proved that McDonald's had a long history of customer complaints about their coffee being too hot and their lids not being very secure. I would have had a hard time voting against hot coffee, but she won basically because it was well documented they had a problem and chose to do nothing about it. Btw, the original verdict payout was one day's worth of profit from coffee sales, but it was later reduced by a judge. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 5:43:50 AM | With the plastic fenders on most cars nowadays, it is unlikely that a shopping cart could do much damage if it were to, say, slip down a slight incline and hit your car. But they are heavy enough that they could leave quite a dent in the side of your car.
Paul makes a very valid point when he says that - not a quote - if the cart is on the grocery store's property the company would still be held accountable if there were a mishap involving one of their carts.
Now if only we could convince those who take the cart home with them to return them to the store instead of dumping them in the river, etc. But that is another topic altogether! | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 8:52:36 AM | Then there is also the fact, that the cart owner is usually not the property owner.
A shopping center is usually rented space, and the grocery chain is only legally responsible for what happens inside of the building, and has liability insurance for there only.
So the landlord is the property owner and not the cart owner. Hmmmmm
So it would probably more likely be the landlord, not the shop liable for any damage from the carts. 
So that might explain the laziness about getting the carts back into the store.
They only retrieve them when they have no more inside for the consumer to fill up with their product. In that case it is lost sales, so worth them collecting the carts. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 10:26:45 AM |
Errr...am I the only one who simply rolls the cart up about three feet from my bumper, turns the wheels on the cart sideways so that it wont slide back and hit MY car and runs off quickly, hoping no one will notice? Just wondering...
Nahuh, i do the push and run quite frequently and watch in hysterics as passers by try dodging for their lives.. no really!
Now if only we could convince those who take the cart home with them to return them to the store instead of dumping them in the river, etc. But that is another topic altogether!
This problem has already been solved which is the most boring thing ever 'cause i can't steal trolleys while drunk anymore. The wheels lock when you get a certain distance from the store.. dull huh?! | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 11:28:25 AM |
Errr...am I the only one who simply rolls the cart up about three feet from my bumper, turns the wheels on the cart sideways so that it wont slide back and hit MY car and runs off quickly, hoping no one will notice? Just wondering...
Nahuh, i do the push and run quite frequently and watch in hysterics as passers by try dodging for their lives.. no really!
Now thats what Im talkin' about, Keepin' it real.
Ever make bets with passengers as to whether said cart causes monetary or bodily damage before you can get out of the parking lot? | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 1:53:21 PM | Nah, when you laugh and point at people being hurt it tends to lead to you getting the blame :(
I do however make bets on how many people i can hit with my trolley instore, or what random things i can put in their trolley's.
But this is not funny and very immature and off topic so ima shut up and go.
ps.. the sign is nearly as stupid as the may contain nuts warning on nuts.< on topic look see impressive wow *goes* | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 4:06:31 PM |
This problem has already been solved which is the most boring thing ever 'cause i can't steal trolleys while drunk anymore. The wheels lock when you get a certain distance from the store.. dull huh?!
I've been dying to try that just to see if it really does work!! Haha! | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 6:36:13 PM |
The lady who won that case won because she proved that McDonald's had a long history of customer complaints about their coffee being too hot and their lids not being very secure.
The lady was stupid and placed it between her legs knowing the coffee was HOT...
I would have had a hard time voting against hot coffee, but she won basically because it was well documented they had a problem and chose to do nothing about it.
DUH...coffee is supposed to be served hot... | |
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