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Posted: 1/19/2008 12:43:34 AM | I did a thread search for this, and got no results. I am hoping it is not a redundant subject. 
I recently discovered- almost by accident- a musical group called "Globus". I should probably say now that most people have heard their work, but not heard of them. But upon encountering a musical style that integrates classical/techno/pop/rock, I started digging into other, similar groups or recordings.
I have yet to see this style really take off, even with groups like Yellowcard and Metallica integrating classical elements into some of their work. The question I offer for discussion is thus:
What genres lend themselves to be integrated with classical music- on that note, which genres/styles would not mesh well with classical?
What band would other music aficionados like to see integrate orchestral pieces into their repertoire?
Is this a step forward for the industry at large, a step back, or something else entirely? | |
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Posted: 1/20/2008 8:29:33 AM | | Did you know Frank Zappa did a piece for the London Symphony Orchestra? Written and arranged by Zappa. | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 4:34:46 PM | | i would love to see more classical genres arise.i think more bands would go down this route if it made fiscal sense.radiohead would be a wonderfull compliment to a symphony. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 4:14:45 AM | | Funny you should mention this I bought this DVD Audio disc of Deep Purple it was done on september 24 , 1967 played at the Royal Albert Hall it was composed by Ian Lord they played with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Malcolm Arnold. It was considered an experiment that some loved others hated it. I think it is awesome and I believe its the first melding of an orchestra and heavy rock band. as far as I know. I have three more recordings of strickly symphonic music of some high profile rock bands . Yes, Pink Floyd , and Genesis. The Genesis CD is called we know what we Like , and is done with the London Sympony Orchestra with David Palmer conducting Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull plays on it for one song. Yes also uses the same orchestra and composer the music is engineered by Alan Parsons. Pink Floyd's Cd is called Us and them, Again the London philharmonic but conducted by Peter Scholes. They are all wonderful CD's however the Deep Purple on 5.1 surround is my favorite they kinda do two seperate movements then the last movement they seem to meld together for a awesome finish. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2008 8:11:42 AM | Try listening to Apocalyptica. Great stuff!  | |
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Posted: 1/28/2008 7:39:36 PM | which genres/styles would not mesh well with classical?
I know plenty of people think that metal is the furthest thing from classicals, yet if you examine the music composition and structure of symphonic metal and progressive metal - they're probably the genre closest to classical music. You'll have hell of a time finding other genres with music as melodic (as well as driving). Which genre would not mesh well with classicals? The degree of compatibility you get from crossovering genres largely depends on the limits of your imagination. If you're creative enough, anything is do-able.
That said, I'm actually holding a music contest on genre crossovers (with fabulous prize!). If there are any FL users here who are interested, email me for a link.
^^^like above said, listen to Apocalyptica. One of my two favorite bands (other than Opeth). If you want to go further, check out Nightwish and Leaves Eyes. You will not be disappointed. | |
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Posted: 1/28/2008 9:13:10 PM | Nightwish was mentioned but if you want the more symphonic Nightwish I recomend the older Nightwish with tarja.
The new stuff with Anette is more Rock not AS symphonic but still reallly good in my oppinion.
Also check out Epica, I would also say some Within Temptation but then again people could argue that. I just find Sharon Den Adel's voice to have a bit of a symphonic feel to it especially in the song Ice Queen, one of my all time favourite vocalists | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 2:57:01 PM | | I have to check out the music you folks are refering to but does it involve a live orchestra or is it an electronic orchestra(synthesized).? | |
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Posted: 1/29/2008 3:43:44 PM | A lot of 'classic rock' used orchestras and some of it was spectacular. "Moonage Daydream" for instance.
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Posted: 1/30/2008 7:06:54 AM | | just spent the lasy hour listening to apocalyptica..all i have to say is thank you for introducing me to them.absalutely brilliant.does anyone know who the drummer is that plays with the sometimes is?he is incredible.ok off to check out nightwish.thanks again. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 1:54:24 PM | | Miko Siren? He's the drummer for the album apocalyptica (2005) album and onwards. Amazing, isn't he? The drum work on "Fisheye" totally blew me away!! I have so much respect for this band. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 2:00:35 PM | Miko Siren? He's the drummer for the album apocalyptica (2005) album and onwards. Amazing, isn't he? The drum work on "Fisheye" totally blew me away!! I have so much respect for this band.
i would go as far as to say that i have never seen a better drummer.not just in his prowess but his indurance.absalutely amazing.this is not to take anything away from the rest of the band,they are all fine artists. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2008 1:53:36 AM | I'm suprised no one has mentioned The Trans Siberian Orchestra.
Also there is Therion. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2008 3:10:50 PM | I haven't heard the Trans Siberian Orchestra yet, but what do you guys think of DreamTheater? That's symphonic alright. Well, maybe not strictly speaking, but.
I don't normally like the genre, but dammit I have to take these guys seriously. Serious, serious musos. | |
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Posted: 3/1/2008 12:00:41 PM | oh dear youve done it now, metal happens to be one of my biggest loves and i cant help but share it (forcefully if nessisery :D) with everyone else
right *cracks fingers*
hmmm, symphonic bands, lets see, might be some power metal mixed in here...they often overlap
sonata arctica - one of my fav bands and just breath taking live...seriously
Nightwish - have some good songs but are a bit, i dunno, just not quite there, a better version of them is:
within temptation
Fairly land
Rhapsody - oldies are the best :P
stratovarius
scorpions 'moment of glory' album - re-recroded hits with an epic orchestral backing
luca turilli - particularly demonheart track
fantasia - not a huge fan but tehy have their charm
dragonland
dark moor
blind guardian
APOCALYPTICA - some one mentioned above, more classical than symphic but very awsome
nocturnal rites- grand illusion album good starting place
masterplan
kamelot - i find their stuff to be completly hit or miss but when i find a track i like, i love it :D
helloween - particularly 'if i could fly' track
edguy - awsome band, not sure if they belong in this list tho...probably not :P
battlelore
battleheart
Folk metal also can be called vicking metal (dont mock it till youve heard it)
finntroll
Eluveite - freakin awsome band...check out spirit album
Turisas
Ensiferum
elvenking
moonsorrow - my least favourate of the list but worth a try | |
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Posted: 3/1/2008 8:26:45 PM | | This is a lot of generic crap. I would take this list with a grain of salt - some bands are good, but most of it is sub-par neoclassical heavy metal marketed towards 17-year-old World of Warcraft players who will live in their mother's basement until they turn 30! | |
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Posted: 3/2/2008 1:33:40 AM |
What band would other music aficionados like to see integrate orchestral pieces into their repertoire? For the longest time, at least from high school in the 70's, the orchestral 'tribute band' was the 101 Strings. One standard joke was "The 101 Strings play the Rolling Stones, and the Rolling Stones lose" Okay, if you want to be serious, staccato rhythms would be ill-fitting but sweeping synth pieces like Gary Wright's Dreamweaver could. That said, I found myself really irritated, much more than I should I guess, with the out-of-context musical appropriations in the movie Moulin Rouge. What genres lend themselves to be integrated with classical music- on that note, which genres/styles would not mesh well with classical?
In my crumbled opinion, the best example of the two combined - well - is the album (a google search tells me it has been released on CD) Procol Harum Live With The Edmonton Symphony Orchestra from 1971. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 1:48:04 AM | "Did you know Frank Zappa did a piece for the London Symphony Orchestra?"
Zappa did quite a bit of good work like that, and I'm glad he's remembered. I hear him on radio programs dedicated to "Prog Rock," which I guess means "progressive" rock. That seems to include Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Jazz-Fusion.
"What genres lend themselves to be integrated with classical music-"
Probably too many to think of. As you know, the Classical repertoire now includes Scott Joplin, Duke Ellington, the Gershwyns, Lennon/McCartney, Jimi Hendrix.
"…on that note, which genres/styles would not mesh well with classical?"
Hip-Hop. Variations on Muddaf*kka. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 5:14:59 AM | All I have to say about your post is the Folk Metal section. Although a lot of Folk is considered Viking Metal....Viking Metal in its own right is a genre in itself.
I.E. Amon Amarth probably being the most well known band.
Now onto the Folk Metal, you forgot to mention.
KORPIKLAANI!!!!
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Tyr is headlining this years Paganfest, plenty of Folk/Viking Metal at this festival.
Everyone interested should look them up.
Oh...and Windir is an amazing Black Metal band if anyone is interested in that. | |
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Posted: 3/4/2008 6:01:52 AM |
I have yet to see this style really take off, even with groups like Yellowcard and Metallica integrating classical elements into some of their work. The question I offer for discussion is thus:
What genres lend themselves to be integrated with classical music- on that note, which genres/styles would not mesh well with classical?
What band would other music aficionados like to see integrate orchestral pieces into their repertoire?
Is this a step forward for the industry at large, a step back, or something else entirely?
Any genre can be mashed with any other genre as long as it is done in shuch a creative way
that is sounds acoustically pleasing... Anthing is really possible, It will never hit
mainstream but that's just a different story...
As far as what I want to hear bands producing I think I would leave that into the hands of
the artist since not every band out there would be able to pull such things off...
Yous ask for an opinion on weather or not this is a step forward or back for the industry and as far as my opinion goes I think it's a way for the industry to try and produce
something... There is only so many notes to be played on a musical score and the search
for new ideas has begun. We're getting a lot of experimentation happing and everything has something to offer and be integrated....
Oh just I don't know if they'd fit in about where you were headed but check out:
Secret Chiefs 3 | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 7:15:52 AM | NIGHTWISH,a Finnish Operetic/Symphonic metal band with female singer TARJA at the helm!Fantastic! | |
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Posted: 3/7/2008 3:35:34 PM | | Buddy Holly did a piece back in the 60's is one of the earliest I can recall. If I memory serves me correctly, Queen, Pink Floyd and YES have done so in the Rock genre, Jean Michele Jarre in Jazz fusion and more than a few Country artists have also. In every decade since the 60's, there has been at least a few artist that have used Classical undertones in some of their work, usually with phenomenal results. Myself, I love it when they can pull it off. It adds a depth to the music that is very difficult to produce with any other type of instruments. As for the direction, I would have to say forward, absolutely. Mixing Classical with any of today's music is a difficult task. Sure anyone can throw it in there, but to make it fit properly and to flow smoothly is no easy feat. My hat is off to anyone who can do this! | |
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Posted: 3/7/2008 10:29:13 PM | | If anyone can do it, Yngwie Malmsteen can do it. But the guy's so damn literal when it comes to fusing classical and metal. It's almost as though he writes bad classical music for electric guitar. And Kornbluth is right. Hip hop and classical are like bananas and fish. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2008 11:08:41 PM | ..
Red sparrowes,Explosions in the sky, broken social scene, m83,I am robot, sigur ros, radiohead I mean all of them implement instrumental amazingness! | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 4:00:40 AM |
passionandsong on 1/30/2008 2:00:35 PM: Miko Siren? He's the drummer for the album apocalyptica (2005) album and onwards. Amazing, isn't he? The drum work on "Fisheye" totally blew me away!! I have so much respect for this band.
i would go as far as to say that i have never seen a better drummer.not just in his prowess but his indurance.absalutely amazing.this is not to take anything away from the rest of the band,they are all fine artists.
I really really have to disagree here. While I love Apocalyptica like none-other, I think you are overstating him. He is a good drummer, but nothing amazing. He does a good job with his minimalistic kit, but that's about all. Check out Mike Portnoy for an amazing drummer | |
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